Why disbelievers deny the Next Life

[Dexter Sinister]

So far any 'errors' that have been 'pointed out' have answers that are logical and fits into the context the passages promote.

Right there is the problem. Your perceptual and thinking skills are so bad you believe that's a true statement. An example: calling a man a paranoid NWO conspiracy theorist, as I did, doesn't mean he's part of the NWO, it means he believes the NWO conspiracy theory.

Too subtle for you? Try this: the incompetent can't know they're incompetent. To truly know you're good at something you need to have the skills and knowledge to really BE good at it. If you don't have them you'll never grasp what an incompetent boob you are, you'll believe you know things you don't, understand things you know nothing about, and have skills you don't have. And just in case the obvious conclusion from that escapes you: as a critical, careful, and discriminating thinker you are incompetent.

And I know exactly how you'll react to that too, if you choose to react at all. As a manager I've seen it many times and it's always the same, except you'll probably be ruder and more aggressive about it because I have no institutional authority over you. Frankly I'm glad I don't, if the persona you display here is really what you're like in real life I'd rather you not be part of my real life.

 

[MHz]

Way to avoid the point about the earth expansion or not.
Way to avoid the points about Putin knowing or not knowing what is going on in the world because the US promotion of the facts around the creation of ISIS cannot be the same as his summation of how they were created. I'm quite sure Putin know more about ISIS than either of us but you would try and paint him as a liar while you are holding the truth.
Way to avoid any mention of WTC7 as far as it fell just as the US Gov says it did when many experts say it is an impossibility.

Right there is the problem. Your perceptual and thinking skills are so bad you believe that's a true statement. An example: calling a man a paranoid NWO conspiracy theorist, as I did, doesn't mean he's part of the NWO, it means he believes the NWO conspiracy theory.

My comment was that you hinted that Putin would be the liar which makes him a paranoid conspiracy buff as far as the NWO goes, he wouldn't qualify as a member but you certainly would as you do not challenge one thing that they have put forward as far as 9/11 and ISIS.

Why would that term not apply to you as you believe there is no conspiracy and what the US (part of the NWO) promotes are the bald facts and any mention of the alternative is for loonies and your paranoid view that they cannot and would not lie to you when it can easily be shown that they do and they have lied about important things more than once.

Too subtle for you? Try this: the incompetent can't know they're incompetent. To truly know you're good at something you need to have the skills and knowledge to really BE good at it. If you don't have them you'll never grasp what an incompetent boob you are, you'll believe you know things you don't, understand things you know nothing about, and have skills you don't have. And just in case the obvious conclusion from that escapes you: as a critical, careful, and discriminating thinker you are incompetent.

Not at all, you have always liked to promote yourself as knowing all the facts but are then always shy at posting them and take on the mode that this post of your shows. You try to belittle the other poster with nonsensical posts like this that avoids the actual topics and promotes that the other person can't possibly be right and only you have a handle on the 'facts'. Facts like I did not come up with any theories on my own but I do offer my opinion on the validity of the articles I link too. Mikp Peled is a perfect example, nobody has ever actually shown that his version is flawed but they (persons with a mindset similar to yours) have yet to provide anything but an opinion that he is wrong and your person view is the correct one. Dismissing him as an 'expert' only allows you to hold onto what you have accepted as 'the facts' and that means you ability to update what you think you know is impaired and that takes away from you being able to consider yourself to have the upper hand on what is and what isn't factual.

And I know exactly how you'll react to that too, if you choose to react at all. As a manager I've seen it many times and it's always the same, except you'll probably be ruder and more aggressive about it because I have no institutional authority over you. Frankly I'm glad I don't, if the persona you display here is really what you're like in real life I'd rather you not be part of my real life.

You don't even know if I will reply shows you don't know me at all as my 'history' is that I reply to all posts thrown my way even if they are clearly posts from obvious trolls.
Your post is more suited to your personality than it is to mine as you like to throw barbs around like you have in this post by using terms like paranoid, incompetent, rude, aggressive, etc. while insinuating that your level of 'education' means you cannot be lied to. You can be lied to and the lie will be accepted as the truth and because of your ego you cannot accept any different opinion no matter how many facts are on their side.

