Younger Generation - Dumb or Stupid or Both- Yes or No


Tonington
#61
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

How do you choose when you're brainwashed?

How did you choose when you were brainwashed?
 
petros
#62
Brainwashed by what? 2 channels of black and white TV?
 
lone wolf
#63
You tried watching both of 'em at the same time?

Oop... Sorry. That would be a family reunion
 
petros
#64
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

You tried watching both of 'em at the same time?

Oop... Sorry. That would be a family reunion

Yeah then we'd really tempt the fate of mom and play with our ex-box in the livingroom. One day that ex-box was a castle, the next it was a firehall.
 
Tonington
#65
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Brainwashed by what? 2 channels of black and white TV?

How many television stations did the Nazis run?
 
Goober
#66
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Yeah then we'd really tempt the fate of mom and play with our ex-box in the livingroom. One day that ex-box was a castle, the next it was a firehall.

Today they have so many choices compared to what we had growing up - As the old saying goes - we made our own fun.
 
petros
#67
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Today they have so many choices compared to what we had growing up - As the old saying goes - we made our own fun.

The only different choices are consumer choices but we had something called discipline that limited our choices for the better.

Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

How many television stations did the Nazis run?

There was only one CBC French channel back then too.
 
Tonington
#68
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

There was only one CBC French channel back then too.

So then you agree that brainwashing isn't proportional to the number of channels one has available?
 
petros
#69
Remember when killing your opponent in a game was declaring "king me"?

Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

So then you agree that brainwashing isn't proportional to the number of channels one has available?

Ever seen a newscast or commercial from the 70's?
 
Tonington
#70
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Ever seen a newscast or commercial from the 70's?

Yes. Back to square one, how did you choose when you were brainwashed?
 
Curiosity
+1
#71
I notice a distinct change over the last twenty years in how the younger population is viewed and treated by the public

They are often the focus of advertising - product for the young is increasing and parents either are made to feel guilty if they do not meet the demand and supply of "needs" or those who don't get their wishes
met are "abused".

I think the goals of what life is all about has become unrealistic and commercialized to the point of
impossible and the young people are exposed as soon as they are allowed to watch television, play on the internet or even hear the conversations between the parents about "what to buy next".

Commercial dictatorship needs some serious rethinking - and adults need some strength with the idea
they can "buy love" within the family. It doesn't work that way....not in the long term and gives
the young unrealistic expectations of adults.

Even many teachers treat their students as they are all magical and perfect - usually to avoid conflict in the classroom.

Time to reclaim decisions by adults only and put the advertisers on notice as to who "pays the bill".
 
Tonington
#72
Quote: Originally Posted by CuriosityView Post

Time to reclaim decisions by adults only and put the advertisers on notice as to who "pays the bill".

This is true, but how do you do it? You can't monitor your kids 24/7, and as you noted the bombardment is pervasive, ubiquitous...so what's the steps? How do you fight entrenched interests? The same psychology that plants the seed for product and brand awareness is also at work when the media demagogues.
 
petros
#73
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Yes. Back to square one, how did you choose when you were brainwashed?

Since you've noticed I'm not brainwshed now, what gave the idea I ever was?

Considering you admit to it, why don't you fill all of us non-brainwshed in on the details? Don't spare us the freaky **** either. We can take it.
 
talloola
#74
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

How do you choose when you're brainwashed?

don't choose to be brainwashed.
 
Curiosity
#75
Tonington

I suggest a family get-together with creating a budget for things which are not as necessary to life as food, clothing, cleaning products, repairs, general upkeep of household, etc. All those things we try to
ignore but know we have to put aside some funds eventually.

There is no "too early" age for a child to learn budgets - even a small one when the weekly grocery list is being made and choices for special treats can include the children - or outings can also be part of this list to keep the child engaged.

There can be a list for clothing - "necessary" and "fun".... and even when parents are discussing the need to buy a new washer or even a car - age-appropriate information can be discussed with the kids so they undeerstand financial limitations and lifestyle.

