The Forged Origins of The New Testament

Cliffy
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What the Church doesn't want you to know
It has often been emphasised that Christianity is unlike any other religion, for it stands or falls by certain events which are alleged to have occurred during a short period of time some 20 centuries ago. Those stories are presented in the New Testament, and as new evidence is revealed it will become clear that they do not represent historical realities. The Church agrees, saying: "Our documentary sources of knowledge about the origins of Christianity and its earliest development are chiefly the New Testament Scriptures, the authenticity of which we must, to a great extent, take for granted." (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. iii, p. 712.)

Foto: Alexander Schick © -- mit freundlicher Genehmigung
von St. Catherine Monastery / Sinai (--)

The Church makes extraordinary admissions about its New Testament. For example, when discussing the origin of those writings, "the most distinguished body of academic opinion ever assembled" (Catholic Encyclopedias, Preface) admits that the Gospels "do not go back to the first century of the Christian era" (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. vi, p. 137, pp. 655-6). This statement conflicts with priesthood assertions that the earliest Gospels were progressively written during the decades following the death of the Gospel Jesus Christ. In a remarkable aside, the Church further admits that "the earliest of the extant manuscripts [of the New Testament], it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD" (Catholic Encyclopedia, op. cit., pp. 656-7). That is some 350 years after the time the Church claims that a Jesus Christ walked the sands of Palestine, and here the true story of Christian origins slips into one of the biggest black holes in history. There is, however, a reason why there were no New Testaments until the fourth century: they were not written until then, and here we find evidence of the greatest misrepresentation of all time.

for the whole article (it is long but well documented):

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What most Protestants don't want to admit is that it was the catholic church that gave them the bible. The King James version is a plagiarized version of the catholic bible so this revelation affects all of christianity and believers that the bible is the holy word of god.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

I have never read the Quran or the writings of Bahá'u'lláh. I have no interest in reading them. I have my own path to follow. I am just asking you to look at other writings because you are so ridgid in your beliefs and condemning of others that you do not understand. I am asking you to open up your mind to the possibility that others may be right too. You are not the only person on earth that is on a path. Others may be on the right path for them.

hypocrite much?
 
selin
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Christianity also conflicts with itself.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

hypocrite much?

If you are going to believe in something, at least look into whether or not it has validity. Information presented is only a scratch of the surface of what I have learned over the years that lead me away from the church. The bible is pure fabrication and the church fabricated it purely for political reasons.

Most christians will not read the article because they will not read anything that disputes the validity of their belief. So I don't expect them to. You obviously didn't, so your belief is unshaken. I posted this more specifically for those like MHz and herald who proselytizer their beliefs as if they are guardians of truth, when nothing could be farther from the truth. You don't proselytize so I wasn't aiming it at people like you.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by selinView Post

Christianity also conflicts with itself.

All religions have conflicting factions. That is because all people have different ways of perceiving the divine and different needs.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

If you are going to believe in something, at least look into whether or not it has validity. Information presented is only a scratch of the surface of what I have learned over the years that lead me away from the church. The bible is pure fabrication and the church fabricated it purely for political reasons.

Most christians will not read the article because they will not read anything that disputes the validity of their belief. So I don't expect them to. You obviously didn't, so your belief is unshaken. I posted this more specifically for those like MHz and herald who proselytizer their beliefs as if they are guardians of truth, when nothing could be farther from the truth. You don't proselytize so I wasn't aiming it at people like you.


The assumptions you make are astounding.
 
selin
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

The assumptions you make are astounding.

instead of attacking, just oppose his ideas presenting your sensible ideas.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by selinView Post

instead of attacking, just oppose his ideas presenting your sensible ideas.

and I would waste that much time on a fanatic because..........?
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

and I would waste that much time on a fanatic because..........?

...because just denying without reason is unjustified denial?
 
selin
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

and I would waste that much time on a fanatic because..........?

but we also would like to know why he is wrong according to you. what he talks about sounds sensible although he considers my religion as contradictory too.
 
L Gilbert
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and I would waste that much time on a fanatic because..........?

You are here posting in this thread aren't you?
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

...because just denying without reason is unjustified denial?


