Why apologize for savagery

Retired_Can_Soldier

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aeon said:
Speculations at his best, otherwise prove it.
Wow you are out there! Is the air thinner in your world? No point in conversing further we are worlds apart. Oh wait, do you really believe the nonsense you are preaching or are you just having me on?

Your kidding right?
 

aeon

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Sassylassie said:
What facts Aeon, all you post is propaganda. It's common knowledge that since September11 the Arabs, Muslim Extremists, and the Middle East have been trying to confuse the moderate groups by deflecting their terrorist acts by blaming the USA. You didn't expect such a back lash of anger from the moderates did ya. So a cleaver a plan was hatched to throw wild plots and theories into the media spot light. Really Aeon, the above groups have been spewing miss-information and bull shit for decades and we the people don't believe a word of it and I pray the moderates don't fall for your bull-shit propaganda. Nighty, night.

Blah blah blah,all you can say, is spewing your stupidity, you didnt even cheeck what i post, but because some of your friend in here tell you that it is propaganda and you believe them, all i can say to you, POOR SHEEP.

You must smoke very good stuff to think that muslim extremist try to confuse us on 9-11, they are very all happy that their brother did suppositly 9-11, actually say to a muslim extremist that 9-11 was done by us goverenemtn and they will feel insulted.Just try and you will see.
 

Sassylassie

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Someone who makes post like his scare me, all I can say is I'm glad I don't live in his hood. The word Treason keeps going around and around in my head.
 

aeon

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Retired_Can_Soldier said:
aeon said:
Speculations at his best, otherwise prove it.
Wow you are out there! Is the air thinner in your world? No point in conversing further we are worlds apart. Oh wait, do you really believe the nonsense you are preaching or are you just having me on?

Your kidding right?


Prove what you say, otherwise, you are just victims of the west propaganda.
 

aeon

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Sassylassie said:
Someone who makes post like his scare me, all I can say is I'm glad I don't live in his hood. The word Treason keeps going around and around in my head.


treason? i admit you make me laugh at least.
 

aeon

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Retired_Can_Soldier said:
AEON: Prove what you say, otherwise, you are just victims of the west propaganda.

Put a sock in your pathetic pie hole. Actually, I have no time for your idiocy so rant til you turn blue.


Exactly you cant prove it, it is just speculation, just like the most of the people in the rights, it is just cool and fun to hate arabs.
 

FiveParadox

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Treason • Re: Savagery

:arrow: Wreck Beach

I have noticed that certain members in this thread have begun to resort to insults and lesser forms of conversation and debate; I would remind the membership of Canadian Content that there is a forum, Wreck Beach, which would be a more appropriate place for conversations that would carry on down that path. I would ask that we please make an honest effort to restore a degree of decorum in this thread, lest the warnings of Haggis McBagpipe be realized, and the thread locked.

:arrow: Treason

I don't understand why the word treason would come to mind, Sassylassie. High treason, in Canada, is restricted to crimes that are committed for the purpose of overthrowing the Government of Canada (or of a province, of course) through force, certain acts to harm Her Majesty the Queen of Canada, attempts to levy war against Canada, aids an enemy of the Canadian Forces at a time of war, or conspiring to do either of the forementioned. aeon appears to have done none of the above and, therefore, charges or implications of treason are unwarranted (and incorrect). Please review Sections 46, 47 and 48 of An Act respecting the Criminal Law (the Criminal Code of Canada) for a more comprehensive explaination.

Click here to read these sections of the Act.
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:arrow: To the Topic at Hand

In my opinion, Muslim extremists, Muslim moderates, and the remainder of the populations of the Western world have each played important parts in some of the problems presented by the present situation. On the part of Muslim extremists, terrible acts have been committed, acts which I would hope and wish are never again committed on the face of this Earth — but acts which have nonetheless been committed, and certain actions are warranted to counter or prevent such attacks.

On the part of Muslim moderates, some would say that the moderate persons of this faith have not expressed a strong-enough objection to the acts committed by their extremist counterparts — yes, perhaps there should be a certain degree of blame to that effect. However, we must keep in mind that as moderate Muslims, perhaps their faith is not the most important thing on their minds. For many moderate persons (such as myself in relation to both my Protestant, and Catholic background {it makes things interested, at least}), actions of the more extreme factions of religions oftentimes do not relate to their moderate counterparts — simply because they are, by nature, moderate.

