WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Logic

[Colpy]

Re: RE: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli

Did you know that Islamist radicals seek to unite the world in Islam?

Oh, and Christians don't and haven't wanted to unite the world through conquests?

Yes, certainly Christians have done terrible things.....the Conquistadors in the New World being the best example.

They would have a priest read out (in Latin) an offer for assembled natives to convert......and when they didn't instantly fall to their knees, they would enslave or murder them all....for rejecting Christ.

But no one in their right mind could accuse these folks of following the teachings or actions of their founder......Christ conquered no territory, Christ put no one to death, in fact Christ intervened to save the condemned.

Meanwhile, Mohammed takes Arabia by the sword............BIG difference.

 

[FiveParadox]

Re: RE: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli

I know what you're trying to say, Colpy, but I think that you may inadvertantly be coming across as more "racist" than you might intend due to some confusion in terminology. Just thought I'd point it out: You might want to qualify the adjective with another, like "extremist" or "insane", or something as such. :?

Muslim

adj : of or relating to or supporting Islamism; "Islamic art" [syn: Muslim, Moslem, Islamic] n : a believer or follower of Islam [syn: Muslim, Moslem, Mohammedan, Muhammedan, Muhammadan, Islamist]

You should be able to find that entry here.

Saying that you hate all Islamists is synonymous to saying that you hate all Muslims.

 

[JonB2004]

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How many accounts does Aeon have?

This Caleb-Dain Matton guy is really starting to sound like aeon. To my knowledge, aeon was banned and still is. But members aren't allowed to make more than one account. Unless aeon really doesn't mind breaking the rules.

 

[VoteForGraeme]

RE: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

FiveParadox, that obvioulsy isn't what he meant, as he has explained himself now.

quit argueing semantics - He hates the radicals, as do I. The extremists simply need to be destroyed, I will go one further and say those who support the extremist need to be severly punished, and put in a position where they can no longer support the extremists.

In the case of Iranian Governement, well I would consider them extremists operating in a covert way. The should be destroyed. If they aren't they will ruin lives of not only their nations children but the children of other nations primarily Israel.

 

[FiveParadox]

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VoteForGraeme[/i]]FiveParadox, that obvioulsy isn't what he meant, as he has explained himself now.

I made it quite clear that I know that it's not what he meant; I was pointing out an error in the term he was using so as to ensure that other members might not misconstrue his sentiments as being something more offensive than they are.

VoteForGraeme[/i]]quit argueing semantics - He hates the radicals, as do I. The extremists simply need to be destroyed, I will go one further and say those who support the extremist need to be severly punished, and put in a position where they can no longer support the extremists.

I don't support extremism either.

VoteForGraeme[/i]]In the case of Iranian Governement, well I would consider them extremists operating in a covert way. The should be destroyed. If they aren't they will ruin lives of not only their nations children but the children of other nations primarily Israel.

I wouldn't go so far so as to say that the Republic of Iran should be outright destroyed.

VoteForGraeme[/i]]quite argueing semantics

Quit breaching the rules of Canadian Content. One account per person.

 

[Caleb-Dain Matton]

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How many accounts does Aeon have?

This Caleb-Dain Matton guy is really starting to sound like aeon. To my knowledge, aeon was banned and still is. But members aren't allowed to make more than one account. Unless aeon really doesn't mind breaking the rules.

No. I'm not Aeon. I don't even know what an Aeon is. And, funny how people react when someone comes along and their ideas or beliefs are adverse to theirs. They feel threatened by it...scared, they usually resort to name-calling or finger-pointing. I love it.

 

[I think not]

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How many accounts does Aeon have?

This Caleb-Dain Matton guy is really starting to sound like aeon. To my knowledge, aeon was banned and still is. But members aren't allowed to make more than one account. Unless aeon really doesn't mind breaking the rules.

No. I'm not Aeon. I don't even know what an Aeon is. And, funny how people react when someone comes along and their ideas or beliefs are adverse to theirs. They feel threatened by it...scared, they usually resort to name-calling or finger-pointing. I love it.

I'm glad you love it. You will find a few people around here actually have the ability of critical thought. Not the brain dead appeasers on indymedia you are accustomed to.

 

[Caleb-Dain Matton]

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How many accounts does Aeon have?

This Caleb-Dain Matton guy is really starting to sound like aeon. To my knowledge, aeon was banned and still is. But members aren't allowed to make more than one account. Unless aeon really doesn't mind breaking the rules.