Here's the thing LW. Cliffy has proven over and over again that he is not interested in a "Christians" perspective of anything. He has repeatedly degraded those that do not believe what he believes. He does EXACTLY what he purports to dislike about what others do, namely proselytize.
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

What the Church doesn't want you to know
It has often been emphasised that Christianity is unlike any other religion, for it stands or falls by certain events which are alleged to have occurred during a short period of time some 20 centuries ago. Those stories are presented in the New Testament, and as new evidence is revealed it will become clear that they do not represent historical realities. The Church agrees, saying: "Our documentary sources of knowledge about the origins of Christianity and its earliest development are chiefly the New Testament Scriptures, the authenticity of which we must, to a great extent, take for granted." (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. iii, p. 712.)

Foto: Alexander Schick © Bibelausstellung mit freundlicher Genehmigung
von St. Catherine Monastery / Sinai (Source)
The Church makes extraordinary admissions about its New Testament. For example, when discussing the origin of those writings, "the most distinguished body of academic opinion ever assembled" (Catholic Encyclopedias, Preface) admits that the Gospels "do not go back to the first century of the Christian era" (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. vi,...

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Big shock. lol It's just more of the same: stating things as fact without having any supporting evidence. Misguided and mistaken faith.
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Here's the thing LW. Cliffy has proven over and over again that he is not interested in a "Christians" perspective of anything. He has repeatedly degraded those that do not believe what he believes. He does EXACTLY what he purports to dislike about what others do, namely proselytize.

The best thing to shut proselytizers up is evidence that contradicts what they say. Calling them names is just calling them names.
 
Spade
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To me, any religion worth its salt would be founded on a code of behaviour rather than a codex.
 
eh1eh
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I'd be a Christian if it weren't for the Bible. It messes up any chance of ever understanding the creator. I put my bible on the shelf with works from Marx and Lenin when I started school and took science class. Education helped me realize that whoever or whatever the creator is or was, was not explained in that book because humans don't really know. I remain waiting for proof.
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Here's the thing LW. Cliffy has proven over and over again that he is not interested in a "Christians" perspective of anything. He has repeatedly degraded those that do not believe what he believes. He does EXACTLY what he purports to dislike about what others do, namely proselytize.

Perhaps Christian perspective would be more appealing if it didn't fall in with the I-am-better-than-you syndrome of almost all religion. Faith is supposed to be comforting - not empowering.
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

To me, any religion worth its salt would be founded on a code of behaviour rather than a codex.

Logic doesn't work on matters of faith. lol
 
El Barto
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Quote: Originally Posted by selinView Post

instead of attacking, just oppose his ideas presenting your sensible ideas.

That would be asking for a miracle
 
eh1eh
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Umm, ya, well.

 
El Barto
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

...because just denying without reason is unjustified denial?

lol''''''
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

Umm, ya, well.

I needed support from a mentally disturbed character on a tv show? lol
 
eh1eh
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Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

I needed support from a mentally disturbed character on a tv show? lol


Of course not. He just sums it up so well.
 
El Barto
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Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

Umm, ya, well.

Saved ............
 
Ron in Regina
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I always find it amazing in that the bulk of the Threads started in the
subforum of "Christian Discussion" are started by Atheists....and the
ones that aren't are soon filled with posts by Atheists who quickly
appear for reasons that are beyond me.
 
eh1eh
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

I always find it amazing in that the bulk of the Threads started in the
subforum of "Christian Discussion" are started by Atheists....and the
ones that aren't are soon filled with posts by Atheists who quickly
appear for reasons that are beyond me.

It's explained in the bible.
 
Ron in Regina
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I thought it was more of a "Moths to a flame" sort of thing.
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

Of course not. He just sums it up so well.

lol So you are saying I post boring things?
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

I always find it amazing in that the bulk of the Threads started in the
subforum of "Christian Discussion" are started by Atheists....and the
ones that aren't are soon filled with posts by Atheists who quickly
appear for reasons that are beyond me.

lol Well, in what other forum would you have had Cliffy post his OP in?

It's called "obsession", Ron.
 
El Barto
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Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

it's explained in the bible.

rotflmffao
 

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