Widows of soldiers killed in Afghanistan face fight with banks over mortgages

Avro

Time Out
Feb 12, 2007
7,815
65
48
56
Oshawa
HALIFAX (CP) - Widows of Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan are tied up in a confusing fight of their own with banks that have delayed payment of their mortgages or claim they're not covered by insurance at all because their husbands died in combat.
Several women say they've been told by their financial institutions the mortgage insurance they've spent years paying into does not apply because their spouses died while at war.
Maureen Gillam, whose husband Sgt. Craig Gillam was killed last October in a rocket attack near Kandahar, said she received a letter just days ago stating she could not benefit from her mortgage insurance because of a so-called act of war clause.
"It does anger me a bit because when I bought my car, the salesman told us right up front that there is a war clause and it wouldn't be covered," she said in a recent interview from her home in Petawawa, Ont.
"But with them, they never brought it up. They knew he was in the military, they knew this was going on, why would you even get us to pay that without mentioning it?"
Gillam, 42, said she and her husband bought the mortgage insurance policy in 2005 from Home Loans Canada through their bank, Manulife Financial. At the time, she said they made it clear Craig was in the military, but that no one informed them the policy might not apply if the Newfoundland native was killed in combat.
It was only after she and relatives began going over the family documents that they came across the exclusion clause. Still, she filed the claim only to be told in a one-page letter that she would have to continue paying the monthly mortgage of about $450 for herself and her two teenage children.
"The policy under which insurance was issued with Home Loans Canada states that the insurer does not pay any benefit if death is due to war," the letter reads. "Given the circumstances of the late Mr. Gillam's death . . . we regret that we are unable to pay the benefits for this claim."
However, hours after a reporter questioned Manulife about the issue, the bank suddenly reversed its position and determined it would pay the entirety of the mortgage.
"Manulife has decided that it will make an extra contractual payment of the amount of insurance that would have been payable if there had been no exclusion clause," Manulife spokesman Tom Nunn stated in an e-mail.
Nunn said the bank is not changing its overall policy, but could review special cases like Gillam's to determine if the exclusion should be waived.
For others, too, the process has been mired in mixed messages and stress.
Kendra Mellish, whose husband Warrant Officer Frank Mellish died last September in a firefight in Afghanistan's Panjwaii district, said she was initially told she would likely not be able to collect on her mortgage insurance because of a war exclusion clause.
She pursued the issue with officials at the Bank of Montreal, who issued the policy near her home at New Brunswick's Canadian Forces Base Gagetown, and was told they'd look into it.
While awaiting an answer, Mellish, who has two children under the age of 15, was forced to continue paying her mortgage. Four months later, she says the bank revealed it had no such exclusion clause and would begin payments.
"Initially, it took a lot of work on my part and I didn't need that. I didn't need that at all," she said from Gagetown, adding that bank officials didn't notify her of any restrictions when she and her husband purchased the policy, even though they were both in the Forces.
A spokesman for the Bank of Montreal at its Toronto headquarters said he didn't believe the bank has ever had an act of war clause and said the confusion could have resulted from a misunderstanding at the local branch.
The issue became so aggravating for widowed spouses that Brig.-Gen. David Fraser, the Canadian who commanded NATO forces in southern Afghanistan for nine months last year, met with senior bank officials to sort out the matter.
Fraser, who didn't want to identify which banks he approached, became aware of the problem after women whose husbands were killed on his watch in Afghanistan raised it when he visited them at military bases after his deployment.
"We always want to put our people first," he said in a recent telephone interview. "We met with executives from a bank in Toronto to discuss the issue and told them we wanted it changed."
Some banks appear to have modified their policies to accommodate members of the Canadian Forces.
Royal Bank of Canada normally has a war exclusion clause, but spokeswoman Beja Rodeck said officials waived it late last year for any member of the Forces killed in combat in Afghanistan "as a gesture of support for our military."
Still, there remains a confusing patchwork approach to the insurance schemes, with some banks maintaining the exclusions and others placing no restrictions on their policies.
Cpl. Kelly Dove, whose husband Warrant Officer Rick Nolan died alongside Mellish last September, said there is so much apprehension and uncertainty surrounding the policies that families at her base in Petawawa are reviewing all of their insurance agreements to make sure they're covered.
Dove, 34, was initially told her mortgage would not be paid through the policy, which officials with Scotiabank said included an exclusion clause. She claims the bank didn't inform her of the clause when she purchased the insurance, even though both Dove and Nolan were in the military.
She and her sister-in-law sifted through all of the couple's paperwork and sent it in to the bank, which informed them after Christmas that the mortgage would be covered.
"I think we kicked up enough stink that they just looked it over and said, 'OK we'll let them have it,' " Dove, who has four children, said in an interview from Petawawa.
"I am satisfied now, but it's just upsetting to know that we had to go through such a procedure, and I hope things will change for the next tour because we know not everyone's coming home."