Now that you have had your distraction post replied to (as a rough draft) are you ever going to address the points that you missed replying to that I mentioned at the start of this post as you missed addressing every single one, while claiming to be the superior of us as far as promoting facts over falsehoods.

This part is beside the point that I know the Bible inside and out compared to the members here and that one point is something that is at the centre of your various forms of ridicule because you attack the poster when you can't attack the argument and that left off at the 'little horn' verse from Da:8 as being about Rome's 500 year rule over Jerusalem rather than anything you could promote. The standard argument from the NWO crowd (you and those like you who hold the same views) is silence when you should have lots to say about it if you had the truth as my errors would stand out like a beacon of sorts. The errors I've come across certainly stand out like that and that would be supported by my (opening) comments about the expanding earth vid by Neil Adams. Your argument focused on him being a cartoon guy and completely dismissed the physics he was explaining. That is your only argument to date about that theory so basically it is opinion only and you want me to accept it as being a fact. I'm too much of a critical thinker for that and if you know anything about me that point will be high on the list. You would just chalk it up to that I like to be argumentative when all I'm doing is exploring what I see as errors, be they simple (WTC7) or a bit more complex (ISIS bosses)

 

[Ludlow]

Absolutely. The right reverend Tommy Flanagan knows the bible inside and out no question about it. Lmao.

Yeah that's it. Yeah, yeah,, that's the ticket. LOl.

 

[MHz]

You are more than welcome to comment on the verses in question or are you just the kind of troll that cannot change his ways? Your kindergarten ways apply to more than just the Bible doesn't it my little childish troll. You have yet to reply to the armies and Jerusalem bit BTW but then you would be destroying your troll role wouldn't you? I'm quite capable of replying to specific topics in a post, why do you and people like Dex only know how to troll rather than reply to questions or comments as only a troll can. You do know I take it as you simply do not know how to compose a reply but you still feel the need to try and appear intelligent when you are really in over your head. That would especially apply to your replies to me but you tend to try and be a smartass with just about everybody on the board except the trolls who are 'bigger' than you like ES and bones when all you seem to be able to do is poorly mimic them in comments like 'take your pills'. What a sad little troll you are, give up you delusions of grandeur as this is as good as it will ever get. One lesson you may eventually gain is you should not troll somebody who know how to fight back. If you doubt you (and the others) are troll in the purest sense of the word try the link. I'll even help you fuktard in the future by posting the part that applies to your latest example of what a (bad) troll actually does.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160318-what-is-the-best-way-to-stop-internet-trolls

The companion part to these verse is the 70 weeks passage from Da:9 and the NT supplies even more as that is the verses that show how it came about. Be prepared to have it surpass your 20 limit in understanding. That will be another $25 smackers lowlife. If you enjoy nicknames that is your new one.

Da:8:9-12:
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,
which waxed exceeding great,
toward the south,
and toward the east,
and toward the pleasant land.
And it waxed great,
even to the host of heaven;
and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground,
and stamped upon them.
Yea,
he magnified himself even to the prince of the host,
and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away,
and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground;
and it practised, and prospered.

 

[Ludlow]

You are more than welcome to comment on the verses in question or are you just the kind of troll that cannot change his ways? Your kindergarten ways apply to more than just the Bible doesn't it my little childish troll. You have yet to reply to the armies and Jerusalem bit BTW but then you would be destroying your troll role wouldn't you? I'm quite capable of replying to specific topics in a post, why do you and people like Dex only know how to troll rather than reply to questions or comments as only a troll can. You do know I take it as you simply do not know how to compose a reply but you still feel the need to try and appear intelligent when you are really in over your head. That would especially apply to your replies to me but you tend to try and be a smartass with just about everybody on the board except the trolls who are 'bigger' than you like ES and bones when all you seem to be able to do is poorly mimic them in comments like 'take your pills'. What a sad little troll you are, give up you delusions of grandeur as this is as good as it will ever get. One lesson you may eventually gain is you should not troll somebody who know how to fight back. If you doubt you (and the others) are troll in the purest sense of the word try the link. I'll even help you fuktard in the future by posting the part that applies to your latest example of what a (bad) troll actually does.
BBC - Future - What is the best way to stop internet trolls?

