The bible is a fairy tale!

[MHz]

I was brought up going to Cathlic school and getting my finger whacked every time I said the wrong thing.

What passage did they use to justify that treatment? and lacking one why did you not protest?
Are you expecting to get them slapped on this thread? (virtually)

I had to study the bible everyday and the more I had to read it the more it sounded like a fairy tale. I mean....

Do the same words mean the same thing if you read it today?

Adam & Eve and a serpent? come on, get real, even as a kid I did not believe this.

Perhaps if you did a study on what Angels can appear as you might not be so overwhelmed by page 6 of chapter 1 in book 1/66.
2Ki:19:35:
And it came to pass that night,
that the angel of the LORD went out,
and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand:
and when they arose early in the morning, behold,
they were all dead corpses.

Revelation has 4 fallen ones (buried in the earth) that can manifest into an army of 200,000,000. The list goes on but why would you think speech would be so impossible.
The Book of Enoch has one fallen angel as being 3,000 ahn tall. Using the current conversion for that unit it works out to about 2 1/2 mi. tall

The great flood and the parting of the seas? hmmm.... maybe I'm not sooooo sure about this one.

Since the decline of the ice-age the Ocean levels have risen over 400ft. The God aspect of water can be narrowed down to could God have the land masses receive 21ft of rain in a period of 40 days along with no run-off for 150 days.

Fact is, in the olden days the Roman Catholics had to control the public or there would have been anarchy. Imagine if there were no consequences to your actions. So just as a child gets told "wait till your father gets home" so do adults get told by their religious leaders in order to put the fear of god into them. For adults it is "wait until you meet your almighty father". Very much the same way we control our young ones.

God fully expects things to be messed up during 'this pause'. That is the whole point of GRACE. The teachers of Christ have a mandate leave a warning, the Christian teaching of today has the Church also in charge of punishment, you cannot find that teaching anyplace in the NT. It would take you a few days to skim over the texts of the NT (without Revelation). If you last round with the NT was an RCC school quite a few decades ago you might want to do a refresher for yourself to verify you old beliefs are even mentioned, let alone supported in today's climate. If you were being fed lies back then then the odd are they are still teaching them today. The other denominations had their own ways of corporal law masquerading as .civil society. Ever see any pedophile priests getting their fingers 'slapped'?

I do believe in a higher power, but I believe we are all gods in our own right. We are part of the whole and when we pass our energy re-joins the whole, so therefore we are part of the energy that makes up god. The best way I can express a comparison is to compare it to the human brain, it is one single entity but it is made up of millions of separate cells making up the whole.

You could also donate your dead body to the Polar Bears, that makes you part of them in a way. What are your actual plans? (saving a special spot, grave or urn, or be cremated and scattered to the winds (if that can even be done in a crowded neighborhood)

We are all one and interconnected, what you do to others will certainly come back to you in the end.

The elite seem to think they are immune to that aspect of life and that wealth stays with the same families generation after generation would seem to support that. None of they problems they cause for society ever come back to them.

 

[Goober]

What the **** is a nome?

Isn't that in Alaska - Sarah Palin would know.

 

[Cliffy]

The elite seem to think they are immune to that aspect of life and that wealth stays with the same families generation after generation would seem to support that. None of they problems they cause for society ever come back to them.

If there is karma, they might be reborn as a bag lady living on the streets of Montreal. Although you may not believe in reincarnation, there are still a few references in the bible that various popes missed when they were purging them. I could reference some of them if you are interested.

What the **** is a nome?

It must be a bitch to wake up in his head. Such nastiness so early in the morning.

 

[Goober]

If there is karma, they might be reborn as a bag lady living on the streets of Montreal. Although you may not believe in reincarnation, there are still a few references in the bible that various popes missed when they were purging them. I could reference some of them if you are interested.


It must be a bitch to wake up in his head. Such nastiness so early in the morning.

I am interested Cliffy.

 

[Cliffy]

I am interested Cliffy.

[FONT=&quot]Although, in our culture and religion little is said or taught about reincarnation, there are references to it in the Bible. In the Old Testament in Malachi 4:14 the return of Elijah is prophesied. In Matthew 11:11 - 15 and 17: 10 - 13 Jesus reveals to his disciples that Elijah has returned in the person of John the Baptist. In John 9:1 - 9 we read: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“As Jesus passed by he saw a man who was blind from birth, and his disciples asked him saying ‘Master, who did sin, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?’ and Jesus answered ‘neither hath this man sinned nor has his parents but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.’” [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Reincarnation was a common belief two thousand years ago, which would explain why they asked if the man had sinned. How else could he be blind from birth unless he had sinned in a previous life? In John 3:13 Jesus said, “no man hath ascended to heaven but he came down from heaven”, clearly stating the existence of life before physical birth. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Many of the early Christian scholars wrote about reincarnation. About AD 553 the Emperor Justinian repressed reincarnation for purely political reasons. Today a few references remain, like Jeremiah 1:5, Proverbs 8:22 - 31, Wisdom 8:19 - 20 (in the catholic version only), Ephesians 1:4 and John 17:5. [/FONT]

 

[petros]

Isn't that in Alaska - Sarah Palin would know.

