Why are you against Gay marriage?

hermanntrude

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Indeed, one of the biggest "lessons" to be learned from X-rated movies is how women are portrayed as purely sexual tools to be used by the men. They undervalue relationships and over-value sex.

actually usually the women are portrayed as the only person in the picture. Generally the photographer does what he can to avoid too much visible male body, since the films are aimed at men.

There's a quote i heard which is true of most x-rated stuff, but not all:

This industry is not taking advantage of vulnerable women, it's taking advantage of middle aged men with fat wallets
 

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In this case I'm reminded of the pro-life slogan "The babies choice...life". So maybe in this case, "The parentless childs choice...a loving familly."
 

karrie

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Karrie , I am agreed but what I belive this is all bookish language and when it comes to practicle life dont know how will it happen.....

Well vinod, no one can know how everything will always turn out. But that is why there are social programs in place to help aid families through things like this. Most adoptive families need help at some point to help iron out the issues that arise.
 

karrie

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In this case I'm reminded of the pro-life slogan "The babies choice...life". So maybe in this case, "The parentless childs choice...a loving familly."

Exactly. With so many children in need of loving homes, to quibble over this issue seems pointless to me.
 

vinod1975

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In this case I'm reminded of the pro-life slogan "The babies choice...life". So maybe in this case, "The parentless childs choice...a loving familly."



If we say so, then Parentless child will always go with any couple but again the question remains the same how well then can take care of that so innocent and cute baby
 

karrie

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If we say so, then Parentless child will always go with any couple but again the question remains the same how well then can take care of that so innocent and cute baby

the answer is 'just fine', so long as all other criteria for an adoptive family have been met. Having their sexuality be the only reason to be refused is ridiculous.
 

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Child without parents can given choice to live with same sex partners but this kid should be given proper care love and needs , which is always missing in case of same sex marriage specially if its a man with man.......:munky2:
 

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Child without parents can given choice to live with same sex partners but this kid should be given proper care love and needs , which is always missing in case of same sex marriage specially if its a man with man.......:munky2:

You mean to say that if your wife was to die, you are incapable of raising your child? You are unable to meet your child's needs, give her love, and care? I don't believe that at all. Men are as capable, if not more at times, of raising a child in a loving nurturing environment. I know quite a few men who have raised their children without mothers.
 

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These statements are nothing short of baffling. This is what I would like to know, to all of you out there who insist that a child's upbringing is of a lesser quality in a same sex household than to that of a heterosexual familly, what are you basing these seemingly surefire assertions on? What evidence have you seen that this is indeed the case? Is it anecdotal? Have you found some study which showed any assurance of causality? Or perhaps it is only intuition, or what you would want as an adult with your ideologies firmly planted? What do you think the motivation is for a same sex couple?

I hear and see these same statements being made every time this issue is brought up, and my suspicions are that those against same sex adoption and same sex rights are simply revolted by something which is foreign to them. That's fine, you're allowed to be revolted. But to deny a child a loving home, to deny fellow humans the same rights you enjoy is in my eyes incomprehensible. I'm all for the church's having their rights too. If they don't want to marry same sex couples, that's their prerogative. A little reciprocity goes along way people.
 

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Child without parents can given choice to live with same sex partners but this kid should be given proper care love and needs , which is always missing in case of same sex marriage specially if its a man with man.......:munky2:

We are creating our own problems by not listening to the words of God.

God knows what all mankind is capable of doing, so He set up some safeguards for us to follow.

If we forsake those safeguards, then we are just going to have to endure the consequences of our own desires.

Parents set rules for their children to follow for their education and for their safety. As they can only know what is before them at the time. But parents already know the pit falls of life, so they set perimeters for their kids.
Now when those kids grow and experience the world, and if they mature correctly, they then decide what the world is going to be like for their children.

If we go against the perimeters set up by our parent Father God, then He allows the world to spank us for our own selfish desires.

"Whatever we sow, that shall we reap"



Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

vinod1975

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karrie , first of all I am sorry but I love my and my kid so dont want to listen any thing or any thing , any thing against them ............... and secondly I never said that men can not take care of kid but not as good as women
 

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We are creating our own problems by not listening to the words of God.

God knows what all mankind is capable of doing, so He set up some safeguards for us to follow.

If we forsake those safeguards, then we are just going to have to endure the consequences of our own desires.

Parents set rules for their children to follow for their education and for their safety. As they can only know what is before them at the time. But parents already know the pit falls of life, so they set perimeters for their kids.
Now when those kids grow and experience the world, and if they mature correctly, they then decide what the world is going to be like for their children.

If we go against the perimeters set up by our parent Father God, then He allows the world to spank us for our own selfish desires.

"Whatever we sow, that shall we reap"



Peace>>>AJ:love9:

you are assuming we all believe that God exists. Please don't state this kind of thing as fact, when we're all different in our beliefs, and you know it.
 

karrie

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karrie , first of all I am sorry but I love my and my kid so dont want to listen any thing or any thing , any thing against them ............... and secondly I never said that men can not take care of kid but not as good as women

It wasn't anything against your family vinod. It was something stating that I think you are capable of raising your child despite being male.

I think it's horribly sexist of you to say that men are inferior to women in child rearing. They are not the same, I will grant you that, but they are no less able.
 

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It wasn't anything against your family vinod. It was something stating that I think you are capable of raising your child despite being male.

I think it's horribly sexist of you to say that men are inferior to women in child rearing. They are not the same, I will grant you that, but they are no less able.

agreed.

I think any child brought up by a gay couple WILL be different to a child brought up in a heterosexual parenting system, but not worse, on average.
 

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you are assuming we all believe that God exists. Please don't state this kind of thing as fact, when we're all different in our beliefs, and you know it.

Yes, your right, I know it. But the rule still applies whether you believe in Him or not. Why? Because He is over all believers and non-believers alike.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

hermanntrude

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vinod, do you see any incosistance in the following:

vinod wrote: Child without parents can given choice to live with same sex partners but this kid should be given proper care love and needs , which is always missing in case of same sex marriage specially if its a man with man

vinod also wrote:Originally Posted by hermanntrude
agreed.

I think any child brought up by a gay couple WILL be different to a child brought up in a heterosexual parenting system, but not worse, on average.



I am agreed too...
 

hermanntrude

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I know that that's what you believe. What i'm saying is that you can't state it as fact in front of a group of liberal minded, free-thinking, wide and varied group of people.

you could have said "those of us who believe in god, believe that...." I find the presumption a little annoying.
 

vinod1975

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Lem me explain my self.....



the two of statements are diffrent but the end result is same , and that is if you give a kid to gay-couple and even they give love , care and full-fill every need of the kid the kid will be happily grown up but something will be always missing as normal couple kid.....

cant explain more then this..... sorry....