No. I'm not Aeon. I don't even know what an Aeon is. And, funny how people react when someone comes along and their ideas or beliefs are adverse to theirs. They feel threatened by it...scared, they usually resort to name-calling or finger-pointing. I love it.

I'm glad you love it. You will find a few people around here actually have the ability of critical thought. Not the brain dead appeasers on indymedia you are accustomed to.

Good one! Have you ever considered improv?

<snipped> post. Cosmo

 

[I think not]

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Good one! Have you ever considered improv? Nothing smells sweeter than a dead American soldier. How's that make you feel?

I'll let administration deal with this one. And then I'll tell you how I feel.

 

[DurkaDurka]

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How many accounts does Aeon have?

This Caleb-Dain Matton guy is really starting to sound like aeon. To my knowledge, aeon was banned and still is. But members aren't allowed to make more than one account. Unless aeon really doesn't mind breaking the rules.

No. I'm not Aeon. I don't even know what an Aeon is. And, funny how people react when someone comes along and their ideas or beliefs are adverse to theirs. They feel threatened by it...scared, they usually resort to name-calling or finger-pointing. I love it.

I'm glad you love it. You will find a few people around here actually have the ability of critical thought. Not the brain dead appeasers on indymedia you are accustomed to.

Good one! Have you ever considered improv? <snipped by Cosmo>

Wow! do you feel better now that you have said that? Unleashing some of your anti-american venom on an intermet forum. You are going to be banned quickly making statements like that.

 

[Caleb-Dain Matton]

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How many accounts does Aeon have?

This Caleb-Dain Matton guy is really starting to sound like aeon. To my knowledge, aeon was banned and still is. But members aren't allowed to make more than one account. Unless aeon really doesn't mind breaking the rules.

No. I'm not Aeon. I don't even know what an Aeon is. And, funny how people react when someone comes along and their ideas or beliefs are adverse to theirs. They feel threatened by it...scared, they usually resort to name-calling or finger-pointing. I love it.

I'm glad you love it. You will find a few people around here actually have the ability of critical thought. Not the brain dead appeasers on indymedia you are accustomed to.

Good one! Have you ever considered improv? <snipped by Cosmo>

Wow! do you feel better now that you have said that? Unleashing some of your anti-american venom on an intermet forum. You are going to be banned quickly making statements like that.

Why. It's not a threat. It is no different than anyone else on this message board who have celebrated the deaths of Labanese, Palestinians, or Muslims. You can dish it but can't take it.
The statement I made is an opinion, not a threat. You should be banned for making such a stupid suggestion.

 

[wallyj]

RE: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

Why does anyone bother with this fool. If the U.S. wasn't in Iraq,he would be saying they should be there. If the U.S. was on Lebanon's side he would be against that also. Caleb like many of the left zone have only one thought "the states can do no right"

 

[DurkaDurka]

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How many accounts does Aeon have?

This Caleb-Dain Matton guy is really starting to sound like aeon. To my knowledge, aeon was banned and still is. But members aren't allowed to make more than one account. Unless aeon really doesn't mind breaking the rules.

No. I'm not Aeon. I don't even know what an Aeon is. And, funny how people react when someone comes along and their ideas or beliefs are adverse to theirs. They feel threatened by it...scared, they usually resort to name-calling or finger-pointing. I love it.

I'm glad you love it. You will find a few people around here actually have the ability of critical thought. Not the brain dead appeasers on indymedia you are accustomed to.

Good one! Have you ever considered improv? <snipped by Cosmo>

Wow! do you feel better now that you have said that? Unleashing some of your anti-american venom on an intermet forum. You are going to be banned quickly making statements like that.

Why. It's not a threat. It is no different than anyone else on this message board who have celebrated the deaths of Labanese, Palestinians, or Muslims. You can dish it but can't take it.
The statement I made is an opinion, not a threat. You should be banned for making such a stupid suggestion.

I never said you were making "threats". As for people celebrating the deaths of Lebanese, Palestinians etc... that is a crock. Show some evidence of that. There is no need for that garbage. <Slight edit by Cosmo>

 

[Lithp]

Hmm... the original poster is continuining to use flawed logic. I don't think anyone here celebrates the death of any innocent citizens. That being said however, if you fire rockets at a civilian population from a civilian then expect a targeted response.

If Lebanon is unwilling or unable to reign in Hezbolla then some other military force will. Whether it's Israel or an international force.

If someone kidnapped some members of your family after killing several others in the process what would you do? Nothing?