As for the remainder of the Western world, much blame has been placed on Muslims entirely, with no respect for the division between moderation and extremism — this part of the problem is the fault of the Western world, for inadequately educating itself on the situation. Alienating moderate Muslims from civil society is not the answer to any of the issues before us now, and yet this seems to continue to happen — more particularly, in more rural areas of both Canada and the United States of America.

We need to work together to get through this.

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1. Click here for the Department of Justice Canada.
 

Jay

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As for the remainder of the Western world, much blame has been placed on Muslims entirely, with no respect for the division between moderation and extremism — this part of the problem is the fault of the Western world, for inadequately educating itself on the situation. Alienating moderate Muslims from civil society is not the answer to any of the issues before us now, and yet this seems to continue to happen — more particularly, in more rural areas of both Canada and the United States of America.

The problem with this thinking IMO, like a lot of thinking going on at the moment....the onus isn't on us to understand the "moderate Muslim" the onus is on them. Muslims slammed the planes into building, they blew up the Buddha statues, they threw the Prof out the window, they burned down the embassies, they rioted about cartoons, they declared jihad on the West, they threaten Israel with a new holocaust, they intimidate the west, they demand to change our laws, they riot in Paris, they call America the great Satan, they call us infidels and demand we all leave the middle east, they use blatant racism, they burn down a company because a ferry sunk off the coast of Egypt, they strap bombs to themselves and kill old ladies....it is like Ann Coulter said....rioting Muslims aren't news anymore. If something bad happens and Muslims don't riot, that is news worthy.

So who gives a bit of rat poop if the rural areas pooh, pooh Islam...the point is they love their country and be dammed those who don't. Why do we need to educate ourselves when it is clear "they" don't educate themselves....it is an inefficient waste of time and resources that could be spent on the military. Liberals seem to jump at every chance to defend these people while crapping on Christians at home, calling them homophobic etc....it isn't cutting it in fact it is strengthening our resolve.
 

Sassylassie

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Five, Aeon has stated on this forum that he "Supports Suicide Bombers" he supports "Terrorism" and the" Distruction of Israel" He openly states he will rejoice in the spilled blood of Americans and you have a problem with moi. What do you call this type of attitude? I called it Treason, I'm sorry if that offends you but this is Canada, not the Middle East and I for one will not will not sit quietly back and spout Government Speakess I'll speak my mind. Our guys and gals are putting their lives on the line, and you want me to let Aeon support our very enemy. Hit the mod button Five.


I agree with your post Jay.
 

Jay

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Sassylassie said:
Five, Aeon has stated on this forum that he "Supports Suicide Bombers" he supports "Terrorism" and the" Distruction of Israel" He openly states he will rejoice in the spilled blood of Americans and you have a problem with moi. What do you call this type of attitude? I called it Treason, I'm sorry if that offends you but this is Canada, not the Middle East and I for one will not will not sit quietly back and spout Government Speakess I'll speak my mind. Our guys and gals are putting their lives on the line, and you want me to let Aeon support our very enemy. Hit the mod button Five.


I agree with your post Jay.

He does it to me too.
 

FiveParadox

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I see this is turning quite nicely on me.

I have no intention of reporting posts that I have not read; as for my note to you, Sassylassie, I was not criticising the sentiment, only recognizing the technical fault of the argument — there are crimes, other than treason, that would have more appropriately suited the purpose of your post. As for your post, Jay, you again seem to hold the Western world blameless in all of this, and instead choose to purport that sort of attitude that "each and every Muslim is inherently evil." But it's not true, and damned if I'm going to let you get away with attacking innocent people on a personal level like that.

And no, let's not turn this isn't a "FiveParadox is a terrorist sympathizer" thread, thank you, I've had quite enough of those on American-led forums. I simply choose to take a more practical stance on things — the world isn't black and white, and we need to recognize when there is a gray area.

The Muslim faith is not an enemy to humanity — those who twist it, now they are the enemy, and any argument to suggest, or imply, that every Muslim is somehow complacent in acts of terror is blatently false.
 

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FiveParadox said:
As for your post, Jay, you again seem to hold the Western world blameless in all of this, and instead choose to purport that sort of attitude that "each and every Muslim is inherently evil." But it's not true, and damned if I'm going to let you get away with attacking innocent people on a personal level like that.


You have a problem projecting your problem with this onto me...I can take it but your dead wrong....I didn't say every Muslim is inherently evil, did I? There is enough BS going around, you need not invent anymore of it. In fact if you think I'm attacking Muslims, what does that make what your doing to me? As I said I can take it…it's OK.

