Why do you eat meat?

karrie

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There are? Humans are animals. Other animals kill animals. Cougars kill deers. Bears kill bugs. Cheetahs kill impalas. What ethics?

Free range animals is one area of 'meat ethics'. Also, shipping guidelines and slaughter issues. Some slaughterhouses ship animals long distances, in intense heat or cold with no food or water, just to run them through a slaughter house that doesn't kill them efficiently or humanely. Animals raised free range, and slaughtered in areas that don't require such duress, tend to actually taste better.
 

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When I do eat tofu, I normally buy the flavoured kind, and cook it in a stir fry. The plain stuff is too plain.
 

karrie

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Tofu reminds me of uncooked pancake batter. I'll pass. I don't like zucchini either. It's just filler.

There's one product I use a lot, called 'veggie ground round'.... most people can't tell it from hamburger when you put it in pasta sauce. plus, none of the fat and 'cook-off' that you get with ground meat. it's handy to have a few packs in the freezer for when I'm in a rush.
 

L Gilbert

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Meat...

How about once a week? How would YOU deal that?
I eat range beef my cousin grows. I eat chickens that come from next door (eggs, too), I eat pork that either comes from across the lake from me or down the road a bit. Other than that the most meat I eat comes from moose, elk, grouse, a bit of bison, a bit of deer, etc. Supermarket "meat" isn't that great and one has to use herbs and spices to make it taste like something. I also eat garden fresh or canned veggies and grow my own fruit for canning or eating fresh. My water is untreated and doesn't taste like swimming pool water. It sucks to be cityfied. :D
 

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Do you know how much food it takes to raise one kg of fish? It's entirely dependant on the species, but some are as low as 1.1 kg, by far the most efficient animals at converting food to flesh.

Eating fish is already a lot more acceptable than eating beef, pork, chicken, etc.

From what we can observe, cows, pigs and chickens have a higher suffering potential then fish.
 

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Your last statement I like. Except for one tiny problem . Are you aware of how much free range meat costs? I think your comments are quite valid but not plausable for the majority of poor.

Yes I'm aware how much good and "morally acceptable" meat is expensive. This is one the reasons I rarely eat meat.
 

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I haven't tried any farmed haddock, but the farmed halibut is really good. Out here the only fresh salmon is Atlantic, rarely have I seen fresh pacific. I like it anyways. It's funny I used to hate fish as a kid, and that was really the only food I didn't like.
 

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I eat range beef my cousin grows. I eat chickens that come from next door (eggs, too), I eat pork that either comes from across the lake from me or down the road a bit. Other than that the most meat I eat comes from moose, elk, grouse, a bit of bison, a bit of deer, etc. Supermarket "meat" isn't that great and one has to use herbs and spices to make it taste like something. I also eat garden fresh or canned veggies and grow my own fruit for canning or eating fresh. My water is untreated and doesn't taste like swimming pool water. It sucks to be cityfied. :D


You are one lucky fellow! And it does suck to be cityfied... Not always but sometimes...
 

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Free range animals is one area of 'meat ethics'. Also, shipping guidelines and slaughter issues. Some slaughterhouses ship animals long distances, in intense heat or cold with no food or water, just to run them through a slaughter house that doesn't kill them efficiently or humanely. Animals raised free range, and slaughtered in areas that don't require such duress, tend to actually taste better.
That sounds like processing ethics. I thought he meant ethics about eating.
 

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That sounds like processing ethics. I thought he meant ethics about eating.

I guess that was kinda ambiguous, but Karrie was talking about the same kind of thing I was. I don't think it's unethical to eat meat, or I'd be a vegetarian. I was referring to the ethics of animal husbandry and the agri-food industry in general.
 

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I haven't tried any farmed haddock, but the farmed halibut is really good. Out here the only fresh salmon is Atlantic, rarely have I seen fresh pacific. I like it anyways. It's funny I used to hate fish as a kid, and that was really the only food I didn't like.
The only farmed stuff I've tried was the Atlantic salmon and both times the fish were from different farms. Then I found out they had to make the meat more appetising by dying it. I'll pass. Haddock is good stuff. I'm damned picky about farmed stuff because of how the farms treat the fish and the environment around the farms. There's a big todo about farmed fish in BC.
 

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The only farmed stuff I've tried was the Atlantic salmon and both times the fish were from different farms. Then I found out they had to make the meat more appetising by dying it. I'll pass. Haddock is good stuff. I'm damned picky about farmed stuff because of how the farms treat the fish and the environment around the farms. There's a big todo about farmed fish in BC.

You can buy 'un-dyed' farmed salmon. Tastes better, and who cares how pink it is? It's still nicer looking than the breaded fish sticks I grew up with thinking they were 'good fish'.
 

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You are one lucky fellow! And it does suck to be cityfied... Not always but sometimes...
Not lucky. I made a point of having good food that I can access. It was work, not luck. I lived in Okanagan cities for more years than I'd like, but I still hunted and fished and my cousin with the beef was actually closer then than now. Even got my milk from a friend that had Jerseys near Kelowna. I know several people in cities that made a point about meeting farmers and ranchers in the area just to have sources for decent food.
 

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You can buy 'un-dyed' farmed salmon. Tastes better, and who cares how pink it is? It's still nicer looking than the breaded fish sticks I grew up with thinking they were 'good fish'.
I still think I'll pass on the stuff. Never could figure out why people at the coast farm Atlantic salmon instead of indigenous salmon. That seems unethical to me, especially since BC has about a half dozen different species of salmon. Why would we need a foreign fish? A couple times a year a fella comes round here with a reefer truck with freshly frozen seafood. He carries all sorts of critters.
 

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Yah, the dye is a synthetic copy of what they would eat in the wild, the dyes are canthaxanthin and astaxanthin, found in things like krill. I guess I wouldn't know as far as taste goes, I wonder how a blind taste test would come out...
 

karrie

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I still think I'll pass on the stuff. Never could figure out why people at the coast farm Atlantic salmon instead of indigenous salmon. That seems unethical to me, especially since BC has about a half dozen different species of salmon. Why would we need a foreign fish? A couple times a year a fella comes round here with a reefer truck with freshly frozen seafood. He carries all sorts of critters.

Well, being in the North, I really have no choice in seafood options. But, I do try to avoid dyes and bull**** like that in the stuff I can get my hands on up here.