Would she?

 

[Goober]

Would she?

I stand corrected - she probably would not - But I can almost hear in the wind "I can see Gnome from here".

 

[YukonJack]

I hang my head in shame! I misspelled "nom de plume"!

Horror of Horrors!

And those who could not say, write or pronounce a single word in any language other than their mother tongue that so frequently and regularly abuse pointed out this horrible MISCREANCY.

I bow my head in shame!

 

[YukonJack]

lone wolf, with a decent pair of binoculars and especially if you stand on a two foot stool you can see Russia from Alaska and vice versa.

 

[lone wolf]

lone wolf, with a decent pair of binoculars and especially if you stand on a two foot stool you can see Russia from Alaska and vice versa.

Russia ... not Japan

 

[Dexter Sinister]

lone wolf, with a decent pair of binoculars and especially if you stand on a two foot stool you can see Russia from Alaska and vice versa.

Sort of. You can't see the Russian mainland from the Alaskan mainland, you have to be on Little Diomede Island, which is in American territory, and then you can see Big Diomede Island about 4 km away, in Russian territory. From the highest elevation on Little Diomede (about 280 meters) on a clear day you can see the Russian mainland about 50 km away, but it's pretty close to the limit of visibility. You're also looking into the future; BIg Diomede Island is across the International Date Line, it's tomorrow there.

 

[petros]

You can see Russia right inside Alaska. You'll find people who speak Russian, go to Russian churches and eat Russian and buy their goods from Russia in their little Russian villages strung through out Aluetians..

Russian eskimos....who woulda thunk it?

 

[Chiliagon]

we need to bring in CSI Jerusalem!

(start theme MUSIC!) YEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!.... WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!!..

 

[YukonJack]

Dexter Sinister, that is exactly what Sarah Palin was referring to, until the maimed scream media twisted her words totally out of context, and a bimbo tried to make a name for herself by doing an impression (admittedly a good one) of her.

 

[Machjo]

I remember going to Catechism as a kid and questioning the teacher on the resurrection of Christ. If he did rise literally, physically and corporally into heaven, then that brings up a number of legitimate questions such as how quickly, at what rate of ascent, at what angle, in what direction, for how long, etc. After all, if he'd ascended physically then he'd have to be at a particular 3-dimensional coordinate the map.

Of course in primary school I hadn't quite worded it that way, but the basic gist of it was the same, that if his ascent were literal he must be at a particular point. I don't remember the details of the teacher's answer, but I do remember she'd shrugged it off somehow. Later in high school I was goin ot private catechism and again the same topic. That ime, I did bring up the whole scientific issue of coordinates. The teacher said it was a matter of faith.

OK, but if his ascent is a matter of Faith, then whether it's a literal or metaphorical ascent should be a matter of Faith too, right? Yet the teacher insisted on playing both sides of the coin by insisting that it was indeed a literal ascent but that what happened after that was a matter of Faith, but that Jesus was certainly not floating somewhere in space right now. So she speculated that after the ascent, he'd disappeared. If that's the cae, then why all that work for nothing when he could have just disappeared from the start?

That was just one of my myriad questions that irked the teacher to no end.

In the end, I must conclude that much of the Bible text is more symbolic than literal. Otherwise a rational mind just could not accept it. Just read the story of Adam and Eve; if it's intended literally, even a half-educated child could see through the logical flaws in it. Looking at it that way, it would be preferable to reject the Bible altogether than to insist on some literal interpretation of it.

 

[petros]

Just read the story of Adam and Eve

I did and noticed that Adam and Eve had conversations with God without having a bible or religion tell them how to do it.

 

[Robert 1]

The Bible does sound like a fairy tale until we take a second and different look at some of the material it contains. For example, the exegesis for the 2nd and 3rd chapters of Genesis causes nervousness, especially among mystics. Why? Because the real sin Adam and Eve committed was anal sex--the mystery Saint Augustine almost solved 1600 years ago. (He thought their sin was normal penile/vaginal sex.)

One need not have any beliefs whatsoever to appreciate history and human psychology. For more information google "WikiAnswers-What is wrong with Robert Hagedorn's Blogs"

 

[VanIsle]

You are entitled to believe what ever you wish. However you are not entitled to force your beliefs/doctrines on the rest of us as most fundies would and indeed the RCs did and muslims still do, murdering anyone that disagreed with them.

You are right! We are entitled to believe what we will. Why is it that when Christians talk about their religious views and beliefs, we are supposedly forcing them on the "rest" of you, yet you freely voiced your opinion and beliefs without any of us suggesting you did not have the right to do so. Some of us take offence to the things we believe in being called "fairy tales" since those of you who claim them to be such, do not know anymore than I do if they are or they are not. Many religions have made grave errors and done horrific things in the name of religion. Religion is just one source of grave errors and horrific things. Just as you and others say you do not believe in God or the bible, I have the right to say I do. Just because I believe does not mean I am asking you to.

 

[lone wolf]

Many religions aren't the right one....

 

[Spade]

Many religions aren't the right one....

May I amend your observation?

"No religion is the right one!'