The companion part to these verse is the 70 weeks passage from Da:9 and the NT supplies even more as that is the verses that show how it came about. Be prepared to have it surpass your 20 limit in understanding. That will be another $25 smackers lowlife. If you enjoy nicknames that is your new one.

Da:8:9-12:
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,
which waxed exceeding great,
toward the south,
and toward the east,
and toward the pleasant land.
And it waxed great,
even to the host of heaven;
and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground,
and stamped upon them.
Yea,
he magnified himself even to the prince of the host,
and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away,
and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground;
and it practised, and prospered.

That was a wonderful speech Pastor Flanagan. Let that be a lesson to all of us that question your proficiency . Who in the world could doubt you now oh grand wizard of the cow manure. I stand in awe of your magnificence. Now,,,,,take your pills.

 

[MHz]

You mean sermon rather than speech don't you? You even need help in the troll area, there really is no hope in you life that you will ever recover. At least trolling gives meaning to your sad, very sad, existence.
BBC - Future - What is the best way to stop internet trolls?

“Anti-social users tend to focus on a few threads. They write a lot but only on a small number of threads instead of spreading out like other users would,” says Danescu-Niculescu-Mizi. By identifying this behaviour, the team was able to create an algorithm that would predict, quickly, whether users were being anti-social. Instead of looking for swear words or slang put-downs, the algorithm searches specifically for patterns of activity – and it seems to work across multiple sites.

 

[Ludlow]

You mean sermon rather than speech don't you? You even need help in the troll area, there really is no hope in you life that you will ever recover. At least trolling gives meaning to your sad, very sad, existence.
BBC - Future - What is the best way to stop internet trolls?

“Anti-social users tend to focus on a few threads. They write a lot but only on a small number of threads instead of spreading out like other users would,” says Danescu-Niculescu-Mizi. By identifying this behaviour, the team was able to create an algorithm that would predict, quickly, whether users were being anti-social. Instead of looking for swear words or slang put-downs, the algorithm searches specifically for patterns of activity – and it seems to work across multiple sites.

There it is. Spot on analysis by the brilliant reverend Tommy Flanagan, Cain't get nothing past you no question about it beware trolls Pastor Flanagan got ye pegged. ,,,( nurse Ratchet come to the forum room stat. Paging nurse Ratchet we have a code brown)

 

[MHz]

You do know somebody else wrote the article right?
You turning into the reading police now that your grammar policing task seem to have come to an abrupt end??

Why do people bully each other at all? There are sociological and psychological explanations. On the one hand, bullies tend to be engaged in a power play, seeking to establish dominance and some sort of hierarchy. The psychological reasons for this, though, can be manifold – from responding to early experiences of inferiority to re-enacting bullying which they have been exposed to themselves.

BBC - Future - What is the best way to stop internet trolls?

 

[Ludlow]

You do know somebody else wrote the article right?
You turning into the reading police now that your grammar policing task seem to have come to an abrupt end??

Why do people bully each other at all? There are sociological and psychological explanations. On the one hand, bullies tend to be engaged in a power play, seeking to establish dominance and some sort of hierarchy. The psychological reasons for this, though, can be manifold – from responding to early experiences of inferiority to re-enacting bullying which they have been exposed to themselves.

BBC - Future - What is the best way to stop internet trolls?

Alas, I think it might have been that ten dollar bag I bought from that creep Berto at Windsor circle at lunch time in my high school days. Gave me a horrible headache that evening too as I recall. .. I hated Berto we gave a party at the end of senior year and low and behold if Berto didn't take his girlfriend into my bedroom and soil my blankets. The psychological effects of what Berto did to me remain to this day and it is possible that I like to troll as a consequence of these devastating events in my early years. ...........(code brown, I repeat, code brown stat.)

 

[MHz]

So basically you were the 'girlfriend' and you lost you **** cherry that way and you created a mess by not taking a dump first. You are supplying way too much information for most people and that includes me.

 

[Ludlow]

take your pills

 

[MHz]

That's it?

 

[Ludlow]

Learn some humility and discretion.

