Why Are We So Different? A Canadian View

S-Ranger

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If someone from another country (or the U.S. in particular; not always viewed as another country, as in "foreigners") asks you what Canadian means, what you are, how you're different from Americans, what do you say?

Many Canadians, journalists have stated so many times, are of the mind that the only answer is something along the lines of "not American." But if asked why, in what respect Canadians are different from Americans (obviously generalizations but overall), many Canadians are at a loss or come up with something superficial such as backbacon ("What's Canadian food?" Woman does not live by bread alone; note that the word man is included in woman so it covers both), not me, eh, urbanites don't end many sentences with "eh" eh, but The Great White North, eh, tried to explain "Canadian culture" around rural Canadians, and saying "eh" isn't exactly a worthy identity.

Hockey ... lots of countries play hockey, including the U.S.

British and French roots were kept here so Canada is "closer to Europe" than the U.S. is, so on and so forth, but if you want killer answers, really want to know and be able to explain what being Canadian is and why, with no mistake about it (unless you're in Alberta, one of the members of its alleged superior race) the link below gets to the root of it and also to the root of the failure of the reform/alliance/"new conservative" party, trying to use American political marketing in a country that has very little in common with the U.S. and has far more in common with the Netherlands (Holland).

The U.S. is, um, "uniquely" different from all Western democracies and certainly of Canada and that is explained as well. You will never fumble for an answer again as to what being Canadian means -- unless you need to move to a Jesusland part of the U.S. to find a repressive ("conservative" around religious discriminaton/superiority complex) culture you'll identify with.

I wanted to post the whole thing but the copyright forbids it ... so click on the link or be forever lost! :)

It doesn't address economics<->socio-economics but it certainly applies. The same principles that make (the majority) of Canadian society up apply to much improved productivity and innovation, though the current structure/systems of the Canadas aren't doing a very good job of working with us on that one, yet.

The word "Humanist" is used in the paper but it also means new capitalist. Humanist comes across as some socialist idealism to me (as in, something the NDP might prop up), because I focus more on economics<->socio-economics and how our structures/systems are failing us, miserably, but just replace the word Humanist with new capitalist if the word bothers you.

It's written for the perspective of outsiders who don't understand much about what Canada is, particularly the U.S.,

Why Are We So Different? A Canadian View
 

peapod

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I asked a friend the other day that returned from the states what he saw as the biggest difference between canadians and americans. He said religion. He said in america its in your face, and right up front, in canada their are many religious people, but its something personal and not in your face. Thats about it.
 

I think not

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peapod said:
I asked a friend the other day that returned from the states what he saw as the biggest difference between canadians and americans. He said religion. He said in america its in your face, and right up front, in canada their are many religious people, but its something personal and not in your face. Thats about it.

Which part of the US was your friend in if I may ask?
 

The Philosopher

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The French-English thing defintely makes us somewhat politically unique.When the French came from France to Quebec and Acadia they brought with them unique brands of liberalism and conservatism. The country-French were highly conservative while the city folk were intellectually liberal.

The Acadians were forced out of their homes by the British and were forced to move to Central Nova Scotia and learn English if they wanted to farm. All of the good territory was in Halifax area.

Ontario was predominantely liberal, until the Tories arrived from America.

The reason why the West is so conservative is beyond me. It has a massive immigration rate and even with so many immigrants (Grewal is Indian for example) they are still a predominantely conservative place. Maybe it's the food.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Why Are We So Differe

If there was a god, I'd be driving a 1968 Firebird drop-top with a 4 speed (not that crappy 3 speed that GM tried to pass off as adequate) and Roger Penske would be my butler.
 

Nascar_James

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peapod said:
I asked a friend the other day that returned from the states what he saw as the biggest difference between canadians and americans. He said religion. He said in america its in your face, and right up front, in canada their are many religious people, but its something personal and not in your face. Thats about it.

The following applies in the U.S. ...

"ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE"

If Canada had adopted the same approach as the US, maybe we wouldn't have the current crisis with never-ending referendums in Quebec.
 

