Why The Towers Fell

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Hundreds of professional engineers and architects, working independently of the government, have made statements and produced original research on the use of explosives and controlled demolition in the WTC on 9/11.its got nothing to do with your pathetic excuse of elevator shafts were the doors open on every level ,not a explosion blowing out a window (according to you that is)

What like your elevator theory popping windows and fire brought down all of these buildings " pah" and a plane hit the pentagon...??? more of your nonsense not mine m8ty

No bud it couldent not if the doors were shut ever thought of that explaine
Nope, this isn't me building an elevator entrance...


Nope, this isn't me at Pearson International Airport, while my company installs the elevator parts we manufactured for ThyssenKrupp...



Nope, these aren't elevator frames and I don't know a thing about elevators, elevator shafts or how the wind wistles down them so hard that it will take your helmet off. Nope, none of that is a FACT!!!







hundreds of reports use the word squib to describe what happen get over your self cndbear your trying and failing to make any seance with this obvious FACT that they call them SQUIBS
I have nothing to get over, I know what a squib is and all of you are using the word incorrectly.

That isn't my fault and surely doesn't matter how many people use it wrong, that doesn't make it right. It makes them dumb.
 

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arnit elevator doors normally shut cndbear ....?

The only real investigation into 9/11 is that which has been undertaken entirely independently of the government and in opposition to its findings—including an important analysis written by Patrick Martin of the World Socialist Web Site that has been cited in a number of books which have exposed the falsifications and absurdities of the official version of events.
To cite only a very few of the facts that expose the cover-up orchestrated by the 9/11 Commission:
*The governments of Germany, Egypt, Russia and Israel gave the United States specific advance warnings of an impending attack using hijacked airplanes.

*President Bush received a CIA briefing on August 6, 2001, five weeks before the attacks, warning that Al Qaeda might be planning to hijack airplanes. The briefing referred to the existence of Al Qaeda cells in California and New York.

*The arrest of Zacarias Moussaoui in August 2001 placed at the disposal of the government information that could leave no doubt that a terrorist operation involving the hijacking of airplanes and their use as bombs was being set into operation. The Pan Am International Flight Academy in Minnesota informed the FBI of its concern that Moussaoui might be planning to hijack an airplane.

*Mohamed Atta, who has been identified as a leader of the conspiracy, was monitored by the German Police throughout 1999, and the FBI followed his movements in 2000. In January 2001, Atta was permitted to enter the United States even though his status as a student taking flying lessons—of which he informed immigration authorities—was in explicit violation of the terms of his tourist visa. The extraordinary ease with which Atta went about his work in the United States is summed up very well by writer Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed in his book, The War on Truth:
“In summary, despite being well known to authorities, Mohamed Atta seems to have led a rather charmed life...He had been under surveillance by US agents between January and May 2000 due to his suspicious purchase of large amounts of chemicals, which might be used to make explosives. In January 2001 he was detained by INS agents at Miami International Airport for 57 minutes due to previously overstaying a visa and failing to produce a proper visa to enter the US to train at a Florida flight school. But that did not stop him. Despite the FBI’s longstanding concern that terrorists might be attending flight schools in the US, Atta was allowed to enroll in the Florida flight school. By April 2001, he was stopped by police for driving without a license. He failed to show up in court in May and a bench warrant was issued for his arrest. But that did not stop him either, because the warrant was never executed—although he was subsequently arrested for drunk driving on two more occasions. Throughout this period in the US, Atta never made any attempt to operate under an alias, traveling, living, and studying at the flight school under his real name. Stranger still, Atta was in regular email contact with current and former employees of major US defense contractors, as revealed by the regular email list of some 40 individuals he maintained, discovered by the FBI in September 2001. ...
“It is hard to interpret this sequence of events in a benign light. In short, it seems to be an unavoidable—if inexplicable—conclusion that the US government knowingly and repeatedly granted free passage to a confirmed terrorist to enter the United States and undergo flight training” [Olive Branch Press, Northampton, Mass. 2005, pp. 205-06].

*No less extraordinary than the VIP treatment extended by the US government to Atta was the hospitality it offered other 9/11 hijackers. Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almidhar were known by the CIA to have attended a so-called “summit meeting” of Al Qaeda in January 2000. Their movements were tracked by the CIA for more than a year, but neither had any problem entering the United States. Almidhar returned to the United States with a multi-entry visa that was renewed in June 2001, although he had been linked to the October 2000 bombing of the USS Cole.

