Not wanting to pay into an organization they don't belong to doesn't necessarily make someone 'against' that organization. So no.... I don't see a pig here yet. What I do see is a LOT of people who I thought were capable of attacking an argument, attacking the person instead. A full out gang up on a poster who is clearly less versed at substantial debate. Not overly impressive.
why i have to pay more for kosher
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Not wanting to pay into an organization they don't belong to doesn't necessarily make someone 'against' that organization. So no.... I don't see a pig here yet. What I do see is a LOT of people who I thought were capable of attacking an argument, attacking the person instead. A full out gang up on a poster who is clearly less versed at substantial debate. Not overly impressive.
Karrie, "A full out gang up on a poster who is clearly less versed at substantial debate. Not overly impressive. "
That sounds mean. But the part about substantial debate, you can't pin that wrap on me. My debate draws upon nothing more than the notion that the burden of proof against the Jew-catering manufacturers rides with the accuser, not the accused. I haven't contributed a shred of evidence of any substantive sort. Neither has the poster. I win. Old age and wretchedness will overcome youth and enthusiasm.
That sounds mean. But the part about substantial debate, you can't pin that wrap on me. My debate draws upon nothing more than the notion that the burden of proof against the Jew-catering manufacturers rides with the accuser, not the accused. I haven't contributed a shred of evidence of any substantive sort. Neither has the poster. I win. Old age and wretchedness will overcome youth and enthusiasm.
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The argument has been taken apart on this thread numerous times, yourself included. But this poster keeps trying to find a hook of some kind - there are many examples of things we pay for but don't like,you for example loath shiny wrappers and brand names so you buy noname - that is a choice. I don't care for noname diet cola so I buy Diet Pepsi thats my choice. there is no argument, it's not like the Jews control the food supply and are secretly converting us.for Krakra to imply that this is a Jew conspiracy is preposterous. If you look back on this thread, many thoughtful and informative answers were given to the question posed. However, these answers were not good enough for Krakra because they do not fit with her/his preconceived notions.
The argument has been taken apart on this thread numerous times, yourself included. But this poster keeps trying to find a hook of some kind - there are many examples of things we pay for but don't like,you for example loath shiny wrappers and brand names so you buy noname - that is a choice. I don't care for noname diet cola so I buy Diet Pepsi thats my choice. there is no argument, it's not like the Jews control the food supply and are secretly converting us.for Krakra to imply that this is a Jew conspiracy is preposterous. If you look back on this thread, many thoughtful and informative answers were given to the question posed. However, these answers were not good enough for Krakra because they do not fit with her/his preconceived notions.
lol.... have you been around internet debates long? You just summed up almost every argument that occurs on here.
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lol Iv'e belonged to a few forums - but this one is incredibly entertaining (albeit frustrating at times)
lol Iv'e belonged to a few forums - but this one is incredibly entertaining (albeit frustrating at times)
Krakra old boy, surely this enterprise did not fly. Try again. Next thread, if you are going to skate on the thinnest social ice available, bring a boat fully provisioned.
A good and nice sample of closed minds.
1-Just talking on a matter that really include a jewish matter , even that the jewish is not
concerned ............result: i have to proove that i am not anti-semitic
ok , i will proove it : kosher certification is the best certification ever and the
40.000$ paid by the manufacturer to have it ,will reduce the price of the product
like 3+1=2 or x+y=x-y
Guys , i am waiting for your certification that i am not anti-semitic.
To the man who is telling that organism is a living body ,it can be said for every close
population which works to the same goal.
Even i am a little bit new in canada , but i start to have picture of to which level can someone have a closed mind even i a so called civilized world.
I dont have anything to proove ,if you want me to be anti-semitic , i will be ,no problem at all ,not afraid of your sycho. prejudices.
1-Just talking on a matter that really include a jewish matter , even that the jewish is not
concerned ............result: i have to proove that i am not anti-semitic
ok , i will proove it : kosher certification is the best certification ever and the
40.000$ paid by the manufacturer to have it ,will reduce the price of the product
like 3+1=2 or x+y=x-y
Guys , i am waiting for your certification that i am not anti-semitic.
To the man who is telling that organism is a living body ,it can be said for every close
population which works to the same goal.