There can always be room for "surprise" stuff at birthday or holiday celebrations but all children need to understand the family does not run on air - and it takes ...... hours of work for the parents to pay for whatever necessities they will need.

If there are bits of money left over such as quarters or even a dollar or two....add some fun to the mix with a bag of treats or cookies - something to make the kids feel it isn't all horrible planning... but they need to be aware of finances within their family so they appreciate new treats, clothes and gifts when they receive them.

As a child I was never taught about money handling and as a single working girl I was always broke and borrowing from my sisters or brother or parents. My husband finally taught me the ropes in my late twenties because as he was away from home a great deal in the military it was up to me to keep the house running and paying bills on time.

At the time I realized how little I knew I was embarrassed and felt in perhaps protecting me, my parents had created a problem for themselves and me - in that I never understood about budgeting. It's a gift for kids to be part of the financial
issues too - even at the weekly grocery list level....
Last edited by Curiosity; Sep 19th, 2010 at 11:17 AM..
 
JLM
#76
Quote: Originally Posted by CuriosityView Post

Tonington

I suggest a family get-together with creating a budget for things which are not as necessary to life as food, clothing, cleaning products, repairs, general upkeep of household, etc. All those things we try to
ignore but know we have to put aside some funds eventually.

There is no "too early" age for a child to learn budgets - even a small one when the weekly grocery list is being made and choices for special treats can include the children - or outings can also be part of this list to keep the child engaged.

There can be a list for clothing - "necessary" and "fun".... and even when parents are discussing the need to buy a new washer or even a car - age-appropriate information can be discussed with the kids so they undeerstand financial limitations and lifestyle.

There can always be room for "surprise" stuff at birthday or holiday celebrations but all children need to understand the family does not run on air - and it takes ...... hours of work for the parents to pay for whatever necessities they will need.

If there are bits of money left over such as quarters or even a dollar or two....add some fun to the mix with a bag of treats or cookies - something to make the kids feel it isn't all horrible planning... but they need to be aware of finances within their family so they appreciate new treats, clothes and gifts when they receive them.

As a child I was never taught about money handling and as a single working girl I was always broke and borrowing from my sisters or brother or parents. My husband finally taught me the ropes in my late twenties because as he was away from home a great deal in the military it was up to me to keep the house running and paying bills on time.

At the time I realized how little I knew I was embarrassed and felt in perhaps protecting me, my parents had created a problem for themselves and me - in that I never understood about budgeting. It's a gift for kids to be part of the financial
issues too - even at the weekly grocery list level....

Good idea.
 
Tonington
#77
Quote: Originally Posted by CuriosityView Post

At the time I realized how little I knew I was embarrassed and felt in perhaps protecting me, my parents had created a problem for themselves and me - in that I never understood about budgeting. It's a gift for kids to be part of the financial
issues too - even at the weekly grocery list level....

I actually had the type of experience you described above with involvement in home economics. My fiance on the other hand was completely sheltered. She was raised by her grandmother, and was coddled severely...to the point where she has very little confidence to even try things. It's a work in progress...
 
Curiosity
#78
Hi Tonington - my sympathies to your fiancee believe me

Out of love parents try to shield a child from understanding simple economics and denial of treats but in so avoiding addressing and teaching the issues they keep children in ignorance about the values expected if one
wishes to "own" or "purchase" something which gives pleasure. Even being included in the family financial
discussions may bore the kids unless there is "hope" for something neat in the list - but they will pick up
on the whole tribal ritual of spending what you can and trying not to "overspend".

I've seen kids "man up" when they realize the money pit is empty and they have to wait until next payday to
get their new electronic whizzo whatever it is....while it hurts the parents to deny, it gives a gift to the child which may go unrealized until the child expects every wish will be granted - and that is fantasy land.
 
