Why didn’t Trudeau want to link the Fort Mac fire to climate change?

Jinentonix

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What we are expecting is a longer fire season and that’s exactly what we’re seeing this year.
How about that. One year equals a trend.
Obviously there's no other factors involved here because like this is like our first forest fire in like forever, like. Of course it's funny as hell hearing "we are expecting a longer fire season and that's exactly what we're seeing this year" when the fire season has basically just started. How about we wait until the END of the fire season before suggesting that's exactly what's happening.
 

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The pattern of weather in the west is quite similar to the pattern in the 1930s. They had early hot dry springs as well for most of the dustbowl years.
 

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I think it's safe to say that at this point in time, climate change is not the predominant factor influencing forest fires.

El Nino is certainly one of the big ones this year though and climate change in general will have in increasing influence in the next few decades unless we can mitigate the level of C02 production.
 

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... So, what's he doing in terms of real significance or boots on the ground?

Don't know for sure, I have a lot of friends up in the area so my focus has been on the situation as it unfolds in the Ft.Mac area. I was just impressed at the Prime Minister's earnestness in not succumbing to any temptation to use the whole issue to advance any kind of personal agenda. You know, like environmentalism or partisan politics.
 

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Don't know for sure, I have a lot of friends up in the area so my focus has been on the situation as it unfolds in the Ft.Mac area. I was just impressed at the Prime Minister's earnestness in not succumbing to any temptation to use the whole issue to advance any kind of personal agenda. You know, like environmentalism or partisan politics.
Yep, gotta hand it to JT on that one.
 

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I woke up this morning and found the temperature .6degrees warmer than normal. That is almost 3 times the projected warming. Let's kick the Liberals out, they are screwing up the environment.
 

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A whole wack of us were talking about the wildfires last night on the deck, you know just neighbourhood chit chat. Anyways I brought up the fact how some people were using the fort McMurray fires as an example to advance the global warming cause and then others were saying HAHA Kamas a bitch. Everyone just shook their heads and we're disgusted.
 

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Remember the good old days when the chicken little crew called it global warming and then when we ended up with a couple brutally cold long winters they went back to the war room and renamed it climate change.

I'm all for limiting pollution, but I wouldn't be caught dead hanging with this gang of liars.

You are dishonest, you make ridiculous claims and like most religions you are out to pick the pockets of ordinary people.

And it was that dishonesty that made me realize that you and your bunch are nothing but a fraud.
 

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I'm all for limiting pollution, but I wouldn't be caught dead hanging with this gang of liars.

I mentioned the same earlier in the year... If they even renamed it "Global Adulteration" and said, "Hey look all these emissions that are killing stuff and making our environment poisonous", then yea i could get on board with that. I know the post is there.

Being from Sudbury that is exactly what happened in the past with the roasting pits....

Im all about saving the planet and keeping things clean but the global warming hippy movement is something else... Zealous beyond the max, uninformed, and in my opinion some of them are border line eco terrorists.

Its all about image. Take me for example, i make great points but i get overlooked just because of who iam. 8)
 
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Fort McMurray and the Fires of Climate Change

The town of Fort McMurray, some four hundred miles north of Calgary, in Canada, grew up very quickly on both sides of the Athabasca River. During the nineteen-seventies, the population of the town tripled, and since then it has nearly tripled again. All this growth has been fuelled by a single activity: extracting oil from a Florida-sized formation known as the tar sands. When the price of oil was high, there was so much currency coursing through Fort McMurray’s check-cashing joints that the town was dubbed “Fort McMoney.”

Now Fort McMurray is burning. A forest fire that began to the southwest of the town on Sunday has forced the entire population—almost ninety thousand people—to evacuate. On Wednesday, Alberta’s provincial government declared a state of emergency. By yesterday, more than fifteen hundred buildings had been destroyed and the blaze had spread through an area covering more than three hundred square miles. It was burning so hot that that it was easily able to jump major rivers. One Canadian official described the fire as “catastrophic.” Another called it a “multi-headed monster.”

Though it’s tough to pin any particular disaster on climate change, in the case of Fort McMurray the link is pretty compelling. In Canada, and also in the United States and much of the rest of the world, higher temperatures have been extending the wildfire season. Last year, wildfires consumed ten million acres in the U.S., which was the largest area of any year on record. All of the top five years occurred in the last decade. In some areas, “we now have year-round fire seasons,” Matt Jolly, a research ecologist for the United States Forest Service, recently told the Times.

“You can say it couldn’t get worse,” Jolly added, but based on its own projections, the forest service expects that it will get worse. According to a Forest Service report published last April, “Climate change has led to fire seasons that are now on average 78 days longer than in 1970.” Over the last three decades, the area destroyed each year by forest fires has doubled, and the service’s scientists project that it’s likely to “double again by midcentury.” A group of scientists who analyzed lake cores from Alaska to obtain a record of forest fires over the last ten thousand years found that in recent decades, blazes were both unusually frequent and unusually severe. “This extreme combination suggests a transition to a unique regime of unprecedented fire activity,” they concluded.

All of this brings us to what one commentator referred to as “the black irony” of the fire that has destroyed most of Fort McMurray.