Even i am a little bit new in canada , but i start to have picture of to which level can someone have a closed mind even i a so called civilized world.
I dont have anything to proove ,if you want me to be anti-semitic , i will be ,no problem at all ,not afraid of your sycho. prejudices.
I was merely offering you an explanation of why people are making fun of your use of organism rather than organization. You had mentioned in your introduction that you were here to work on your English. Well, organization and organism aren't interchangeable in common English.
If you were lying in your introduction, I'll gladly cease offering advice, and continue letting you misuse words, rather than explain.
Yes, it would be hinky math to think that it would come out that way. But.....
Let's say a products ingredients cost 1 cent, manufacturing costs 1 cent, packaging costs 1 cent, and shipping it to the store costs 1 cent. a manufacturer can be looking at a product that costs them merely 4 cents to make, but that we are willing to pay 50 cents in the store for. They profit 45 cents.
Now add kosher certification to that, and it doesn't always mean that the customer will pay more. Sometimes it merely means that the manufacturer has raised their own cost of production (let's say another cent for kosher certification per unit), and has resolved to make a profit of only 44 cents per unit, instead of 45, in order to reach a wider market and thus sell more. You don't necessarily pay anything to a kosher certification board... the manufacturer does.
I don't know if you're anti-semitic, but I think you're confused.
You'll have to convince the site administrator to pay a certified expert on anti-semitism, or to recruit one for some resolution here. Hope the site fees don't go up....
Krakra, don't fall apart on us now, not after standing (stubbornly) up for so long.
Some cultural latitude is due you. But don't be so demanding of yourself as to demand that we hear you prove anything at all. I'm certain that what you have said is not at all discreditable where you came from. But this is here and the way it is here. It may seem strange, even illogical to you now, but it is better to have it out here than somewhere else. This is your good fortune, bitter sweet as it may be.
You are bound to stumble a little until you get your legs here. Be glad. Every single one of those who criticised what you said or how you said it will be the the first to defend you, the immigrant, and we are not simply here, but more, everywhere.
Some cultural latitude is due you. But don't be so demanding of yourself as to demand that we hear you prove anything at all. I'm certain that what you have said is not at all discreditable where you came from. But this is here and the way it is here. It may seem strange, even illogical to you now, but it is better to have it out here than somewhere else. This is your good fortune, bitter sweet as it may be.
You are bound to stumble a little until you get your legs here. Be glad. Every single one of those who criticised what you said or how you said it will be the the first to defend you, the immigrant, and we are not simply here, but more, everywhere.
Well said JimShort...
ermm.... Jimshort sounds so.. formal. I think if we're gonna drink spiked tea together I should get to call ya Jim don't you? ;-)
ermm.... Jimshort sounds so.. formal. I think if we're gonna drink spiked tea together I should get to call ya Jim don't you? ;-)
Karrie , thank you for your english courses , but what i know is that organism has the same meaning in french or english , if you dont use it in your common english , that doesnt mean that it will change its meaning (anyway thanks).
Jimmshort , thanks also but you have to know that i am not waiting for the support of anyone ,my only support is a little bit of reason without any prejudices.
Lester : thanks for your certification , please send it as soon as possible because i dont have toilet paper.
karrie : well done with your calculation , this is what i am waiting to look for , a real calculation of the cost. You have to agree at least that there is a cost to be paid by someone to have the kosher certification (in your case it is the manufacturer who will see his benefits reduced), i can agree with this and you have to proove that all manufacturers do this and they dont just compensate it by raising the cost to the consumer.
And in all cases , kosher certification will not open a wider market because , it is intended mainly to a market of 2% of the population.
Jimmshort , thanks also but you have to know that i am not waiting for the support of anyone ,my only support is a little bit of reason without any prejudices.
Lester : thanks for your certification , please send it as soon as possible because i dont have toilet paper.
karrie : well done with your calculation , this is what i am waiting to look for , a real calculation of the cost. You have to agree at least that there is a cost to be paid by someone to have the kosher certification (in your case it is the manufacturer who will see his benefits reduced), i can agree with this and you have to proove that all manufacturers do this and they dont just compensate it by raising the cost to the consumer.
And in all cases , kosher certification will not open a wider market because , it is intended mainly to a market of 2% of the population.