*Another future participant in the 9/11 hijackings, Ziad Samir Jarrah, was detained for several hours for questioning on the explicit instructions of the US government when he arrived at Dubai International Airport on January 30, 2001. One must assume that this would not have occurred if the United States did not have serious reasons to be concerned about the activities of this individual. Despite this incident, Mr. Jarrah was able to enter the United States eight months later and enroll in a flight school
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/sep2006/9111-s11.shtml
 

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Videos Show Building 7's Vertical Collapse

The survival of several video recordings of Building 7's collapse, though of low resolution, allow study of the building's motion and the time of collapse.
Each of the following videos shows the entire visible portion of the building falling with a vertical precision otherwise seen only in controlled demolition. Moreover, they show that the collapse took only about 6.5 seconds from start to finish. That rate of fall is within a second of the time it would take an object to fall from the building's roof with no air resistance.


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[SIZE=+0]This 36-second video shows Building 7 from an elevated vantage point to the distant northeast. [/SIZE]
video from an NBC news camera - 1.5MB - mpeg
[SIZE=+0]This 9-second video shows the Building 7 collapse from a vantage point about mile to the northeast on West Broadway. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+0]This 9.6-second video shows the Building 7 collapse from a vantage point only about 1000 feet to the north. [/SIZE]
 

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arnit elevator doors normally shut cndbear ....?


http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/sep2006/9111-s11.shtml
Aren't elevator doors thin sheet metal doors that can not, could not hold up against that kind of pressure?

Yes they are, thin, sheet metal doors. Unable to hold up to the pressure that came down that shaft. The mechanism that closes them isn't a vault type mechanism either.

They're simple doors to stop people from falling down the shaft, not stop a building from blowing through them.

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Aren't elevator doors thin sheet metal doors that can not, could not hold up against that kind of pressure?

Yes they are, thin, sheet metal doors. Unable to hold up to the pressure that came down that shaft. The mechanism that closes them isn't a vault type mechanism either.

They're simple doors to stop people from falling down the shaft, not stop a building from blowing through them.

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Don't elevator doors close together..? ,not swing open like ordinary doors, are you telling me that they blow open like a swing door because of the air pressure, cos it would take tremendous pressure to do that, and your theory sucks any how your just presuming that's what happen, and it ain't true and YOU KNOW IT .
Frequently Asked Questions: Controlled Demolition

9-11 Research provides abundant evidence and analysis concerning the total destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7. See this directory. We think that the evidence strongly supports the conclusion that all three buildings were destroyed by planned demolitions, and were not the result of plane crashes and fires. The following questions are frequently asked by people encountering the idea of the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center buildings. Other questions are addressed in other FAQs.

http://911research.wtc7.net/faq/demolition.html

Supposing that Building 7 was brought down by controlled demolition. Doesn't the fact that the Twin Towers came down in such a different fashion prove that they were not destroyed by controlled demolition?

Controlled demolitions can be engineered in many different ways. Normally, the purpose of a controlled demolition is to remove a structure while avoiding damage to adjacent structures, and to do so economically. Typically, a tall building is demolished by placing thousands of cutter charges adjacent to columns throughout the building, then detonating them in a precise order, starting with interior structures, and progressing outward and upward. Destroying the interior columns allows unsupported weight to pull the exterior inward, and destroying the building from the ground up allows the weight of the building to be harnessed to do much of the destruction. The result is an implosion, producing a vertical collapse and a consolidated rubble pile.

The objective of controlled demolition applied to the Twin Towers was the decidedly different one of producing collapses that could be explained as having been caused by the aircraft crashes and fire damage. Hence, the destruction was started around the crash zones and then moved downward.

How could the Twin Towers, with so many tenants, and so many columns (240 perimeter columns, and 47 core columns) be wired for a controlled demolition without the operation being noticed?

This question, like the previous one, assumes that the demolition of the Twin Towers would have to look like a conventional one, with fuses and large numbers of cutting charges. First, understand that the demolitions could have been engineered using wireless operations. Attack Scenario 404 describes how the charges could have been activated via radio signals in a precise fashion controlled by a computer. Second, the demolitions may have been achieved without accessing the perimeter columns. The fact that the Twin Towers exploded into vast clouds of pulverized concrete, hurling steel assemblies up to 500 feet in all directions shows that they were destroyed with much more energy than a conventional demolition -- perhaps two orders of magnitude more. That gave the planners much more leeway in the placement of charges required to totally destroy the buildings. The core structures contained the building services such as elevators, and plumbing and cabling shafts. It would have been easy for people who controlled building security to surreptitiously install devices in hidden portions of the cores.

