Why get a FLU shot?

[Karlin]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/22/AR2005102200042.html?sub=AR

A Shot of Fear?

Flu Death Risk Often Exaggerated; So Is Benefit of Vaccine

Washington Post article..

Personally, I will stay away from vaccines, it all so bogus and so many untruths and lies and misconceptions that it can only be a corporate ploy of some sort.

If those who get them are protected, why do they insist that the rest of us get vaccinated?

 

[#juan]

I think getting a flu shot

is a good idea. But it isn't compulsory.

 

[Reverend Blair]

It isn't. I've never had one. I do have the flu though. dammit.

 

[#juan]

Hey Rev

You can console yourself in the possibility that if you had gotten a flu shot, it might not have stopped the particular virus you've contracted. Doesn't help does it? :wink:

 

[Reverend Blair]

I'm consoling myself with beer instead.

 

[danieltowsey]

I reposted my article...have a look!

 

[cdn_bc_ca]

Re: RE: Why get a FLU shot?

So if its so laughable then why did you comment on it....You should do some research and you'll find out that there is a percentage of people that get very sick from the shot some even die from it.

I believe that the flu shot is not a sample of the killed virus, but a live sample that is not a virulent as the real thing. Those people with severely weakened immune systems are thus not able to defend against this weakened virus and end up in the hospital.

This is why when you get the flu shot, the person that administered the shot (either a nurse or your doctor) will tell you that you may experience flu like symptoms for a couple of days. You would not get flu like symptoms if you were injected with a dead virus... nor would you experience these symptoms only for a couple of days had you been injected with the full blown version of it...

I also believe that only those people who really need the flu shot should get it (like a previous poster with the heart condition). I say this because viruses have the ability to adapt and the continued and overuse of the flu vaccine might lead to a flu superbug that would most likely spell disaster.

So, I will not be taking the flu shot because I know I can beat it however long it takes. The question is, when I get the flu, how can I take measures to prevent myself from passing it to others?

This is just my personal opinion, so I might be totally way off base.

 

[danieltowsey]

Good thoughts

 

[mrmom2]

The thread should read Why you should not get a flu shot .
1.They contain mercury
2.Take flu shots 5 years in a row and your risk for developing AlS is 60 times higher
3.....I could go on and on but don't have the time .Anybody wants any info and I'll post some great books by MD's on the subject :wink:

 

[danieltowsey]

Thats the point of my post....you got the point

 

[tracy]

Flu shots do not contain mercury. You are thinking of thimerosol. The majority of influenza vaccines distributed in the United States currently contain thimerosal as a preservative. However, some contain only trace amounts of thimerosal and are considered by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to be preservative-free. Manufacturers of preservative-free flu vaccine use thimerosal early in the manufacturing process. The thimerosal gets diluted as the vaccine goes through the steps in processing. By the end of the manufacturing process there is not enough thimerosal left in the vaccine to act as a preservative and the vaccine is labeled ‘preservative-free'. You get a lot more mercury from eating a tuna fish sandwich and considering the fact that over 35 000 people will die in the US from the flu every year, worrying about a trace amount of thimerosal in a vaccine seems a little wierd.


I would love to see how someone determined your risk of ALS is 60X higher after getting the flu vaccine 5 years in a row and I would love to know how that compares to your risk of dying from the flu.

One thing I know is having MD after your name or writing a book doesn't make someone right.

 

[tracy]

Re: RE: Why get a FLU shot?

So if its so laughable then why did you comment on it....You should do some research and you'll find out that there is a percentage of people that get very sick from the shot some even die from it.

I believe that the flu shot is not a sample of the killed virus, but a live sample that is not a virulent as the real thing. Those people with severely weakened immune systems are thus not able to defend against this weakened virus and end up in the hospital.

This is why when you get the flu shot, the person that administered the shot (either a nurse or your doctor) will tell you that you may experience flu like symptoms for a couple of days. You would not get flu like symptoms if you were injected with a dead virus... nor would you experience these symptoms only for a couple of days had you been injected with the full blown version of it...

I also believe that only those people who really need the flu shot should get it (like a previous poster with the heart condition). I say this because viruses have the ability to adapt and the continued and overuse of the flu vaccine might lead to a flu superbug that would most likely spell disaster.

So, I will not be taking the flu shot because I know I can beat it however long it takes. The question is, when I get the flu, how can I take measures to prevent myself from passing it to others?

This is just my personal opinion, so I might be totally way off base.

The flu vaccine is made from dead virus, scientists don't have the ability to get a weaker version of the influenza strain they are trying to protect against. That means it can not give you the flu. It only causes your body to have an immune response which is why you can have some "flu-like symptoms" like fever. A fever is not from the flu directly, it is your body's response to it which is exactly what a vaccine is trying to elicit. Having a fever doesn't mean you have the flu.

You do not have immunity for about two weeks so if you are exposed to the flu virus in that time, you will have no protection from it. Even after receiving the vaccine, you don't have 100% immunity because no one's body works exactly perfectly and the vaccine is simply made up against the scientists' best guess (their prediction) of what will be the dominant flu strains that year. They usually pick three. There are always more than three flu strains roaming around, so you can still get sick with one of them.

People who do not need the flu shot should not get it because that just decreases the supply for those who need it. To protect yourself and others from the flu, do not socialize when you are sick and practice good hygeine (hand washing, covering your mouth and nose when you cough and sneeze, etc). You should be especially careful about being around sick or elderly or very young people during the flu season because you can spread it to them and they do not have the same ability to fight it off.

I've had the flu shot every year for the last 6 years and haven't gotten the flu once.

 

[bhoour]

I have never had the flu shot ( not eligible), and have never had the flu.

:roll:

 

[GreenGreta]

Ok, why not eligable?

I like my flu shot. I like the pain and stiffness afterward. I like knowing that the babies and elderly I walk by will not die because I couldn't be bothered to protect them. I like knowing that I am immunized at least against the current strains of flu.

Flu shots aren't just for the person being shot, they are for everyone around you. Like sometimes, you call in sick to avoid affecting everyone? Same diff. Just because your immunity is strong enough to fight it, doesn't mean your elderly mother is. It's called being responsible.

Keep your conspiracy theories, they are (as usual) ridiculous and juvenile. I heard there is a tiny chip in them and the gov't pushes a button and you die if they dont' like you.

 

[Suzique39]

I get a flu shot every year because Timetrvlr is diabetic, and therefore at risk. I also get the flu shots because the last time I had the flu it just kept getting worse and worse took a month to finally get well, and I don't want to do that again. Since we started getting the flu shots neither one of us has had the flu. So I don't care who is correct or not correct about the flu vaccines, all I know is we don't get any of the flu's going around.

 

[bhoour]

I have not ever got a shot because no 1 can answer me clearly, on wether I can or not. I have a heart condition , and for most vacinations I need to be covered ( on antibiotics), to protect my heart from germs and bacteria. I have never recieved a clear answer, just lots of flip flopping, and maybe's. So I choose to protct myself by not, taking that risk.
I do agree that it should be available for those with weakened immune systems, and others who would like to get it. It does help to save lives. I feel tho, it is a personal choice.

 

[MMMike]

Re: RE: Why get a FLU shot?

Keep your conspiracy theories, they are (as usual) ridiculous and juvenile. I heard there is a tiny chip in them and the gov't pushes a button and you die if they dont' like you.

8O That's even worse than I thought. According to my sources, the government pushes a button and you vote Liberal. What else could explain these idiots in government now?? :?

 

[GreenGreta]

LMAO

 

[danieltowsey]

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