Would our country still be safe if we had no soldiers in Afghanistan?

[Chiliagon]

So I see the fighting going on over in Iraq and Afghanistan and people always saying, "they're over fighting there to keep our country free"

but I ask, is that really the case? Would we still be free and safe and so on if we were not fighting this war?

Would our country truly be in danger of losing our Freedom if we had decided to never get involved with this struggle over in the middle east?


I honestly think that there'd be not one single bit of difference if we weren't.

We'd still be just as free today no matter what.

 

[karrie]

The soldiers I know aren't over there fighting for our freedom... they're figthing for the freedom of the Afghan people.

Is it ill advised? Will it end well? Are there better ways? These are perhaps the questions you'd be better off asking.

But, in the end, a terrorist organization made its presence felt to us when it killed Canadian citizens, and our government has taken it upon itself to attempt to route them out of a country that deserves to be free of them.

 

[Johnnny]

no our country wouldnt be free of terrorists if we left afghanistan... The pakistani's from the swat valley will keep coming here whether we have troops over in their part of the world or not, and they will always be up to there regular ****...

look at the tamil tigers we havent been there but their still here, and im sure as hell not feeling safe with them crwaling around toronto, we werent even in sri lanka but there here

 

[Chiliagon]

ya well, Toronto isn't exactly Safe town ya know.

 

[clutch]

refrain from using the term 'paki'.....





Moderator Edit: I concur with the assessment of the situation.

 

[Chiliagon]

refrain from using the term 'paki'.

ya I agree, that's pretty racist.

 

[Johnnny]

refrain from using the term 'paki'.

paki is no different than me calling someone of british descent a brit....

if i called them ragheads or sand niggers then that would be racist

Note: i use those words in context for this example

or people who call my grandma on my moms side a polelock, instead of polish, or when people say your a fin instead of saying your finnish....

 

[karrie]

paki is no different than me calling someone of british descent a brit....

if i called them ragheads or sand niggers then that would be racist

Note: i use those words in context for this example

or people who call my grandma on my moms side a polelock, instead of polish, or when people say your a fin instead of saying your finnish....

It's racist if you're not talking about Pakistanis, and are instead just calling anyone brown a 'Paki'.

 

[Johnnny]

It's racist if you're not talking about Pakistanis, and are instead just calling anyone brown a 'Paki'.

i hear you thats why i said pakis from the swat valley, because the swat valley is in pakistan

 

[clutch]

lmao, paki is racist no matter who you're referring to. it's a derogatory remark.

 

[Machjo]

So I see the fighting going on over in Iraq and Afghanistan and people always saying, "they're over fighting there to keep our country free"

but I ask, is that really the case? Would we still be free and safe and so on if we were not fighting this war?

Would our country truly be in danger of losing our Freedom if we had decided to never get involved with this struggle over in the middle east?


I honestly think that there'd be not one single bit of difference if we weren't.

We'd still be just as free today no matter what.

Iraq was not a threat from the word go, but then again, Canada never went there. As for Afghanistan, originally it was about capturing Osama Bin Laden, and had the focus remained on that objective, the mission might have been accomplished. Instead, we chose to redefine the mission as nation-building.

Do I agree with the Iraq War? No, it was an illegal war and I'm happy we didn't participate. The Afghan war, I'm less sure about whether I agree with it or not, though I lean more against unless it could have been fought differently keeping the original objective in sight. When the mission objective changes mid-way, it raises suspicions and a feeling that the government is trying to manipulate us. The mission objective should not change mid-way through the war.

no our country wouldnt be free of terrorists if we left afghanistan... The pakis from the swat valley will keep coming here whether we have troops over in their part of the world or not, and they will always be up to there regular ****...

look at the tamil tigers we havent been there but their still here, and im sure as hell not feeling safe with them crwaling around toronto, we werent even in sri lanka but there here

As for protecting the Canadian homeland, the police can do a fine job of that at our ports of entry. What? The Taliban will swim across the ocean? They have to come by plane or ship. If you have appropriate security there, it's hard for them to cause damage. And then add extra security in our cities.

I don't see how having troops in Afghanistan stops a person from boarding a plane with a knife or organizing terrorist activities on Canadian soil. All it really does is drain our resources abroad.

 

[Avro]

So I see the fighting going on over in Iraq and Afghanistan and people always saying, "they're over fighting there to keep our country free"

but I ask, is that really the case? Would we still be free and safe and so on if we were not fighting this war?