How could charges have been pre-positioned in the Towers in such a way that the plane crashes and fires wouldn't have set them off?

There are several possible answers to this. First, some charges may indeed have been set off by the crashes but masked by the huge fireballs created by the combustion of aerosolized jet fuel. Second, the charges could have been arranged so as to avoid the regions that the attack planners expected to take direct hits from the aircraft. Assuming that the jetliners were being flown by autopilot at the times of their impacts, the GPS navigation systems could have kept the targeting error margin to within a few feet. Third, explosives can be engineered so that heat alone will not detonate them. The plastic explosive C4, for example, requires the simultaneous delivery of high heat and pressure to induce detonation. Fourth, it is relatively easy to design casings for explosives that would allow them to survive even the most violent assaults. Consider that the black boxes that store aircrafts' voice and data recorders protect their contents from impact accelerations of 3,400 Gs and from temperatures of 2,000 F for up to 30 minutes.

Even if the Twin Towers were destroyed by explosives, is it correct to call them controlled demolitions when they don't look anything like cases previously seen? And what was controlled about the Towers being exploded?

The collapses were very chaotic events which don't look very controlled. However, they must have been carefully engineered. In addition to having to determine the quantities and placement of explosives necessary to achieve the total destruction of the Towers, the planners had to plan the timing of their detonations with some precision. It is clear from photographs and videos of the Towers' destruction that the zones of destruction moved downward at about the same rates as the exploding rubble clouds descended, so that these zones remained concealed by the clouds. If these zones of destruction moved either too quickly or too slowly, they would would have become visible below or above the rubble clouds, blatantly contradicting the official account of gravity-driven collapses.

Does the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers by insiders necessarily mean that the attack was an inside job? Is is possible that the Towers were prepared for demolition years in advance as part of a contingency plan to bring the towers down symmetrically should a terrorist attack threaten to topple them?

This theory is not even remotely plausible. First, such a plan would be highly illegal and require a level of secrecy on par with the engineering of the attack itself. Any leak of the plan to reporters, law enforcement, insurance companies, or tenants would empty the Trade Center and trigger an avalanche of lawsuits. Who would work in a skyscraper laced with bombs?

Second, there would be no rationale for such a plan, since no skyscraper had ever collapsed. The 1993 garage bombing did not even come close to threatening Towers' structural integrity. Third, whoever made the decision to trigger the demolitions did so knowing there were hundreds of firefighters, and perhaps thousands of civilians, still alive within the Towers. Since adjacent buildings had been evacuated, that decision was an act of mass homicide with no conceivable justification in lives or property saved. Fourth, any plan to destroy the Towers as a safety precaution would presumably have looked something like a conventional demolition, with charges starting at ground level -- not at specific points near the tops that happened to correspond to the plane crashes.
 

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Don't elevator doors close together..? ,not swing open like ordinary doors, are you telling me that they blow open like a swing door because of the air pressure, cos it would take tremendous pressure to do that, and your theory sucks any how your just presuming that's what happen, and it ain't true and YOU KNOW IT .
Ya, you got me quandary...:roll:

I'll take some snap shots of what an elevator door looks like and post them. I don't have any in my PC. So you know what quandary? I'll go in on Monday and seeing as I have a fresh contract on the go, making the very doors you know oh so much about. I'll take you some personalised pic's.

Showing you exactly what an elevator door looks like, on the inside.

It ain't much, kind of like your argument and your capacity to learn.
 

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Ya, riiiiight. If that were the case, there would have been an investigation into the supposed botched investigation...

There have been hundreds of top experts that have come forward and said the investigation was flawed.

Keep trying to convince yourself of some supposed superiority Scotty.

I've never said I was superior to anyone!?! In fact I have said I think the differences between people are minuscule.

Self confidence problem CDNBear?
 

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Ya, you got me quandary...:roll:

I'll take some snap shots of what an elevator door looks like and post them. I don't have any in my PC. So you know what quandary? I'll go in on Monday and seeing as I have a fresh contract on the go, making the very doors you know oh so much about. I'll take you some personalised pic's.

Showing you exactly what an elevator door looks like, on the inside.

It ain't much, kind of like your argument and your capacity to learn.