 

[MHz]

That is no longer my agenda with you as you will soon find out. You are in for the ride of your life and not one of you cohorts is going to come an help you my little fuktard.

 

[darkbeaver]

Every time I start thinking you couldn't possibly surprise me again with how far from reality your understanding of things is, you drop an error bomb like that one. There is no conceivable American or Israeli interest that would be served by the creation of the Caliphate by an apocalyptic death cult that aims to destroy them both. That's way past wrong, it's into bizarre paranoid conspiracy theory.

Unless of course destruction of them both was profitable.

 

[MHz]

That would certainly give Israel full control of the Golan Heights and all the money that goes along with that as well as energy for nothing as well as control of all the pipelines going int the EU. Have ISIS crash Syria and the stab them in the back. Something along the lines of Saddam at war with Iran for about 8 years and then stabbing Saddam in the back over Kuwait. They don't know how to play it any other way.

 

[selfsame]

Cunning Zionists, you have robbed the topic! [I exclude only MHz, from this address]

Now I return to the original subject:

So the disbelievers deny the Next Life: why because they think that the body of man should be resurrected ... therefore, they say it is impossible: how will the body will be resurrected and restored as it was and live again!

But they did not know that the body will not be resurrected or restored to life once again ..
Only the soul will depart from the body at the time of death, then the soul will immediately be in the spirit world: which is spiritual, while the body will return to dust once again and will not return to life.

The soul or spirit will remain in the spiritual world or the Afterlife, forever.

Let us listen to the argument of the Quran and its interpretation here:

Quran 45: 24-26, which mean:
{ 24. They a say: "There is nothing but our [present] Worldly life; we die and our [children] live b, and nothing but Time [factors] destroy us.c "

[So God – be glorified – said:]
Of that they have no knowledge e, they merely conjecture f.

25. When Our revelations g are rehearsed to them, being obvious [revelations], their only argument h is that they say: "Bring our [dead] fathers [to life again] if you are telling the truth i."

26. Say, [Mohammed, to them]: "It is God Who makes you live [the first life in the womb j], then makes you die k, then gathers you [in the Barzakh world l ] till Doomsday about which there is no doubt m; but most people do not know [the truth.] n}
.............................................................

a i.e. the deniers of the sending to the Next Life, and of the Judgment.

b It means: Our children will be instead of us, and there isn’t after this life any other life, such as you threaten us with, neither is there any angel to seize our spirits, as you say.

c It means: the means of death are not else than only the disease, the murder, the drowning, the burn or the ageing.

e Because they are in a material world, and they do not know anything about the ether world: the world of souls, and they do not believe in it until they go to it following their death.

f They depend on guessing, not on true facts.

g Which tell about the ‘sending to the Next Life’ and the ‘Requital’.

h Of their refusal to believe.

i That there will be a ‘sending to the Next Life’ and a ‘Requital’.
So they think that man is the material body which is buried in the grave, but they do not know that the true man is the spiritual soul, and that their fathers are present in the world of souls: hearing and seeing, but they do not see their fathers. Moreover, they do not know that the ‘sending to the Next Life’ and the ‘Requital’, which they deny, is concerning the souls; and that there is no need to restore the bodies once again.
The indication of this is His saying – be glorified – in the next aya:

j i.e. He creates you in the womb of your mothers.

k After the end of your decreed life time.

l [Or the Afterlife], when you are ethereal souls.

m It is the day on which the solar system will tear up; there is no doubt about this incident [of Doomsday], because every material thing is going to be destroyed whatever it may last; so when that day comes, We will send the souls from the earth to the space where the ‘gathering-together’ will be, as will the Judgment be.
But it is not as you imagine, that We will bring the dead bodies to life once again, then We will bring back the souls inside them; for this certainly is not logical: is it logical that We return the chicken into its eggs from which he came out?
For the purpose from forming the egg is not its shell, but the chicken that is formed inside it.
So the soul resembles the chicken and the body resembles the egg shell.

n Therefore, contemplate the words of the aya, and think about its meaning: for God – be glorified – did not mention any life after He mentioned the death, but He said that (He gathers you [in the Barzakh world] till Doomsday.)

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.