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/national/070211/n021124A.html

Gotta loves those bankers.:evil3:
 

RUEZ

Nominee Member
Feb 12, 2007
96
2
8
PG
OTTAWA (CP) - Finance Minister Jim Flaherty says he's going to bat for the widows of Canadian soldiers caught up in a mortgage-insurance fight with financial institutions.
Several widows of soldiers killed in Afghanistan say they were told by their banks or insurance companies that the mortgage insurance they've spent years paying into does not apply because their spouses died in combat.
Liberal MP Judy Sgro raised the matter in the House of Commons on Monday, asking what the government is doing to help the women.
"These individuals all deserve the highest respect and care from their government and all Canadians," Sgro said.
"When will they offer the widows and the families of our fallen soldiers automatic relief against future mortgage payments?"
Flaherty responded that he was "shocked" to hear about the situation and said he has already taken action.
"I made it clear to the banks today that I expect them to be generous in their treatment of all widows in this country. I await their response and I will be pleased to report to the House with respect to their response as soon as it is received."
Maureen Gillam, whose husband, Sgt. Craig Gillam, was killed last October in a rocket attack near Kandahar, said she received a letter days ago stating she could not benefit from her mortgage insurance because of a so-called act-of-war clause.
However, hours after a reporter questioned Manulife Financial about the issue, the institution reversed its position and determined it would pay off the mortgage.
Manulife spokesman Tom Nunn said the bank is not changing its overall policy, but could review special cases like Gillam's to determine if the exclusion should be waived.
For others, too, the process has been mired in mixed messages and stress.
Kendra Mellish, whose husband, Warrant Officer Frank Mellish, died last September in a firefight in Afghanistan, said she was initially told she would likely not be able to collect on her mortgage insurance because of a war exclusion clause.
She pursued the issue with officials at the Bank of Montreal, who issued the policy near her home at New Brunswick's Canadian Forces Base Gagetown, and was told they'd look into it.
While awaiting an answer, Mellish was forced to continue paying her mortgage. Four months later, she said the bank revealed it had no such exclusion clause and would begin payments.
A spokesman for the Bank of Montreal said he didn't believe the bank has ever had an act-of-war clause and said the confusion could have resulted from a misunderstanding at the local branch.
The issue became so aggravating for widowed spouses that Brig.-Gen. David Fraser, the Canadian who commanded NATO forces in southern Afghanistan for nine months last year, met with senior bank officials to sort out the matter.
Fraser, who didn't want to identify which banks he approached, became aware of the problem after women whose husbands were killed on his watch in Afghanistan raised it when he visited them at military bases after his deployment.
In another case, Cpl. Kelly Dove said she was initially told by Scotiabank that her mortgage would not be paid after her husband, Warrant Officer Rick Nolan, died last September.
But after Christmas, the bank informed her the mortgage would be covered.
Scotiabank spokesman Joe Konecny said Monday there should never have been any question that the bank would honour the policy.
"We do not have an act-of-war clause and never have," Konecny said in an interview from Toronto. "There may have been some confusion at the branch level and the wrong message was provided and we apologize for any confusion or inconvenience."
 

tamarin

House Member
Jun 12, 2006
3,197
22
38
Oshawa ON
What the military aka the Canadian government should do is pay for riders to make sure a soldier's coverage is- bullet proof. If you look at my area at the moment, after the infamous flood of 2004, no home is covered without the purchase of a rider. I can see the banks requesting one on this but it should be anticipated by and paid for by the government.
 

