Who's your money on? The ex-community organizer or ex-KGB agent?

Goober

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So what should the West do- Sanctions backfire- Germany would reject them as they depend on Russian gas.
Perhaps we need a war?

So Boomer, what would you do?
 

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(In my best Tim Allen voice) Show em some muscle, ar ar arrrr

I mean just the badge and show them that to the tune of a rattling saber (or reasonable facsimile. A kitchen knife in a bucket would work). :D
 

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And that takes years. As to the Military. The cuts will happen. As to the Missile Shield, that was a no brainer and will now go ahead, you would also note that Fox has missed Russians cheating on Nukes and testing - They should get on with knowing what that profess to talk about.
Energy- New pipelines coming from the Stans are in the works.
Same as the NG off Israel/Cyprus- Going to the EU.
The other major miss by this so called expert is the former Republics of the USSR (hold trillions in oil/gas)- They all got a tad nervous based upon Russian reasoning for invading the Crimea. They all have significant populations of ethnic Russian in their countries.

As to expanding NATO- That is and has always been the plan. Russia is itself safer within NATO as the enemy they fear is China and encroachment in Siberia.
 

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And that takes years. As to the Military. The cuts will happen. As to the Missile Shield, that was a no brainer and will now go ahead, you would also note that Fox has missed Russians cheating on Nukes and testing - They should get on with knowing what that profess to talk about.
Energy- New pipelines coming from the Stans are in the works.
Same as the NG off Israel/Cyprus- Going to the EU.
The other major miss by this so called expert is the former Republics of the USSR (hold trillions in oil/gas)- They all got a tad nervous based upon Russian reasoning for invading the Crimea. They all have significant populations of ethnic Russian in their countries.

As to expanding NATO- That is and has always been the plan. Russia is itself safer within NATO as the enemy they fear is China and encroachment in Siberia.

You're great at criticising, yet you have not offered a solution.. so what would you do.. let's hear it President Goober.

 

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Once again, we're seeing terrifying world events reduced by the US media to a d*** -swinging contest.
CNN and the New York Times seem to think the Russian invasion of the Crimea is just another dispute between Obama and Putin, and they want Obama to swagger around showing everyone how much tougher he is. NYT says



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The Russian occupation of Crimea has challenged Mr. Obama as has no other international crisis, and at its heart, the advice seemed to pose the same question: Is Mr. Obama tough enough to take on the former K.G.B. colonel in the Kremlin? quote




If you want actual news about what is going on,






The Guardian's Seumas Milne dismembers the rank hypocrisy of our position on Ukraine, the role we played in creating this crisis and the villainous cutthroats we're backing.

Diplomatic pronouncements are renowned for hypocrisy and double standards. But western denunciations of Russian intervention in Crimea have reached new depths of self parody. The so far bloodless incursion is an "incredible act of aggression", US secretary of state John Kerry declared. In the 21st century you just don't invade countries on a "completely trumped-up pretext", he insisted, as US allies agreed that it had been an unacceptable breach of international law, for which there will be "costs".


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/02/john-kerry-russia-putin-crimea-ukraine


That the states which launched the greatest act of unprovoked aggression in modern history on a trumped-up pretext – against Iraq, in an illegal war now estimated to have killed 500,000, along with the invasion of Afghanistan, bloody regime change in Libya, and the killing of thousands in drone attacks on Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia, all without UN authorisation – should make such claims is beyond absurdity.



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013/?rptregcta=reg_free_np&rptregcampaign=20131016_rw_membership_n2p_intl_sm_w#close-modal



...The US and European powers openly sponsored the protests to oust the corrupt but elected Viktor Yanukovych government, which were triggered by controversy over an all-or-nothing EU agreement which would have excluded economic association with Russia.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/katrina-vanden-heuvel-the-ukraine-crisis-calls-for-less-bluster-more-common-sense/2014/03/04/efd89812-a313-11e3-a5fa-55f0c77bf39c_story.html



In her notorious "f--k the EU" phone call leaked last month, the US official Victoria Nuland can be heard laying down the shape of a post-Yanukovych government – much of which was then turned into reality when he was overthrown after the escalation of violence a couple of weeks later.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26079957



The president had by then lost political authority, but his overnight impeachment was certainly constitutionally dubious. In his place a government of oligarchs, neoliberal Orange Revolution retreads and neofascists has been installed, one of whose first acts was to try and remove the official status of Russian, spoken by a majority in parts of the south and east, as moves were made to ban the Communist party, which won 13% of the vote at the last election.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/04/who-governing-ukraine-olexander-turchynov



...Fascist gangs now patrol the streets. But they are also in Kiev's corridors of power.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/ukraine-genuine-revolution-tackle-corruption


The far right Svoboda party, whose leader has denounced the "criminal activities" of "organised Jewry" and which was condemned by the European parliament for its "racist and antisemitic views", has five ministerial posts in the new government, including deputy prime minister and prosecutor general. The leader of the even more extreme Right Sector, at the heart of the street violence, is now Ukraine's deputy national security chief.


http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/us-backing-neo-nazis-ukraine



Neo-Nazis in office is a first in post-war Europe. But this is the unelected government now backed by the US and EU.

And in a contemptuous rebuff to the ordinary Ukrainians who protested against corruption and hoped for real change, the new administration has appointed two billionaire oligarchs – one who runs his business from Switzerland – to be the new governors of the eastern cities of Donetsk and Dnepropetrovsk. Meanwhile, the IMF is preparing an eye-watering austerity plan for the tanking Ukrainian economy which can only swell poverty and unemployment.

...Clearly, Putin's justifications for intervention – "humanitarian" protection for Russians and an appeal by the deposed president – are legally and politically flaky, even if nothing like on the scale of "weapons of mass destruction". Nor does Putin's conservative nationalism or oligarchic regime have much wider international appeal.

But Russia's role as a limited counterweight to unilateral western power certainly does. And in a world where the US, Britain, France and their allies have turned international lawlessness with a moral veneer into a permanent routine, others are bound to try the same game.

Fortunately, the only shots fired by Russian forces at this point have been into the air. But the dangers of escalating foreign intervention are obvious. What is needed instead is a negotiated settlement for Ukraine, including a broad-based government in Kiev shorn of fascists; a federal constitution that guarantees regional autonomy; economic support that doesn't pauperise the majority; and a chance for people in Crimea to choose their own future. Anything else risks spreading the conflict.




BBC News - As it happened: Ukraine crisis - grip tightens