The town exists to get at the tar sands, and the tar sands produce a particularly carbon-intensive form of fuel. (The fight over the Keystone XL pipeline is, at its heart, a fight over whether the U.S. should be encouraging —or, if you prefer, profiting from—the exploitation of the tar sands.) The more carbon that goes into the atmosphere, the warmer the world will get, and the more likely we are to see devastating fires like the one now raging.

Fort McMurray and the Fires of Climate Change - The New Yorker
 

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Fort McMurray and the Fires of Climate Change

The town of Fort McMurray, some four hundred miles north of Calgary, in Canada, grew up very quickly on both sides of the Athabasca River. During the nineteen-seventies, the population of the town tripled, and since then it has nearly tripled again. All this growth has been fuelled by a single activity: extracting oil from a Florida-sized formation known as the tar sands. When the price of oil was high, there was so much currency coursing through Fort McMurray’s check-cashing joints that the town was dubbed “Fort McMoney.”

Now Fort McMurray is burning. A forest fire that began to the southwest of the town on Sunday has forced the entire population—almost ninety thousand people—to evacuate. On Wednesday, Alberta’s provincial government declared a state of emergency. By yesterday, more than fifteen hundred buildings had been destroyed and the blaze had spread through an area covering more than three hundred square miles. It was burning so hot that that it was easily able to jump major rivers. One Canadian official described the fire as “catastrophic.” Another called it a “multi-headed monster.”

Though it’s tough to pin any particular disaster on climate change, in the case of Fort McMurray the link is pretty compelling. In Canada, and also in the United States and much of the rest of the world, higher temperatures have been extending the wildfire season. Last year, wildfires consumed ten million acres in the U.S., which was the largest area of any year on record. All of the top five years occurred in the last decade. In some areas, “we now have year-round fire seasons,” Matt Jolly, a research ecologist for the United States Forest Service, recently told the Times.

“You can say it couldn’t get worse,” Jolly added, but based on its own projections, the forest service expects that it will get worse. According to a Forest Service report published last April, “Climate change has led to fire seasons that are now on average 78 days longer than in 1970.” Over the last three decades, the area destroyed each year by forest fires has doubled, and the service’s scientists project that it’s likely to “double again by midcentury.” A group of scientists who analyzed lake cores from Alaska to obtain a record of forest fires over the last ten thousand years found that in recent decades, blazes were both unusually frequent and unusually severe. “This extreme combination suggests a transition to a unique regime of unprecedented fire activity,” they concluded.

All of this brings us to what one commentator referred to as “the black irony” of the fire that has destroyed most of Fort McMurray.

The town exists to get at the tar sands, and the tar sands produce a particularly carbon-intensive form of fuel. (The fight over the Keystone XL pipeline is, at its heart, a fight over whether the U.S. should be encouraging —or, if you prefer, profiting from—the exploitation of the tar sands.) The more carbon that goes into the atmosphere, the warmer the world will get, and the more likely we are to see devastating fires like the one now raging.

Fort McMurray and the Fires of Climate Change - The New Yorker

Just sayin...

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Johnnny

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I pulled this from the article most recently posted.

“You can say it couldn’t get worse,” Jolly added, but based on its own projections, the forest service expects that it will get worse. According to a Forest Service report published last April, “Climate change has led to fire seasons that are now on average 78 days longer than in 1970.

I don't understand how such a narrow "window" of information can be used to accurately argue against/for processes that have been in place on Earth for the last 100's of millions of years.

Like we've been in a glacial minimum now for 1000's of years now. Yes the world has been warming, and has been since before fossil fuels were being generated. We have remnants of ancient civilizations being discovered on our continental shelves from when the world was "cooler". So this warming thing has been going on for awhile now...

The only entity that should be paying a carbon tax is the sun. To say that the Earth is only starting to warm now, would require one to disregard the magnitude of the Earths history. The Geologic timeline is hard to fathom for some people.

Like the last 30 years? come on
 

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Did climate change contribute to the Fort McMurray fire

Leading Alberta scientists say climate change likely contributed to the Fort McMurray wildfire.

The fire has forced more than 80,000 people to flee and is already being described as one of the most devastating in Alberta’s history. Yet Marc-André Parisien, a research scientist with the Canadian Forest Service in Edmonton, says Alberta can expect even more intense fires in the coming years.

“We know from looking at weather records from the last 100 years that the fire season is lengthening, and intense fires like this are increasingly common,” says Parisien.

Parisien says last year’s drought (so extreme the Alberta government officially classified it as a disaster) and El Niño conditions, which caused much of Canada to experience a mild winter, made the vegetation and soil extremely dry—and therefore prime fuel for fire.

The Alberta government lists both droughts and forest fires as extreme weather events that are made more likely by climate change. The Natural Resources Canada website, last updated Feb. 2, features a similar warning about climate-change-fuelled forest fires.

Mike Flannigan, a professor at the University of Alberta and the director of the Western Partnership for Wildland Fire Science, is a leading expert on forest fires. “The area burned in Canada has increased over the past 40 to 50 years. This is due to human-caused climate change,” says Flannigan.

Did climate change contribute to the Fort McMurray fire?