Would our country truly be in danger of losing our Freedom if we had decided to never get involved with this struggle over in the middle east?


I honestly think that there'd be not one single bit of difference if we weren't.

We'd still be just as free today no matter what.

I agree 100%, I have been saying this for years.

What if we had done nothing?

This is what Bin Laden wanted.

.....and if we absolutley had to respond why not just turn Afghanistan into a giant galss bowl?

 

[AnnaG]

Get off the racist thing, will you? It's overblown and overused.
The way I read it, our people are over in Afghanistan to help the people of Afghanistan develop past the point where the non-native Taliban and others would love to keep them.
IOW, bunches of jerks have been seizing control of a country they don't even belong to and subjecting its citizens their brand of misery.
Bin Laden is from Yemen, Maulana Fazlullah is Pakistani, etc. If there's any Afghans in the Taliban it is purely coincidental.

 

[Avro]

Get off the racist thing, will you? It's overblown and overused.
The way I read it, our people are over in Afghanistan to help the people of Afghanistan develop past the point where the non-native Taliban and others would love to keep them.
IOW, bunches of jerks have been seizing control of a country they don't even belong to and subjecting its citizens their brand of misery.
Bin Laden is from Yemen, Maulana Fazlullah is Pakistani, etc. If there's any Afghans in the Taliban it is purely coincidental.

Why are the Afghan people our problem?

I couldn't care less about them.

If they can't get their crap together let them perish.

I wouldn't have my son or daughter die for them.

 

[AnnaG]

Why are the Afghan people our problem?

I couldn't care less about them.

If they can't get their crap together let them perish.

I wouldn't have my son or daughter die for them.

You probably don't give a crap about anyone in your own neighborhood either. So, I doubt I could explain the concept to you so you could understand.
Why should we give a crap about the rest of the planet being polluted? It's got nothing to do with us and we should only care about us.

 

[Avro]

You probably don't give a crap about anyone in your own neighborhood either. So, I doubt I could explain the concept to you so you could understand.
Why should we give a crap about the rest of the planet being polluted? It's got nothing to do with us and we should only care about us.

I run a charity in my community because it is in my country Anna.

I don't care enough about what goes on in some third world country enough to sacrifice Canada's young men, women and resources.

If they were a real threat I'd nuke the bastards.

 

[AnnaG]

I run a charity in my community because it is in my country Anna.

I don't care enough about what goes on in some third world country enough to sacrifice Canada's young men, women and resources.

If they were a real threat I'd nuke the bastards.

So as long as it is YOUR people it's fine. Screw the other guy, I'm safe. That's what counts.

Nuke them? Along with all the innocent people that may be around. Such a nice guy.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

"Afghanistan" is not dangerous to us. Afghanistan is as dangerous to us as Laos. Not at ll.

The Taliban, as cruel and backward as they are, have not fight with the Canada or the West in general. Al-Qeada wants to fight America and the West. The Taliban are like the PLO fighting Israel. The PLO has no interest in fighting the US, Canada or the West, just Israel. When has the PLO launched an attack on a Western target? Never.

Yet the PLO, like the Taliban are drawn as the same as Al-Qeada, which they are not. This technique has been perfected by Israel among others.

Afghanistan is as dangerous to us as Laos. Not at all. Not at all.

 

[Avro]

So as long as it is YOUR people it's fine. Screw the other guy, I'm safe. That's what counts.

Nuke them? Along with all the innocent people that may be around. Such a nice guy.

The other guy?

Are you baked?

I help the other guy, my neighbor, my fellow Canuck or landed immigrant.

Yes, I would nuke them over having our children die for someone elses problem.

Preferablly I'd do nothing but if some turd country kept attacking us or harbored those who did then bye bye.

 

[weaselwords]

Canada would be safer today if we never were involved in Afghanistan, however that being said it was a necessary "evil" as Canada is a member of Nato & Nato committed to the capture of bin Laden & defeat his Taliban protectors at the time. While I personally think it was a bad idea, we committed and should see the commitment to the end (2011). Afghanistan is a "Tar Baby" easy to get in almost impossible to get out with your dignity intact (just ask the Russians). Will Canada be safer when we leave, it depends on the mood of the Afghani people & whether any of the clans have decided on a vendetta (don't want to use the "j" word here) against Canada.