Nascar_James

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Re: RE: Why Are We So Differe

I think not said:
Toro said:
I'd say 80% of the people in the city I live go to church every Sunday.

Where the hell is that? The Vatican?

The Vatican??? I live in Tulsa Oklahoma and do believe that more than 80% of the folks here attend church on a weekly basis.

While living in Montreal, Canada I did notice that the younger folks there have lost their faith in God. I don't know how it happened in the last 3-4 decades, but it did.
 

annabattler

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RE: Why Are We So Differe

I think we're different because we are still a work "in progress",whereas the United States has many more "definites" about it.
Our country is huge,and contains(now) many ethnicities and cultural groups,all of whom hang on to their traditions.....and most of which enrich the lives of all Canadians.
We've had some bumps along the way,and no doubt will encounter more bumps...but,I like where we're headed.
 

I think not

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Nascar_James said:
I think not said:
Toro said:
I'd say 80% of the people in the city I live go to church every Sunday.

Where the hell is that? The Vatican?

The Vatican??? I live in Tulsa Oklahoma and do believe that more than 80% of the folks here attend church on a weekly basis.

While living in Montreal, Canada I did notice that the younger folks there have lost their faith in God. I don't know how it happened in the last 3-4 decades, but it did.

Just because someone loses faith in God or never had any for that matter doesn't mean it is a bad thing or someone is heading in the wrong direction.

You can have no faith and still be a good person. Right?
 

jimmoyer

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Believe me annabattler, every country is a WIP.

Work In Progress.

To think otherwise is to embrace the stereotypes long broadcasted by the fad of the times.

Why do you think anyone anywhere in the world resents some label presumptuously imposed on them?

Oh, they do that but we don't, you say?

The person we see least is ourselves.

And we don't even trust those who do see themselves because they're looking into the mirror too often for us to think anything but that it is a vanity.

"Definites" in the United States?

Nothing is static, in the sense of the word's meaning of stillness.

No country stays still, especially when you take a magnifying glass to it. What looked like a still leaf unmoved by any breeze has veins in it like a river coursing through it.


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bluealberta

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Re: RE: Why Are We So Different? A Canadian View

The Philosopher said:
The French-English thing defintely makes us somewhat politically unique.When the French came from France to Quebec and Acadia they brought with them unique brands of liberalism and conservatism. The country-French were highly conservative while the city folk were intellectually liberal.

The Acadians were forced out of their homes by the British and were forced to move to Central Nova Scotia and learn English if they wanted to farm. All of the good territory was in Halifax area.

Ontario was predominantely liberal, until the Tories arrived from America.

The reason why the West is so conservative is beyond me. It has a massive immigration rate and even with so many immigrants (Grewal is Indian for example) they are still a predominantely conservative place. Maybe it's the food.[/quote]

I think the answer to your question about the west is more than one simple answer.

The West is relatively young, Alberta and Sask are 100 years old this year. Most of the original settlers either came from Eastern Canada, people either running from something (usually the law) or people running to, or looking for, an adventure. Either way, neither group had much use for authority or government, but had a healthy respect for the law, as evidenced by the respect and authority the NWMP had in the early days. This is somewhat paradoxical, for whatever reason.

Other settlers came from the US, many trying to run from what they deemed religious persecution. Again, not much use for authority or government. Many of these people did not look to authority or government for help or assistance, and just went ahead and did things on their own, leading to a sort of "can-do" attitude.

So the West had a bunch of people either running from or running to something, with a respect for law, but not laws or government, with an entreprenurial spirit that carries forward to today, and a mindset that they can do most anything if only the government would get the hell out of the way. This may be a simplification, but as a third generation Albertan, I believe this explains the more traditional, conservative approach the west has, especially in relation to the more government dependent eastern part of the country.
 

Cathou

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Nascar_James said:
The following applies in the U.S. ...

"ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE"

If Canada had adopted the same approach as the US, maybe we wouldn't have the current crisis with never-ending referendums in Quebec.

yeah, but... witch god ?