Again, the onus isn't on us...we are not at fault. The silence from the "moderate Muslim" crowd is deafening.

You may defend them as you wish, and we are not your American board.
 

darkbeaver

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Jo Canadian said:
aeon said:
Speculation at his best, and it is not surprising from you, same for this whole thread, guys get a grip on life, this is total west propaganda.

The propaganda is a two way street. You're right that the western sources on information are to be second guessed. However in the Mideast there is also much propaganda against the faceless west, even in schools. Many there are content to just lump us in the same group as those they rail against. Unfortunately so do many of "us".

Dammit nothing's ever easy.

Some of that anti-western propaganda is written in Washington.
 

aeon

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Sassylassie said:
Five, Aeon has stated on this forum that he "Supports Suicide Bombers" he supports "Terrorism" and the" Distruction of Israel" He openly states he will rejoice in the spilled blood of Americans and you have a problem with moi. What do you call this type of attitude? I called it Treason, I'm sorry if that offends you but this is Canada, not the Middle East and I for one will not will not sit quietly back and spout Government Speakess I'll speak my mind. Our guys and gals are putting their lives on the line, and you want me to let Aeon support our very enemy. Hit the mod button Five.


I agree with your post Jay.


I support hamas cause i support palestinians, and they choose hamas as their leader, so we must go with it, otherwise, we are a bunch of hypocryte who only believe in democracy when it fits our views, i support iraqie resistance,i support iran,i support all kind of resistance, cause i wouldnt want to be occupied by a bunch of retard who deosnt fuck all of my life and religion.

i never said i support the destruction of israel, i never said i support the killing of americans, again, and not surprising, you are putting word in my mouth that i ve never said, get a grip on your life.
 

aeon

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Jay said:
FiveParadox said:
As for your post, Jay, you again seem to hold the Western world blameless in all of this, and instead choose to purport that sort of attitude that "each and every Muslim is inherently evil." But it's not true, and damned if I'm going to let you get away with attacking innocent people on a personal level like that.


You have a problem projecting your problem with this onto me...I can take it but your dead wrong....I didn't say every Muslim is inherently evil, did I? There is enough BS going around, you need not invent anymore of it. In fact if you think I'm attacking Muslims, what does that make what your doing to me? As I said I can take it…it's OK.

Again, the onus isn't on us...we are not at fault. The silence from the "moderate Muslim" crowd is deafening.

You may defend them as you wish, and we are not your American board.


Supporting israel like you do, supporting blindly the war in iraq, supporting another war against iran, which is completly ridicoulus, shows how much love you have for them.
 

FiveParadox

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aeon, supporting the current Government of the Palestinian Authority is not, in my opinion, a proper way to support Palestinians; I would think that their current Government can serve only to harm their people at this point, since they are likely to be unable to pay for services and programs as their representatives.

Their current Governmen has refused to bow to pressure to agree to certain conditions, in order to receive funding from other nations — external funding is not a right, it is a privilege, and the sooner their current Government recognizes that fact, the sooner they can take on a more moderate stance and get on with the peace process.
 

fuzzylogix

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Hey didnt ya just love that demolition of the buildings as Israel left the Gaza strip...you're not having our homes so we're gonna wreck them. If you're gonna get this land you're gonna get it wrecked!
 

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fuzzylogix said:
Hey didnt ya just love that demolition of the buildings as Israel left the Gaza strip...you're not having our homes so we're gonna wreck them. If you're gonna get this land you're gonna get it wrecked!

They don't want the homes, they want the land. Besides, the few working businesses and homes that the Israelis left behind were burnt/bombed while the Palestinians celebrated their handout.... sorry.. victory.
 

fuzzylogix

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Doryman said:
fuzzylogix said:
Hey didnt ya just love that demolition of the buildings as Israel left the Gaza strip...you're not having our homes so we're gonna wreck them. If you're gonna get this land you're gonna get it wrecked!

They don't want the homes, they want the land. Besides, the few working businesses and homes that the Israelis left behind were burnt/bombed while the Palestinians celebrated their handout.... sorry.. victory.

Oh come on, Doryman. We all saw the footage of them destroying the Israelis homes right after they moved out.

Are you suggesting the Israelis were doing them a favour by destroying the derelict buildings so they could build newer and better ones? How kind of them...Maybe they could actually build them for them.

Dont get me wrong.. I am not against Israel. It is not Israels fault that the British and French decided to carve up other peoples lands and just hand them out. B oth the Palestinians and Israelis have been sadly scuppered by the course of history.