Time and time again Israel has warned civilians about impending assaults, opened humanitarian corridors, and invited an international force to intervene.

There is no way Israel can be blamed for a disproportionate response to the attacks on its civilians and military. It has tolerated this for far to long, limiting its response.

If one of my neighbours stole my children you can bet your behind I would level their neighbouhood and everything in it until they were returned. And yes- I, like Israel, would warn the innocent population of my intentions and advise them to leave post haste.

Believe me, many Lebanese blame Hezbolla for the crisis. The only problem is they do so in secret out of fear of reprisal although i have hear some on the news take this risk.

Hezbolla and the Lebanese government are at fault. Not Israel.

We all mourn the suffering and violence that has occured. On all sides

 

[Hotshot]

RE: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

Funny thing about all the Jews who were not in the WTC on the morning of 9-11. Caleb-Dain Matton must have warned them....

 

[humanbeing]

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The point is, the US is not bombing Lebanon.

But this point you make has little to do with what he posted. Perhaps you should be trying to show how the logic applied in this fashion does not make sense.

I'm not suggesting he is correct, but I am suggesting you should attempt to prove that the paired examples he uses are incoherent and illogical if they bother you so much. You might even learn something from trying to do so.

That the US is not bombing Lebanon, though, has nothing to do what what he posted. He is not saying that the US is bombing Lebanon, he is saying that the WTC bombings would have been justified according to the state of Israel, if you used the same justification they give for these recent bombings in Lebanon.

To everyone here who disagrees with him:

Your jobs, if you don't like what he said, is to prove him wrong. Do so on the grounds he gives, or if you feel the grounds are wrong, say so, and also say why and how.

(But please, stop beating around the bush, shouting names, and throwing mud, and do your damn jobs!)

 

[humanbeing]

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If someone kidnapped some members of your family after killing several others in the process what would you do? Nothing?

If one of my neighbours stole my children you can bet your behind I would level their neighbouhood and everything in it until they were returned. And yes- I, like Israel, would warn the innocent population of my intentions and advise them to leave post haste.

And so when Israeli soldiers steal some members of a Palestinian's family (children or what not), the Palestinians are justified in levelling entire Israeli neighbourhoods and everything in them until the family members were returned?

Israelis have even been warned by a certain few Palestinians. The mass media certainly runs enough footage of them making threats towards Israel... we've seen it on TV quite often - and usually the same couple of guys for several days straight. I've heard people here talking about it before... you seem them in their little masks, talking about avenging losses and what not.

So what gives? Does the logic only apply for you, or does it apply for all sides? Or did you make a mistake when you were typing?

 

[humanbeing]

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I'm not suggesting he is correct, but I am suggesting you should attempt to prove that the paired examples he uses are incoherent and illogical if they bother you so much. You might even learn something from trying to do so.

That the US is not bombing Lebanon, though, has nothing to do what what he posted. He is not saying that the US is bombing Lebanon, he is saying that the WTC bombings would have been justified according to the state of Israel, if you used the same grounds they give for these recent bombings in Lebanon.

Should say 'grounds' there, not 'justification', like it does above. Though it's not a big deal, as it sorta made sense before. Now it makes complete sense though (I hope).

 

[para-dice]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

Let's be clear about a few things:

Hezbollah didn't start firing the rockets until the IDF invaded.

The UN has reported that the IDF has conducted almost daily incusions into Lebanon over the past year. These have included killing an unarmed 15 year old shepard boy tending to his flock, assassinating Lebanese leaders, nighlty low level flyovers - I am sure the sonic booms caused lots of terror, just to name a few of the IDF's acts of aggression.

Why?

Well Ha'aretz (Israel's major newspaper) reported that the IDF planned a year ago to invade Lebanon.

Seems the IDF was just waiting for Hezbollah to retaliate.

 

[para-dice]

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It's interesting to note that critics of Israel like me and Caleb-Dain Matton, are quickly compared to Nazi's.

I would suggest this has something to do with the media's constant references to the Holocaust, the message being: If you criticize Israel that makes you a Nazi.

Such nonsense. Indeed the critics of Israel - Zionism are many Jews themselves who have seen first hand the daily and provocative de-humanization of Pals at IDF hands.

Why are so many Jews critics of Israel? Why are so many Jews against Zionism?

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/recent/index.cfm
http://www.jewsforjustice.com
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com
http://www.gush-salom.com
http://www. btselem.com
http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2002/07/58995_comment.php?l=ar

Just to name a few.

And when THEY protest, the media ignores them.