Why is Canada a member of G8?
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RE: Why is Canada a membe
I think that if the only form of measuring relevance is economic power, this world is too screwed up to save.
I think that if the only form of measuring relevance is economic power, this world is too screwed up to save.
RE: Why is Canada a membe
Not the way it is measured because the costs of the damage inflicted in the name of profit are never accounted for.
Not the way it is measured because the costs of the damage inflicted in the name of profit are never accounted for.
Re: RE: Why is Canada a membe
Here Here!
Vote for me. I'll make things right or i'll give you the choice of my execution.
Reverend Blair said:
Here Here!
Vote for me. I'll make things right or i'll give you the choice of my execution.
Won't matter...once i'm ruler of Canada it will all be one riding anyway. I intend to make us the un-opposed Leader of the G1 nations on this puny planet.
No happy promises or delusional "plans of action". Just plain and simple socialist authority. Tough and firm...but with Heart.
No happy promises or delusional "plans of action". Just plain and simple socialist authority. Tough and firm...but with Heart.
Aitrus has done his homework and is exactly right. The Liberals have introduced no economic programs on their own. The only thing they did was slash spending in the first term, then pretend to be the saviour of all the programs the cut funding from. Hypocritically of course.
The Libs have ridden the coattails of NAFTA and GST without having to change anything, even though they opposed both. GST was brought in to replace a hidden manufacturers sales tax that could be changed and adjusted every budget at the whim of the government in power, thus increasing (usually) prices, as the MST was increased. Yes, this tax was taken off the manufacturers and shifted to consumers, but prices on many products decreased, and the fact that the GST rate of 7% has not changed, as opposed to the usual annual change of the hidden MST, is proof that this has worked.
NAFTA on the other hand has taken Canada into the world market, and away from the protectionists that would have us close our borders to all trade and commerce, and pay over inflated prices for Canadian produced goods because we would be unable to sell these same goods on a world market. The jobs it has created are incredible, and the fact the we do over a billion dollars PER DAY trade with the worlds largest trading nation, the US, is proof that is has been successful. Without this free trade, we would be up the creek, with massive inflation, and paying over inflated prices on Canadian produced goods.
In short, Aitrus is exactly right. The Libs had no cajones to do what was needed, the Conservatives did, and the Libs, even though they campaigned against both the GST and NAFTA, have been the beneficiaries of the conservatives policies doing what was right for Canada, not just for places they can get votes. Compare that with the Liberals, and you will find that the Libs only do what benefits them, with the interests of the country being a distant second priority.
The Libs have ridden the coattails of NAFTA and GST without having to change anything, even though they opposed both. GST was brought in to replace a hidden manufacturers sales tax that could be changed and adjusted every budget at the whim of the government in power, thus increasing (usually) prices, as the MST was increased. Yes, this tax was taken off the manufacturers and shifted to consumers, but prices on many products decreased, and the fact that the GST rate of 7% has not changed, as opposed to the usual annual change of the hidden MST, is proof that this has worked.
NAFTA on the other hand has taken Canada into the world market, and away from the protectionists that would have us close our borders to all trade and commerce, and pay over inflated prices for Canadian produced goods because we would be unable to sell these same goods on a world market. The jobs it has created are incredible, and the fact the we do over a billion dollars PER DAY trade with the worlds largest trading nation, the US, is proof that is has been successful. Without this free trade, we would be up the creek, with massive inflation, and paying over inflated prices on Canadian produced goods.
In short, Aitrus is exactly right. The Libs had no cajones to do what was needed, the Conservatives did, and the Libs, even though they campaigned against both the GST and NAFTA, have been the beneficiaries of the conservatives policies doing what was right for Canada, not just for places they can get votes. Compare that with the Liberals, and you will find that the Libs only do what benefits them, with the interests of the country being a distant second priority.
Re: RE: Why is Canada a member of G8?
It replaced an excise tax of, I think, 18% on manufactured goods.
Jay said:
It replaced an excise tax of, I think, 18% on manufactured goods.
Blackleaf said:
You should add France, seeing as the difference between the UK and France is so little. And France and the UK exchange 4th spot almost every year.
Re: RE: Why is Canada a member of G8?
Oui.
The point is, that the breakeven point for tar sands development is about $26/bbl. At $40/bbl and above, the massive capital infusion that is required to expand tar sands development starts to pay off in a reasonable amount of time. Currently, at $60/bbl they are building extraction capacity as fast as they can.
Since the US is a great big energy sponge, we are able to sell pretty much every barrell produced directly into the US market. It may take a year or more for production to ramp up, but the Canadian GDP is going to grow faster than most of the G8 as long as oil remains above $40/bbl.
