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Blackleaf

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Rubbish. England would have beaten the Germans. Germany haven't beaten one of the world's Top 10 ranked teams since the year 2000. And the game was played at Munich - the place where England beat Germany 5-1 in 2001.

In fact, I should call them "Germany", in inverted commas, as lots of the German team wasn't even born in Germany.

Podolski, a Pole, scored both of their goals today.
 

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Here's a report on the France-Togo game.

France managed to scrape a 2-0 win, their first in the World Cup outside of France since 1986, against a side ranked only 59th in the world and qualified for the next round in second place in their group behind Switzerland who are ranked 35th.

They play Spain (5th in the world) in the next round, a team with 3 wins out of 3 in the World Cup.
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Henry and Vieira bring relief and belief to France

Dominic Fifield in Cologne
Saturday June 24, 2006
The Guardian


French substitutes sitting on the bench during the game against Togo.


For France, relief will prompt hope this morning. An evening of palpable tension and, for too long, familiar frustrations ultimately saw Les Bleus scramble from their group and into the knockout stages. The champions of 1998 have recorded their first win since they hosted the final at the Stade de France and, by the end last night, they were even mustering some of the swagger which had typified that glorious occasion.

Yet if Raymond Domenech departed this arena elated at his side's reprieve, that joy may be tempered by realism in the days to come. This was a comfortable victory over spirited but limited opponents who had somehow clung to parity until a little short of the hour mark. The expectation will be that victory generates momentum to make France's great players look like their former selves. The suspicion lingers that this has merely papered over deeper cracks which Spain, so impressive to date, may well expose in Hanover on Tuesday.

Above all, profligacy still undermines France's impact. They should have run up a cricket score here, so porous was the Africans' defence, but the early goal did not come and each desperate Togo block or spurned opportunity chipped away at France's self-conviction. It took Patrick Vieira, a towering presence on his 30th birthday in the muddled midfield scrap, to force his side ahead with his fifth goal in 90 appearances.

Yet those within the French camp, possibly the eccentric Domenech aside, will not be fooled by the ease with which their side strolled through the final half-hour. Spain's centre-halves will not prove as generous as their Togo counterparts, who parted as early as the fourth minute to offer David Trezeguet the first of a flurry of chances the Juventus striker could not take. Likewise, Franck Ribéry and Florent Malouda will not be offered the space in which to thrive as they were here, the former tarnishing his own bright display with some wasteful finishes when this game was still goalless. And will Vieira be so dominant in loftier company?

Those supporters bearing Tricolors had booed Domenech's name as it was announced over the Tannoy before kick-off, a reminder of the pressure under which his side are currently playing. This, after all, was France without Zinédine Zidane [[the French have given him the typically girly French nickname of "Zizou]]. The playmaker sat out his own birthday, the 34th, suspended on the sidelines and, although qualification has prolonged his career, it will be intriguing to see whether the coach, with whom he endures such a fractious relationship, breaks up last night's midfield quartet to recall his maestro on Tuesday.

Such is Domenech's stubborn streak that he may not, pointing perhaps to the chances chiselled out so easily here. Trezeguet could have marked his first start of this tournament with a hat-trick but ended with nothing, his scuffed attempt into the excellent Kossi Agassa's arms midway through the first period the miss of a player shorn of confidence. His outlook could hardly have been helped by the cancelling of a perfectly good goal just after the quarter-hour, the linesman flagging for offside as Ribéry squared his pass and Trezeguet tapped in.

The mistake did not have the same demoralising effect as previous refereeing blunders in the games against South Korea and Switzerland, though there was plenty of angst to suffer yet. Ribéry, for all his roving menace, was guilty of two dreadful misses when set up by Malouda before he made amends. Driving through the centre, the Marseille midfielder slipped a neat pass inside for Vieira to spin and arc a fine shot into the far corner. Some six minutes later, Willy Sagnol's centre was flicked on by the French captain for Thierry Henry, edging away from Massamasso Tchangai, to slide in his 35th international goal.

Togo were breached but not bowed. Their supporters were congoing around the stadium before the end, their first taste of the finals having been embraced with enthusiasm. This was perhaps their most admirable performance, their players relishing the occasion with a long-running pay dispute behind them. Fifa will investigate the Togolese Football Association's conduct over that bitter saga, but it is better to remember the team for their eager attacking in this game.