It doesn't necessarily lower their benefit krakra. If it costs them, as you say, 40 000 a year extra, they may very well make that cost up by reaching an expanded customer base through kosher certification. 100 units sold at a 45 cent profit, or 200 sold at a 44 cent profit, which would you prefer as a manufacturer?
And no, the burden of proof is not on me to prove that the manufacturer eats the cost. You're the one who asserted that you pay more for kosher, not I, despite repeated explanations that our pantries don't seem to reflect that (ie, kosher certification being only on some of the less expensive foods). I'm merely explaining some market dynamics which make it worthwhile to the manufacturer and of no hindrance to the consumer. The burden of proof is squarely on your shoulders on this one if you'd like to carry on discussing it.
Well done karrie and nice reasoning.
the wider market you are talking about is the people represented by the rabbins who let them check their food for religious and may be hygienic matters.
the main market in this country , is represented only by the canadian authorities who have the right to check the food manufacturing process, because they are paid for that (from the taxes).
I invite you to check really in the malls for the percentage of koshered food (take the list that i have attached in the begining of this thread) and you will see that it is not less than 70%.
I think that it is normal .
the wider market you are talking about is the people represented by the rabbins who let them check their food for religious and may be hygienic matters.
the main market in this country , is represented only by the canadian authorities who have the right to check the food manufacturing process, because they are paid for that (from the taxes).
I invite you to check really in the malls for the percentage of koshered food (take the list that i have attached in the begining of this thread) and you will see that it is not less than 70%.
I think that it is normal .
Zan, you may call me Jimmy Sam. (James Samuel). If you would keep your mind focused upon the cost of food, if we can all just think about food, more, please. I was reading the newspaper, Food section, this morning while watching the food channel and eating. And I thought, how is it that some women just can't keep their minds on food these days? Some aspire to be thin, while eating gluttenous amounts, all day long, but these normal women are becoming more rare, and the men more fat, but I'm not homosexual. Focus with me Zan.
We live in the food age. It's coming back. The food supply was once the human population governor of this planet, but now that governing has become the province of women, women with rights, women with minds of their own, women who cannot, will not, cook. And all I get to do is read and watch.
I once worked as a kosher certification inspector at an aluminum foil factory, but I got fired. I kept my mind on the food, and where did it get me?
Now Zan, don't you be aligning with Karrie's soft on anti-semitism stance. We don't need no stinking anti-semitism. Hosting Townsey is arguably a criminal offense in this country. Whomever pays for that dudes soapbox is scum, right?
Krakra was an immigrant girl, until I found out she was a man. All this shopping talk. The guys and I, we went to the bar, we went to the beer store, we went to the beach, the bush and back to the beer store. Nobody ever said, "Jim? Oh, he went shopping." We did not go shopping. Is this guy for real, or am I being presumptuous about his sexual orientation?
The name 'Krakra', what's with that? In my culture, circa some past century, there were a few names and only a few that were unisex. But one look at the guy's head and you knew he had balls. Then the clothes and makeup and what if maybe sex doesn't matter anymore or I have to check your genitals?
Focus with me here Zan. My goodness how your mind wonders.
We live in the food age. It's coming back. The food supply was once the human population governor of this planet, but now that governing has become the province of women, women with rights, women with minds of their own, women who cannot, will not, cook. And all I get to do is read and watch.
I once worked as a kosher certification inspector at an aluminum foil factory, but I got fired. I kept my mind on the food, and where did it get me?
Now Zan, don't you be aligning with Karrie's soft on anti-semitism stance. We don't need no stinking anti-semitism. Hosting Townsey is arguably a criminal offense in this country. Whomever pays for that dudes soapbox is scum, right?
Krakra was an immigrant girl, until I found out she was a man. All this shopping talk. The guys and I, we went to the bar, we went to the beer store, we went to the beach, the bush and back to the beer store. Nobody ever said, "Jim? Oh, he went shopping." We did not go shopping. Is this guy for real, or am I being presumptuous about his sexual orientation?
The name 'Krakra', what's with that? In my culture, circa some past century, there were a few names and only a few that were unisex. But one look at the guy's head and you knew he had balls. Then the clothes and makeup and what if maybe sex doesn't matter anymore or I have to check your genitals?
Focus with me here Zan. My goodness how your mind wonders.