Why We should Say "No NDP".

[Hunter]

RE: Why We should Say "No

and for the record when did the NDP build my roads, give me any breaks or anything else. i dont think an NDPer will ever win in my area.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

you "gangster wannabees" in seattle

slight diversion........ Hunter: this is out of line. You might want to edit it a tad ........as that is inflamatory. Understand that you are new here.......but a wee bit of caution about such phrasing is called for.

thanks.

 

[Hunter]

slight diversion........ Hunter: this is out of line. You might want to edit it a tad ........as that is inflamatory. Understand that you are new here.......but a wee bit of caution about such phrasing is called for.

thanks.

simply making a generalization about people who live in urban areas and are out of touch with reality mr breeze, intention not meant to offend.

 

[Reverend Blair]

i have respect for my elders more then you "gangster wannabees" in seattle.

Zen happens to be a Canadian from Winnipeg, Hunter. He is not only your elder, he's your better. Show him some respect before one of the adults around here turns you over their knee and tans your ass like the spoiled brat you are.

what i said was that NDP supporters are usually people who have failed in like and want the gov to take care of them. not they dont want lower taxes...because they dont pay taxes, they are more worried about gay people than the hardworking people who grow their food.

<snip ... Same to you Rev. Tone it down.>How many taxes do you pay? How many days have you worked in your life? I'll bet not many.

The NDP is made up of working people. Hard working people. They pay taxes. The didn't build the roads in your province, but they sure as hell built the roads in Saskatchewan. They're still rebuilding those roads after some lazy Conservatives came to power and almost destroyed the province.

 

[MMMike]

Shorten the waiting list for the rest of us.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention...waiting lists are getting shorter.

:roll: Yes, after tens of $billions, the waiting period for some procedures is down a fraction of a day. Very impressive!

 

[Jo Canadian]

You gotta start somewhere I guess. The trick is, is to take what's reducing times fractionally and improve on it over time.

 

[peapod]

Who is gonna argue with a cigar smoking teddy bear eh? hehehehe, love your avartar Jo. 8) Slightly off topic, but interesting now the less

 

[Jay]

I don't think that's a cigar the teddy is smoken....

 

[peapod]

In my world, he is smoking a cigar. I won't pretend to know everything if you won't pretend to be a flying muskrat. :lol: :lol:

 

[Briteyes]

[2. Losing Canada's public healthcare frightens most Canadians, even the conservative voters. For the past few years, more people have been turning to the NDP to preserve a completely free Medicare system. The strict idea that healthcare must be free for all, without any cost, seems to supercede the rationale that has proven that a 100% public healthcare system, that is expected to run efficiently, cannot possibly sustain itself much longer. Canadians seem to be so frightened that they will lose their free coverage, that they seem to completely disregard the facts. The facts are simple: public healthcare, the way it is now, is not efficient. Billions of dollars worth of taxpayer's money is spent year after year trying to sustain a public sector that is failing its patients. The cost to support a 100% free healthcare plan for all Canadians is staggering. If the current system doesn't bankrupt our country, it will implode further, and face the potential of being lost entirely. A two tier system has proven to maintain levels of public healthcare, while still preserving astounding levels of healthcare for low income families. Furthermore, allowing those who can afford it, to pay private sectors for their own surgeries and treatments, would free space on public waiting lists for those who cannot afford their own treatment.
/]


Ok lets just say for arguments sake you are right lets go with your 2 tier system and then lets reap the benifits of that like for instance 10,000.00 in insurance premiums per year. Name a ordinary family that can afford that and also if you get cancer or anything like that once you have reached your health care cap you are S.O.L. so then I guess waiting times don't mean very much then do they. We need our public health care system that provides health care for all. There are however things we can do like stop using our emergency rooms for non emergencies. That would save millions of dollars and perhaps billions.

I am sending a url which clearly states the cost of medical insurance in the USA
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-03-16-healthcost_x.htm

 

[Reverend Blair]

The other like allowing private healthcare into the country is that our present system gives us an economic advantage. It significantly brings down employer costs. GM pointed that out a while ago. Toyota mentioned it too.

Now stop and consider what they'll do when trying to decide if their expansion should og into Canada or one of the slave states or Mexico. They'll tack several thousand per year on in benefit cost per employee in Canada.

 

[Jay]

Ok lets just say for arguments sake you are right lets go with your 2 tier system and then lets reap the benifits of that like for instance 10,000.00 in insurance premiums per year. Name a ordinary family that can afford that and also if you get cancer or anything like that once you have reached your health care cap you are S.O.L. so then I guess waiting times don't mean very much then do they. We need our public health care system that provides health care for all. There are however things we can do like stop using our emergency rooms for non emergencies. That would save millions of dollars and perhaps billions.

I'm certainly not under the impression that it would cost my family 10K a year to support ourselves in healthcare. And there are lots, and lots of families making well over 100K that could afford that sort of fee (if it really was that high.) With the advent of a blended system, I would also expect to see a serious decrease in taxes.

All we want is a system that users are expected to pay what they can afford and the poor are taken care of by the government.

There is a role for different governments in healthcare but having the feds run the entire system, isn't one of them. IMO.

 

[Calberty]

Sorry, this election is largely about ethics.. it's the reason the governmnet was brought down. I'm still waiting for Jack Layton to have the courage to distance himself from a thief like Sven Robinson.

Layton needs to wipe that smirk off his face and finally understand that millions of Canadian workers and farmers are going to vote for the Liberals and Conservatives in much greater numbers than the NDP precisely because the NDP would rather run a THIEF in this election than reflect the principles of most Canadians.

The Maclean's article said it best when it denounced the Robinson nomination as the NDP's lack of a princpled stand

 

[no1important]

RE: Why We should Say "No

:roll: is about all I can about your post. I guess we will find out Jan 23 what the verdict is on Svend.

 

[Calberty]

:roll:

The verdict will be in on the NDP Party

After 17 Federal elections and they will come in fourth in the House of Commons with less than half the seats of the Third place party (again!). :wink:

 

[Reverend Blair]

:roll:

Hey, Calberty, how come you aren't more concerned about Day and Toews and the Conservatives supporting Cargill and Tyson over the farmers? Those are all instances of ethics failing and being directly related to government. They are all instances of Conservative corruption.

 

[Calberty]

We have you as a champion pointing out their foibles.

i'll stick to pointing out that the NDP has a convicted THIEF running as a candidate and that Layton signed his papers and thinks that Sven Robinson, a convicted thief, will make a great addition to the NDP Party in Ottawa. Evertime ethics comes up in the House of Commons, Layton can point to Robinson, and remind Canadians that morality should never get in the way.

 

[Reverend Blair]

:roll: More spam from Calberty the single track spambot.

 

[Jo Canadian]

It's Interesting that this project has been conceived in Alberta an it actually is not part any private type system, this should make things a little interesting:Surgery wait times drop dramatically under Alberta pilot project

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Why We should Say "No

Hmmm...that looks like something taken right out of the Romanow Report.