The striker Mohamed Kader, one of five of their starters who play in France - more than the French could offer - forced Fabian Barthez to save in the first half and Moustapha Salifou, marauding through the middle, impressed. Indeed, there were times when the French breathed uneasily before redemption, at last, was theirs.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/worldcup2006/matchreport/0,,1804967,00.html
 

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WE ARE THE WORLD

GERMANY 2006 THIRSTING FOR VICTORY

Our short guide to countries still in the competition



GERMANY

History: Unified during the Franco-Prussian war in 1870/1871. Re-unified as it is now in 1990

Population: 82,431,390

Price of a pint: £2.48

Saying: If the rooster crows on the manure pile, the weather will change or stay as it is"

National dish: Sauerbraten - sour roast

Life expectancy: 77

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ENGLAND


History: Named after the Angles (Angleland), one of a number of Germanic tribes who settled in England in the fifth and sixth centuries

Population: 50.9 million (60 million as part of UK)

Price of a pint: £2.60

Saying: It's not my cup of tea

National dish: Fish and chips

Life expectancy: 78
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ARGENTINA

History: Discovered in 1515, independence from Spain in 1810 after a long campaign. Invaded British land in 1982

Population: 38 million

Price of a pint: 40p

Saying: Everyone has their own way of killing fleas

National dish: Asado - beef barbecue


Life expectancy: 76

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PORTUGAL


History: Became a nation on 24 June 1128, after Battle of Sao Mamede

Population: 10million

Price of pint: 70p

Saying: Past waters don't power mills

National dish: Bacalao - salt cod which can be cooked 365 different ways

Life expectancy: 77

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ITALY


History: Kingdom of Italy was set up on March 17, 1861

Population: 58million

Price of pint: £1.70

Saying: I don't give a damn

National dish: Pizza and pasta

Life expectancy: 80 years old

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BRAZIL


History: Claimed by Portuguese explorer Pedro Alvares Cabral in 1500 and won independence in 1891

Population: 184million

Price of a pint: 50p

Saying: Don't heat up your head

National dish: Feijoada: beans, beef, pork

Life expectancy: 71

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SPAIN


History: Formed in 1479 with the union of the Castile and Aragon kingdoms. By 16th century one of the world's most powerful nations

Population: 44 million

Price of a pint: £1.50

Saying: If you squat too low your bum will show

National dish: Paella

Life expectancy: 79
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SWITZERLAND


History: Taken by Romans then Germanic tribes.

Population: 7,450,874

Price of a pint: £3

National dish: R?sti (grated potatoes) with fried egg

Life expectancy: 80


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FRANCE


History: Conquered by the Romans (and almost everyone else). Area defined by Treaty of Verdun in AD 843.

Population: 60,424,213

Price of a pint: £2

Saying: We surrender

National dish: Frog's legs

Life expectancy: 80
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ECUADOR


History: Inca kingdom conquered by the Spain in 1553, independent in 1830 when a country called Gran Colombia split into 3 - Ecuador, Colombia and Venezuela

Population: 13.3 million

Price of a pint: 50p

Saying: You can tell of the miracle, but not the saint that did it

National dish: Cuy - roasted guinea pig

Life expectancy: 76
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SWEDEN (knocked out today)


History: Lived in homeland for 5,000 years, longer than any other European people. Neutral in world wars

Population: Nine million

Price of a pint: £4

Saying: Take your Peter out of school

National dish: Meatballs

Life expectancy: 80
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HOLLAND


History: Joined Roman Empire in 9th century and Burgundian Netherlands in 14th c.

Population: 16million

Price of pint: £3

Saying: Keep your clogs off the ice

National dish: Ertwensoep - thick pea soup with ham and sausage.

Life expectancy: 78 years old
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MEXICO


History: Ruled by the Aztecs until Spanish invaded in 1519, got independence in 1821

Population: 105million

Price of pint: 95p

Saying: If you were born to be a flowerpot, you'll never go further than the corridor

National dish: Chiles rellenos - stuffed peppers in batter
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GHANA


History: First discovered in 15th century. Achieved independence from Britain in 1957

Population: 21.9 million

Price of a pint: 20p

Saying: The family is like the forest

National dish: Fufu - pounded plaintain mixed with casaba

Life expectancy: 56
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AUSTRALIA


History: Captain Cook claimed it for Britain in the 17th century. Federated as the Commonweath of Australia in 1905.