Tonington
#79
She still leaves the lights on when she leaves a room...drives me bonkers! I was cooking, ironing, doing laundry, before I hit junior high! Well, the ironing I think was after junior high, started doing lots of that when I went into Air Cadets.

She's actually really good about spending money wisely. So that's not a great big land mine to deal with. It's more of the domestic load that she's not so good for, but getting better.
 
talloola
#80
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

How do you choose when you're brainwashed?

if one is aware of what is going on around him/her, he isn't brainwashed, he makes
choices, that just leaves the ones who are 'trying' to do the brainwashing, and don't succeed.
they can get away with whatever they want, that doesn't mean they have fooled anyone, who
decide they don't want to be fooled, the brainwashed are the ones who haven't a clue, and believe
the brainwashers are doing the best they can for them.
 
Curiosity
#81
Ah Tonington you even write that note about her with love in your heart

Nobody is perfect - she's probably not **** about a lot of rituals you take for granted like the light issue - but on the other hand she could be the opposite and want to tidy a newspaper before anyone has finished reading all the sections - or dusting around you when you are relaxing watching the tube....

There are trade offs everywhere and I'd rather see a calm collected woman around the house that some of the banshee sisters I grew up with - you could eat off their floors! So who would ever want to in the reality of things? Just wasting a lot of good times relaxing and enjoying being with one you love is best...
aw you know that!
 
Tonington
#82
Quote: Originally Posted by CuriosityView Post

Ah Tonington you even write that note about her with love in your heart

Nobody is perfect - she's probably not **** about a lot of rituals you take for granted like the light issue - but on the other hand she could be the opposite and want to tidy a newspaper before anyone has finished reading all the sections - or dusting around you when you are relaxing watching the tube....

She's **** about the formation of paper and textbooks that surround her. They all have a place, and if I come along and move one of them it throws her off. That's just her learning style. Can't really think off hand of anything she's **** about when it comes to tidying and housework. Really I'm the **** one.
 
Curiosity
#83
Tonington

Haha....I'm sorry - but opposites do attract! She's a lucky girl !!!
 
ironsides
#84
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

What choices did we have that are denied to them?

Guess the appropriate word would be "opportunity" in that case, but they seem to make a lot of wrong choices now. Do they have to many choices and are overwhelmed, I don't know. Wonder how many today would do if Mommy and Daddy sent them out to work or college when they were around 18 and let them sink or swim. Just to many kids are like boomerangs today , and of course the parents end up supporting them again. There are of course those who do perfectly fine in life that we can be proud of. Unfortunately sometimes they don't get enough praise for doing good.
 
Goober
#85
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

She's **** about the formation of paper and textbooks that surround her. They all have a place, and if I come along and move one of them it throws her off. That's just her learning style. Can't really think off hand of anything she's **** about when it comes to tidying and housework. Really I'm the **** one.

Now that is why you are a Liberal
 
MaynardKing
#86
I think the new generation is very smart, but they are not balanced, and therefore cannot mature properly yet. there is a nice blog post about the topic here :
Ten Million Slaves: New Generation of kids.. (external - login to view)

In my opinion people in the west have been educated worse and worse, but when i see my friends kids, i realize they have the potential to be smarter than any previous generation
 
Goober
#87
Quote: Originally Posted by MaynardKingView Post

I think the new generation is very smart, but they are not balanced, and therefore cannot mature properly yet. there is a nice blog post about the topic here :
Ten Million Slaves: New Generation of kids.. (external - login to view)

In my opinion people in the west have been educated worse and worse, but when i see my friends kids, i realize they have the potential to be smarter than any previous generation

Smart is some ways and dumber than a bag a hammers on many. We, meaning many of us grew up have a paper route, shoveling snow and other ways to make money to buy what we wanted. Now we see high income offering - if you do this i will buy that.

I remember arriving in St Albert in the spring of 96 - Wife was waiting till end on school year in NB.

So i looked at housing etc and shopped around.