Numure said:
Oui.
The point is, that the breakeven point for tar sands development is about $26/bbl. At $40/bbl and above, the massive capital infusion that is required to expand tar sands development starts to pay off in a reasonable amount of time. Currently, at $60/bbl they are building extraction capacity as fast as they can.
Since the US is a great big energy sponge, we are able to sell pretty much every barrell produced directly into the US market. It may take a year or more for production to ramp up, but the Canadian GDP is going to grow faster than most of the G8 as long as oil remains above $40/bbl.
RE: Why is Canada a membe
And Alberta will continue to bitch that it doesn't get to keep it all...
And Alberta will continue to bitch that it doesn't get to keep it all...
Re: RE: Why is Canada a member of G8?
The MST, which was hidden, was subject to change each and every federal budget.
Toro said:
The MST, which was hidden, was subject to change each and every federal budget.
to respond to the beginning of this...
(re mrmom's comment on paying down the debt is stupid)
mrmom you are an idiot. For every dollar in debt we pay more interest every year. If we paid down our debt, which is something the Liberals are doing slowly but surely (while every other party from my information would add to it) we would have approximately 25% money some of which would go to your insane social programs.
Approximately 1/5 of every tax dollar goes to paying interest. If you add to the national debt taxes will have to be raised to keep the same services.
Canada however currently has more debt per GDP than the most countries, including the U.S. however we are the only country in the G8 that is suceeding in paying it down.
I have to agree with Numure though, we are doing amazing for the amount of people we have, and it was only inevitable that when countries that have many more people put themselves in order they would make more money than us.
However if we want more influence there is one thing we need to do... get a bigger army. Not that we have to do anything but peacekeep with it, but many more people are going to listen to the person with a large army that boycotts a war than him who would not have been able to help anyways.
As for what I think should be done on the monetary front? Pay down the debt every year and increase spending on both social programs and lower taxes with the money that has been freed up. Sort of close to what we are doing right now.
and for the comments being raised right now: yes I do think that the conservatives have done some good, but they also do a lot of harm. Name one great conservative Priminister other than John A. Macdonald (Diefenbaker doesn't count, he was a good orator, though not an administrator; he made an excellent official opposition).
(re mrmom's comment on paying down the debt is stupid)
mrmom you are an idiot. For every dollar in debt we pay more interest every year. If we paid down our debt, which is something the Liberals are doing slowly but surely (while every other party from my information would add to it) we would have approximately 25% money some of which would go to your insane social programs.
Approximately 1/5 of every tax dollar goes to paying interest. If you add to the national debt taxes will have to be raised to keep the same services.
Canada however currently has more debt per GDP than the most countries, including the U.S. however we are the only country in the G8 that is suceeding in paying it down.
I have to agree with Numure though, we are doing amazing for the amount of people we have, and it was only inevitable that when countries that have many more people put themselves in order they would make more money than us.
However if we want more influence there is one thing we need to do... get a bigger army. Not that we have to do anything but peacekeep with it, but many more people are going to listen to the person with a large army that boycotts a war than him who would not have been able to help anyways.
As for what I think should be done on the monetary front? Pay down the debt every year and increase spending on both social programs and lower taxes with the money that has been freed up. Sort of close to what we are doing right now.
and for the comments being raised right now: yes I do think that the conservatives have done some good, but they also do a lot of harm. Name one great conservative Priminister other than John A. Macdonald (Diefenbaker doesn't count, he was a good orator, though not an administrator; he made an excellent official opposition).
RE: Why is Canada a membe
I agree. Paying down the debt increase's our available revenues. All that money we pay on intrests will be free to spend elsewhere.
I agree. Paying down the debt increase's our available revenues. All that money we pay on intrests will be free to spend elsewhere.
GDP only reflect the government efficacy(may be wrong, I am not sure, not major in financial or politics), I think, why not consider about our own life quality?
I have read that in whatever country there always be one percent people never afraid of hungry or even the war,because they have enough capacity to suffer the natural and man-made disaster.
I have read that in whatever country there always be one percent people never afraid of hungry or even the war,because they have enough capacity to suffer the natural and man-made disaster.
Re: RE: Why is Canada a member of G8?
GDP is Gross domestic product. It is only a good mesurement with capitalist countries. You can't compare, a communist country with a capitalist one with GDP.
lance said:
GDP is Gross domestic product. It is only a good mesurement with capitalist countries. You can't compare, a communist country with a capitalist one with GDP.