Population: 20 million

Price of a pint: £1.20

Saying: We're off like prawns in the sun

National dish: Meat pie

Life expectancy: 80
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UKRAINE


History: Earliest Slavic state. Ruled by Lithuanians, Poles and Russians. Independent since 1991. Chernobyl killed 10,000.

Population: 47.7million

Price of a pint: 50p

Saying: "It may be worse but it's different."

National dish: Varenyky ??" ravioli

Life expectancy: 66


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Jersay

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Poor Sweden. Oh well. As long as England doesn't win (only 1 cup) I am know rooting for Brazil.

GHANA


History: First discovered in 15th century. Achieved independence from Britain in 1957

Population: 21.9 million

Price of a pint: 20p

Saying: The family is like the forest

National dish: Fufu - pounded plaintain mixed with casaba

Life expectancy: 56

Ghana wasn't discovered in the 15th century. It may be the first time Europeans arrived but it was there and it had an indigenous population and governance before the Europeans arrived and screwed up things.
 

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England bored Ecuador to death, then snuck in a free kick by that ghost, David Beckham.

England are getting by on sheer talent alone. Otherwise, they are simply dreadful. There is no movement, few intelligent balls and little understanding between the players. Terry and Lampard have been particularly bad.
 

Daz_Hockey

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I would agree toro, but it doesnt matter how you get there, it doesnt have to be pretty, just effective.

and it certainly was, personally I'd get rid of the 1 up front idea, Rooney played out of his skin, rolling the defenders away like bowling pins, but he cant do it al on his own, apart from the keeper (who flapped a HELL of a lot), the team were actually outstanding, Ashley Cole, Beckham, Rooney, Hargreaves and Gerrard were a different class.

if they play like that, it may bore you to death, but they could go all the way......nice picture by the way, what they need is a Gary Lineker....the man was a football god
 

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yes, but we dont need a french trophy to tell us who are the real masters, owners and creators of the world's most popular game...never did
 

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Portugal 1-0 Holland.

Portugal play England in the Quarter Final.

And very good news for England - Portugal had two red cards in this game, so those two players will miss the game against England. Ronaldo has also sustained an injury, so he might also miss the game against England. So the Portuguese may have to field a weakened side against England on Saturday.

England and Portugal have played 21 times against each other, with England winning 9 and Portugal winning 3. I think all the times that the two sides have met in the latter stages of the World Cup, England have won them all.

There was an amazing amount of bookings in this game - the most EVER in a World Cup game. There was the joint most amount of yellow cards and the most ever red cards.
 

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What a bad game. That was incredible and I feel sorry for the ref. Isn't FIFA supposably all about fair play? Big boost for England in the quarters.

Gold medal for diving: Robben (Ndl)
Silver medal for diving: Figo (Por)
Bronze medal for diving: Robben again
 

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Daz

I didn't think England played well at all. I thought Rooney, Gerrard, Ashely Cole, Carrick Robinson were okay to good, but Hargreaves kept giving the ball away. Terry was terrible. Ferdinand was mediocre, and seems to have little understanding with Terry. Lampard was brutal. Beckham did nothing until he scored. Same with Joe Cole who did nothing.

And look at the tactics. Why keep launching the ball downfield when you are not playing the one player who can make that system work in Crouch?

England should revert back to a 4-4-2, with Crouch coming on and Lampard coming off. That won't happen however, so sacrifice Carrick.

Thank goodness Portugal are going to have a bunch of players missing because Portugal are a better team.
 

Daz_Hockey

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see thats where we differ, the good teams, dont play well and grind out results, see what I mean, yes crouchie should have come on, I think Joe Cole dide well....Ashley Cole was superb, Terry, by his standards may hve had a poor game, but I refuse to believe Portugal are a better side, our Midfield is the best in the torniment, it's just getting the balance right, just like everyone else, it hasnt quite come together yet
 

fuflans

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I think it's worrying that England hasn't found the correct balance after four games.

Random question: Is the song that they play after every game the German language version of Go West? It sounds vaguely Soviet-esque and out of place.
 

Daz_Hockey

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well, it's better than using a song from their other side....

but tell me another favourite team that have found their form yet..Brazil, nope, France, nope, Argentina, maybe, Portugal, nope, Germany, maybe.

The others, I dont care who's listening, apart from England are just there to make up the numbers anyway