We had a meeting with our real estate agent as my wife had come out in early late Apr -May -

A bunch of teenagers came in to the place where were were having coffee - and each and everyone had on clothes that i could not afford to buy my self or for my daughter - leather coats that went then for about 700 $ at that time, I knew because i was looking them over in the stores - driving cars their parents bought and they were new cars -

I think we missed out on many values to teach this generation.

And I completely disagree with this common statement we hear - Older people gripe about younger generation as not being polite etc.

This is not he case today as we see behavior that is completely off the scale of basic common decency. We see teenagers - 18 -20 that cannot think a problem though -

Then the same with 20-25 or 30 year olds that need to stay at home because they quit school and cannot find a job that permits them to live on their own.

I think in some cases and i am only describing some cases that we stole their ability to think for themselves, be responsible and think, really think about what is next in life.

Lastly - Alberta does have a fine educational system - and if the school cannot teach them do what we did - Hire a tutor.

We gave the material and set to the side the other important parts of maturing
 
JLM
#88
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Smart is some ways and dumber than a bag a hammers on many. We, meaning many of us grew up have a paper route, shoveling snow and other ways to make money to buy what we wanted. Now we see high income offering - if you do this i will buy that.

I remember arriving in St Albert in the spring of 96 - Wife was waiting till end on school year in NB.

So i looked at housing etc and shopped around.

We had a meeting with our real estate agent as my wife had come out in early late Apr -May -

A bunch of teenagers came in to the place where were were having coffee - and each and everyone had on clothes that i could not afford to buy my self or for my daughter - leather coats that went then for about 700 $ at that time, I knew because i was looking them over in the stores - driving cars their parents bought and they were new cars -

I think we missed out on many values to teach this generation.

And I completely disagree with this common statement we hear - Older people gripe about younger generation as not being polite etc.

This is not he case today as we see behavior that is completely off the scale of basic common decency. We see teenagers - 18 -20 that cannot think a problem though -

Then the same with 20-25 or 30 year olds that need to stay at home because they quit school and cannot find a job that permits them to live on their own.

I think in some cases and i am only describing some cases that we stole their ability to think for themselves, be responsible and think, really think about what is next in life.

Lastly - Alberta does have a fine educational system - and if the school cannot teach them do what we did - Hire a tutor.

We gave the material and set to the side the other important parts of maturing

VEry well written post Goober and very accurate.

Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

She still leaves the lights on when she leaves a room...drives me bonkers! I was cooking, ironing, doing laundry, before I hit junior high! Well, the ironing I think was after junior high, started doing lots of that when I went into Air Cadets.

She's actually really good about spending money wisely. So that's not a great big land mine to deal with. It's more of the domestic load that she's not so good for, but getting better.

At my advanced age I recently started thinking about some of the stuff you've mentioned in a little different way. You can only do one thing at a time (properly that is) whether it's flicking a light switch or building a piano, so while doing that particular thing I concentrate on doing it right. It doesn't take much longer than doing it wrong.
 
Goober
#89
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

VEry well written post Goober and very accurate.



At my advanced age I recently started thinking about some of the stuff you've mentioned in a little different way. You can only do one thing at a time (properly that is) whether it's flicking a light switch or building a piano, so while doing that particular thing I concentrate on doing it right. It doesn't take much longer than doing it wrong.

I get a tad upset when some idiot starts talking about Multi-Tasking - The brain is unable to Multi-Task -

What they should be talking about are those that can keep a lot of things going at the same time - juggling and having the right answers when problems arise - Ability the Multi Shift Thinking/Problem Solving - addressing it quickly and efficiently so as to arrive at the correct answer and then have the ability to return to what you were working on without missing more than a heartbeat. And then wait for the next one that throws you off track.
 
TenPenny
#90
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

I get a tad upset when some idiot starts talking about Multi-Tasking - The brain is unable to Multi-Task -

In other words, you can't walk and talk at the same time?


That's multi tasking, and I have no problem with doing it.
 

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