Don't waste you film bud i ain't interested in your crackpot conspiracy theory about the elevator shafts causing the collapse ok
 

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Don't waste you film bud i ain't interested in your crackpot conspiracy theory about the elevator shafts causing the collapse ok
Ummm, where exactly did I state the WTC collapsed because of the elevator shafts?

This only proves you have a limited ability to intake raw data, no wonder you come off so delusional.

There have been hundreds of top experts that have come forward and said the investigation was flawed.
That still doesn't make the official story a lie.
I've never said I was superior to anyone!?! In fact I have said I think the differences between people are minuscule.
Although you claim to be in the majority...
Self confidence problem CDNBear?
I don't claim to be in the majority. I'm quite self confident to stand on my own.

I was just pointing out a glaring inaccuracy in your commentary.
 

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Jetliner Compared to Missile

Boeing 757, Boeing 737, Airbus 320

Tomhawk criuse missile and Global Hawk UAV


what realy hit the pentagon


Typical Crash Debris

Types of crashes:
  • Crash landings
  • Uncontrolled crashes into terrain
Variables: speed, impact inclination, ground type
High-speed crashes shatter aircraft.


Impact Damage Claims

Claims that impact damage doesn't fit a 757:
  • Aren't based on comparable cases
  • Are often based on erroneous damage description
 

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A straw-man claim: There's no marks on the lawn.
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Because the nutters miss the berm the plane is seen bouncing off of just before impact. Not to mention all the people that swore they saw a plane. Since the plane was merely 20 to 50 feet above them as it flew into the Pentagon...I guess that leaves a ton of room to imagine it was just a plane and not a missile...:roll:
 

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That still doesn't make the official story a lie.

True, it just means it most likely is.

Although you claim to be in the majority...
I don't claim to be in the majority. I'm quite self confident to stand on my own.

What I do know is that we have motive, opportunity and a smoking gun in the physics of 9/11. Also a conviction in the court of public opinion, while not totally accurate it is pretty accurate and since it's enough to base our government (democracy aka public opinion) on it's also enough to think the government was involved. I also understand Pearl Harbour, Northwood and other false flag operations so I see too that some political elite scum are not beneath such things.

I was just pointing out a glaring inaccuracy in your commentary.

Good, I appreciate that :lol: I would hate to be on a forum where we all had to agree.
 

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True, it just means it most likely is.
That's a matter of perception, not fact.
What I do know is that we have motive, opportunity and a smoking gun in the physics of 9/11. Also a conviction in the court of public opinion, while not totally accurate it is pretty accurate and since it's enough to base our government (democracy aka public opinion) on it's also enough to think the government was involved. I also understand Pearl Harbour, Northwood and other false flag operations so I see too that some political elite scum are not beneath such things.
I would agree, I have long held the belief that events such as then ones you have sighted, were allowed to happen, to justify military acts.

Note my choice of words...'allowed to happen'. Not made to happen, not participated in. But the foreknowledge thereof and subsequent complicity, in allowing to take place.

But the absurdity of the notion, that the WTC was a controlled demolition, is behold belief.

Good, I appreciate that :lol: I would hate to be on a forum where we all had to agree.
I never said you couldn't. But when one sees a glaring falsehood, they should take steps to make known the truth. Which is based on fact, not supposition, assumption and innuendo.

Again, perception...are you following me here?
 

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have a good look at the lawn
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/200109114a_hr.jpg

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight77.html

Do you see any burn marks, skid marks, or plane debris on the Pentagon's lawn?
According to officials, the explosion at the Pentagon was caused when American Airlines Flight 77, a 100 ton Boeing 757 commercial airliner, crashed at ground level into the only section of the building that was being renovated to be more "blast resistant" and which housed the fewest amount of employees in it. Flight 77 was allegedly hijacked by five Arab Islamic terrorists on an apparent suicide mission killing all 64 people on board. Officials claim the the flight recorders from Flight 77 and the remains of all but one of the 64 passengers on board where found at the crash scene.

A French website,
Hunt the Boeing!, set off a fire storm suggesting that the explosion at the Pentagon could not have been caused by a Boeing 757 because of the relatively small amount of damage done to the building, contradictory eyewitness accounts, and from the lack of plane debris. They suggest that the explosion might have been caused by a missile and that this incident was perpetrated by extremist rightwing factions in the U.S. government.

This site attempts to analyze the evidence further to help you make up your own mind as to what really happened at the Pentagon.


Pentagon security video.​


 
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