Easy on him Ron, he's an MD as well as a spiritualist. Smart guy, loves to troll, and he drinks.

darkbeaver, you will keep as such, as I told you :lol: how is it with you!?

 

[Ludlow]

Cunning Zionists, you have robbed the topic! [I exclude only MHz, from this address]

Now I return to the original subject:

So the disbelievers deny the Next Life: why because they think that the body of man should be resurrected ... therefore, they say it is impossible: how will the body will be resurrected and restored as it was and live again!

But they did not know that the body will not be resurrected or restored to life once again ..
Only the soul will depart from the body at the time of death, then the soul will immediately be in the spirit world: which is spiritual, while the body will return to dust once again and will not return to life.

The soul or spirit will remain in the spiritual world or the Afterlife, forever.

Let us listen to the argument of the Quran and its interpretation here:

Quran 45: 24-26, which mean:
{ 24. They a say: "There is nothing but our [present] Worldly life; we die and our [children] live b, and nothing but Time [factors] destroy us.c "

[So God – be glorified – said:]
Of that they have no knowledge e, they merely conjecture f.

25. When Our revelations g are rehearsed to them, being obvious [revelations], their only argument h is that they say: "Bring our [dead] fathers [to life again] if you are telling the truth i."

26. Say, [Mohammed, to them]: "It is God Who makes you live [the first life in the womb j], then makes you die k, then gathers you [in the Barzakh world l ] till Doomsday about which there is no doubt m; but most people do not know [the truth.] n}
.............................................................

a i.e. the deniers of the sending to the Next Life, and of the Judgment.

b It means: Our children will be instead of us, and there isn’t after this life any other life, such as you threaten us with, neither is there any angel to seize our spirits, as you say.

c It means: the means of death are not else than only the disease, the murder, the drowning, the burn or the ageing.

e Because they are in a material world, and they do not know anything about the ether world: the world of souls, and they do not believe in it until they go to it following their death.

f They depend on guessing, not on true facts.

g Which tell about the ‘sending to the Next Life’ and the ‘Requital’.

h Of their refusal to believe.

i That there will be a ‘sending to the Next Life’ and a ‘Requital’.
So they think that man is the material body which is buried in the grave, but they do not know that the true man is the spiritual soul, and that their fathers are present in the world of souls: hearing and seeing, but they do not see their fathers. Moreover, they do not know that the ‘sending to the Next Life’ and the ‘Requital’, which they deny, is concerning the souls; and that there is no need to restore the bodies once again.
The indication of this is His saying – be glorified – in the next aya:

j i.e. He creates you in the womb of your mothers.

k After the end of your decreed life time.

l [Or the Afterlife], when you are ethereal souls.

m It is the day on which the solar system will tear up; there is no doubt about this incident [of Doomsday], because every material thing is going to be destroyed whatever it may last; so when that day comes, We will send the souls from the earth to the space where the ‘gathering-together’ will be, as will the Judgment be.
But it is not as you imagine, that We will bring the dead bodies to life once again, then We will bring back the souls inside them; for this certainly is not logical: is it logical that We return the chicken into its eggs from which he came out?
For the purpose from forming the egg is not its shell, but the chicken that is formed inside it.
So the soul resembles the chicken and the body resembles the egg shell.

n Therefore, contemplate the words of the aya, and think about its meaning: for God – be glorified – did not mention any life after He mentioned the death, but He said that (He gathers you [in the Barzakh world] till Doomsday.)

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.



darkbeaver, you will keep as such, as I told you :lol: how is it with you!?

Your topic sucked anyway Selfschhhlock

As do you

 

[MHz]

Just can't stop making a fool of yourself can you LowLife? If he sucks that still means you are several layers lower on the totem pole than he is. Pitiful and the only one unaware of that is you, at least the board is getting a common laugh at you despicable antics.

 

[Ludlow]

Just can't stop making a fool of yourself can you LowLife? If he sucks that still means you are several layers lower on the totem pole than he is. Pitiful and the only one unaware of that is you, at least the board is getting a common laugh at you despicable antics.

Comments from the compulsive liar section have not been requested .

Now beetch. Get your boyfriend away from his white bearded sugar daddy and have him dole out your pills.