Curiosity

Senate Member
Jul 30, 2005
7,326
138
63
California
God how do these companies live with themselves...... they must sleep with the bags of gold...

Anyone signed on to the military and sent out of country should have his or her assets protected until back home.... the military should have seen that all their
people are guaranteed no change in their livelihood for themselves or their families.

And the Bank/Mortgage company? Put them out of business.
 
Last edited:

leppy1@telus.net

New Member
Feb 13, 2007
1
0
1
Greedy sob's

Well, I for one will not subscribe to the services of any bank, or insurance company who deny these widows/ers their rightful benefits. These People died defending the rights of these Companies to exist.

Leppy
 

MikeyDB

House Member
Jun 9, 2006
4,612
63
48
Canadians have supported banks governments and social institutions that have underpaid and unnecessarily burdened service people and their families for generations....

Canadians are pleased to send men and women to do their dying for them...but really hate to even think about how lousy these families and people are treated...

Canadians....mindless and ingnorant...
 

Libra Girl

Electoral Member
Feb 27, 2006
723
21
18
50
What the military aka the Canadian government should do is pay for riders to make sure a soldier's coverage is- bullet proof. If you look at my area at the moment, after the infamous flood of 2004, no home is covered without the purchase of a rider. I can see the banks requesting one on this but it should be anticipated by and paid for by the government.

Good points! Hit the nail on the head!
 

tamarin

House Member
Jun 12, 2006
3,197
22
38
Oshawa ON
Libra, 'tis true. That's why we have bureaucracies. To mull over the bigger questions and get them right. Every soldier should be fully covered. But I wonder, given how dangerous the Afghan mission is, and being the cynic I am, if a soldier would not be remiss in his family duties if he didn't insist his family purchase a house before he departs.
 

Libra Girl

Electoral Member
Feb 27, 2006
723
21
18
50
Libra, 'tis true. That's why we have bureaucracies. To mull over the bigger questions and get them right. Every soldier should be fully covered. But I wonder, given how dangerous the Afghan mission is, and being the cynic I am, if a soldier would not be remiss in his family duties if he didn't insist his family purchase a house before he departs.

Oh I entirely agree with your post that I quoted! However, a soldier might not have the wherewithal to purchase a family home before he departs.

But your suggestion of a 'rider' for those soldiers that do own their own homes, and have insurance policies, was a very good point.
 

eh1eh

Blah Blah Blah
Aug 31, 2006
10,750
106
63
Under a Lone Palm
Just heard on CBC radio, Banks will not use the act of war clause to welch on the mortgage insurane claims of widows.
Guess the publicity paided off.
 

Colpy

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 5, 2005
21,887
848
113
71
Saint John, N.B.
Just heard on CBC radio, Banks will not use the act of war clause to welch on the mortgage insurane claims of widows.
Guess the publicity paided off.

That is exactly it.

BANKERS ARE SCUM.

Believe me, I deal with banks every single day. There is something wrong with the heads of those in management at banks.

The horror stories I could tell......
 

MikeyDB

House Member
Jun 9, 2006
4,612
63
48
Yeah Colpy...I can agree with that description....

After posting billions in profits these SCUM still think its perfectly acceptable to charge people for having access to their own money....

ATM machines are a convenience for many....critical to a few...like me....

Bankers are SCUM and Canadian banks are as guilty of profiteering at the expense of Canadians as any hooligan politician you can name...

The pinnacle of Canadian greed second only to the petroleum industry...
 

RUEZ

Nominee Member
Feb 12, 2007
96
2
8
PG
MikeyDB said:
Bankers are SCUM and Canadian banks are as guilty of profiteering at the expense of Canadians as any hooligan politician you can name...

The pinnacle of Canadian greed second only to the petroleum industry...
The difference is you now have a choice. There are bank accounts available that offer free banking.
 
Last edited: