Who judges God?
- Thread starter Johnnny
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Why not rely on the words of the greatest man that ever lived.
M't:11:11:
Verily I say unto you,
Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist:
notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Joh:1:1-20:
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him;
and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life;
and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness;
and the darkness comprehended it not.
There was a man sent from God,
whose name was John.
The same came for a witness,
to bear witness of the Light,
that all men through him might believe.
He was not that Light,
but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light,
which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
He was in the world,
and the world was made by him,
and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own,
and his own received him not.
But as many as received him,
to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on his name:
Which were born,
not of blood,
nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man,
but of God.
And the Word was made flesh,
and dwelt among us,
(and we beheld his glory,
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth.
John bare witness of him,
and cried,
saying,
This was he of whom I spake,
He that cometh after me is preferred before me:
for he was before me.
And of his fulness have all we received,
and grace for grace.
For the law was given by Moses,
but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
No man hath seen God at any time;
the only begotten Son,
which is in the bosom of the Father,
he hath declared him.
And this is the record of John,
when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him,
Who art thou?
And he confessed,
and denied not;
but confessed,
I am not the Christ.
The RCC fell away from the truth, just like they were supposed to. God also had Adam and Eve fall into sin rather than some of their distant grand-kids be the first sinner. Perfection comes with the return. If the RCC (or any group) could do things right there would be no need of a return. In the OT there would have been no exile into Babylon for the Jews or being pit into the PIT if you are a fallen angel.
2Th:2:1-4:
Now we beseech you,
brethren,
by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and by our gathering together unto him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind,
or be troubled,
neither by spirit,
nor by word,
nor by letter as from us,
as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed,
the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.
The letter that is mentioned is the Book of Revelations, it was published about 100AD. The falling away was the change from the Greek NT and Hebrew OT. Those are the references used in the 1611KJV and that is the only Bible that does. Completed by 450AD. The 2nd prophecy can only be fulfilled by Satan at some point during the time the two witnesses are in the grave. Their Ministry has not started yet. The two witnesses are mentioned in Daniel several times. This reference is true because Rome was in control in 70AD when Luke:21:24 was fulfilled and 'the time of the Gentiles' started. The Church and the two witnesses are active during the 3 1/2 years that unfolds before the day of the return happens. That is the day He raises the two witnesses from the grave. The part below is to help show Rome's position in prophecy when they are just in the brass as fallen angels killing them is when the iron/clay kingdom has Jerusalem as it's capital. The two witnesses start 4 days before Satan begins the 42 months he is given so he cannot build anything before or after those 4 days.
Unsound doctrine today promotes a 7 year tribulation rather than a 3 1/2 year one that Revelations promotes.
Since that is a bruise event from Ge:3:15 it should follow the same pattern that precede the cross. That was also a 3 1/2 year period of time. How that is arrived at will be explained in greater detail below when the 70th week is explored.
Neb's vision covered a swath of time that went from the day Daniel did what Da:2 says he did for Neb. When Christ claims Jerusalem at the start of a global reign that is the defeat that gives Him those qualities. Head=qualified king over the earth and all living things in it. Silver is two strong arms referencing God and the Holy Spirit, legs that represent longevity and feet of iron as the ability to move things or something along that line. The authority over birds and beasts of the fields is in the book and fits in better with the 'day of the lord' series as it covers all the passages it appears in.
Da:2:32-35:
This image's head was of fine gold,
his breast and his arms of silver,
his belly and his thighs of brass,
His legs of iron,
his feet part of iron and part of clay.
Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands,
which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay,
and brake them to pieces.
Then was the iron,
the clay,
the brass,
the silver,
and the gold,
broken to pieces together,
and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors;
and the wind carried them away,
that no place was found for them:
and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain,
and filled the whole earth.
Da:2:36-39:
This is the dream;
and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
Thou,
O king,
art a king of kings:
for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom,
power,
and strength,
and glory.
And wheresoever the children of men dwell,
the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand,
and hath made thee ruler over them all.
Thou art this head of gold.
And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee,
and another third kingdom of brass,
which shall bear rule over all the earth.
Alexander the Great only ruled over Jerusalem for about a year and for the rest of the time Greece controlled that city it was one General and Greece eventually lost control so that the 'little horn' verses could begin. They reference Rome's full 50 rule over Jerusalem and most of the known world at that time. The details of what is accomplished is in the 4 Gospels as well as the rest of the NT text and the last line is referencing the RCC having the correct text and the correct understanding as late as 323AD but with the change to a Latin Bible the truth was lost yet the false religion lived on just as it does today. Just revealing that the beloved Disciple who wrote the two most important NT books is pushed aside for false worship of Mary, mother of Jesus. Mary's sermon is for the events connected to the bruise to her son's heel. Her sacrifice at losing her 1st son has huge rewards attached to it. The last woman in Re:12 is Mary of Bethany who will be the first one of the 12 Tribes to be resurrected to life, she will be married to Jesus at that time. The New Earth era is their honeymoon.
Da:8:8-12:
Therefore the he goat waxed very great:
and when he was strong,
the great horn was broken;
and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,
which waxed exceeding great,
toward the south,
and toward the east,
and toward the pleasant land.
And it waxed great,
even to the host of heaven;
and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground,
and stamped upon them.
Yea,
he magnified himself even to the prince of the host,
and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away,
and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground;
and it practised,
and prospered.
The time below goes from when the 70 weeks started with the day John the Baptist was called (26AD as 3 1/2 years later 30AD Passover was on a Friday happened and 3 1/2 years after that Peter started teaching Gentile in Acts:10)
The last anointing was the ride into Jerusalem as that was a prophecy that was to be fulfilled by a King rather than by the High Priest that Jesus was during the Gospels. The anointing the night before by Mary of Bethany was to do with His death later that same day. Fulfillment of the bruise to the heel is an important way point as far as the reconciliation of mankind back to God.
Da:9:24-25:
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
to finish the transgression,
and to make an end of sins,
and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
and to anoint the most Holy.
Know therefore and understand,
that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks,
and threescore and two weeks:
the street shall be built again,
and the wall,
even in troublous times.
The troublesome times would be the whole time between Greece losing control of Jerusalem and Rome gaining control in 63BC.
Da:9:26:
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,
but not for himself:
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
and the end thereof shall be with a flood,
and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
When God called John the Baptist the clock started on a period of 3 1/2 that would unwind before the event mentioned at mid-week. The Gospel of John contains some events after Jesus came back from the wilderness but before John was in prison. The Gospels of Matthew and Mark skip over until Jesus was no longer cut-off from being the High Priest at a level that was higher than just for the 12 Tribes.
Romans:13 gave the leaders of Rome authority to use the sword against evil as a way of protecting its own people from danger, so Rome has as much authority at that point as Neb did about 600 years earlier. Neb's is called God's servant more than once in Scripture. The last desolation to happen is the 7 vials and that is over a few hours after it starts, Prior to that is 3 1/2 years when fallen angels are the cause of much tribulation and for 4 days before that the earth experiences physical acts attributed to prophecy that show the coming events are literal rather than figurative.
The 'he' in the verse below is God, the same mentioned in association with covenants at the start of the 70 weeks passage. Mid week was the cross and Acts:10 was 3 1/2 years later.Prior to that Stephen was killed, the blood sacrifices continued and the money-changers returned. The consummation is the scattering mentioned in De:4:30 and the scattering associated with it. The consummation would be when Jesus says, 'It is finished.' as He pours out the 7th vial and the next event is the resurrection that happen as Re:10 unfolds as that is associated with Re:20:4.
Da:9:27:
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
even until the consummation,
and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Da:9:4:
And I prayed unto the LORD my God,
and made my confession,
and said,
O Lord,
the great and dreadful God,
keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him,
and to them that keep his commandments;
Da:8:18-23:
Now as he was speaking with me,
I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground:
but he touched me,
and set me upright.
And he said,
Behold,
I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation:
for at the time appointed the end shall be.
he ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
And the rough goat is the king of Grecia:
and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Now that being broken,
whereas four stood up for it,
four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation,
but not in his power.
And in the latter time of their kingdom,
when the transgressors are come to the full,
a king of fierce countenance,
and understanding dark sentences,
shall stand up.
The first and last verse in the selection below takes place at the start of Re:11 and the start of the 1260 days the two witnesses are active and the last verse is also for that same place. The 12 in between are for the Apostles and their stay in Jerusalem until 70AD. 70AD was the time the temple in Re:4 became the active way to repent your sins. Saying the Lord's Prayer will get your prayers heard as they rise as vapor from the altar. Daniel used the same method when he was in exile in Neb's Babylon. The list of things given in the 70 weeks verses should have been experienced during that time. If not the rest of the NT would also be just as valid.
Lu:21:11-25:
And great earthquakes shall be in divers places,
and famines,
and pestilences;
and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
But before all these,
they shall lay their hands on you,
and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues,
and into prisons,
being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
And it shall turn to
you for a testimony.
Settle it therefore in your hearts,
not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
or I will give you a mouth and wisdom,
which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
And ye shall be betrayed both by parents,
and brethren,
and kinsfolks,
and friends;
and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
In your patience possess ye your souls.
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies,
then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains;
and let them which are in the midst of it depart out;
and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
For these be the days of vengeance,
that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
But woe unto them that are with child,
and to them that give suck,
in those days!
for there shall be great distress in the land,
and wrath upon this people.
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword,
and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
And there shall be signs in the sun,
and in the moon,
and in the stars;
and upon the earth distress of nations,
with perplexity;
the sea and the waves roaring;
Re:11:1-13:
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod:
and the angel stood,
saying,
Rise,
and measure the temple of God,
and the altar,
and them that worship therein.
But the court which is without the temple leave out,
and measure it not;
for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth.
If that is too much, print it out and give it to your Priest under the sin of listening to unsound doctrine.
The RCC was the Church that us threatened with being thrown into Great Tribulation if they did not return to the truth as given by the original Scripture they would be killed by Jesus when He pours out all 7 vials in just a few hours on the same day He resurrects the two witnesses.
Zec:14:1-3: Zec:13:8-9: Zec:13:16: Re:16:15-21:
Behold,
the day of the LORD cometh,
and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle;
and the city shall be taken,
and the houses rifled,
and the women ravished;
and half of the city shall go forth into captivity,
and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then shall the LORD go forth,
and fight against those nations,
as when he fought in the day of battle.
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.
And it shall come to pass,
that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King,
the LORD of hosts,
and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Behold,
I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth,
and keepeth his garments,
lest he walk naked,
and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven,
from the throne,
saying,
It is done.
And there were voices,
and thunders,
and lightnings;
and there was a great earthquake,
such as was not since men were upon the earth,
so mighty an earthquake,
and so great.
And the great city was divided into three parts,
and the cities of the nations fell:
and great Babylon came in remembrance before God,
to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
And every island fled away,
and the mountains were not found.
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven,
every stone about the weight of a talent:
and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail;
for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Behold,
I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth,
and keepeth his garments,
lest he walk naked,
and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven,
from the throne,
saying,
It is done.
And there were voices,
and thunders,
and lightnings;
and there was a great earthquake,
such as was not since men were upon the earth,
so mighty an earthquake,
and so great.
And the great city was divided into three parts,
and the cities of the nations fell:
and great Babylon came in remembrance before God,
to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
And every island fled away,
and the mountains were not found.
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven,
every stone about the weight of a talent:
and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail;
for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Big breath, and then, . . . . , 1,000 years later, . . . the almost climax
Ti:2:13:
Looking for that blessed hope,
and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Followed by the climax.
Heb:12:22-23:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Re:7:9-17:
After this I beheld,
and,
lo,
a great multitude,
which no man could number,
of all nations,
and kindreds,
and people,
and tongues,
stood before the throne,
and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
And cried with a loud voice,
saying,
Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne,
and unto the Lamb.
And all the angels stood round about the throne,
and about the elders and the four beasts,
and fell before the throne on their faces,
and worshipped God,
Saying,
Amen:
Blessing,
and glory,
and wisdom,
and thanksgiving,
and honour,
and power,
and might,
be unto our God for ever and ever.
Amen.
And one of the elders answered,
saying unto me,
What are these which are arrayed in white robes?
and whence came they?
And I said unto him,
Sir,
thou knowest.
And he said to me,
These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes,
and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God,
and serve him day and night in his temple:
and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more,
neither thirst any more;
neither shall the sun light on them,
nor any heat.
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them,
and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters:
and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Then comes the longer part. . . . .
The RCC was the Church that us threatened with being thrown into Great Tribulation if they did not return to the truth as given by the original Scripture they would be killed by Jesus when He pours out all 7 vials in just a few hours on the same day He resurrects the two witnesses.
Zec:14:1-3: Zec:13:8-9: Zec:13:16: Re:16:15-21:
Behold,
the day of the LORD cometh,
and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle;
and the city shall be taken,
and the houses rifled,
and the women ravished;
and half of the city shall go forth into captivity,
and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then shall the LORD go forth,
and fight against those nations,
as when he fought in the day of battle.
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.
And it shall come to pass,
that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King,
the LORD of hosts,
and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Behold,
I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth,
and keepeth his garments,
lest he walk naked,
and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven,
from the throne,
saying,
It is done.
And there were voices,
and thunders,
and lightnings;
and there was a great earthquake,
such as was not since men were upon the earth,
so mighty an earthquake,
and so great.
And the great city was divided into three parts,
and the cities of the nations fell:
and great Babylon came in remembrance before God,
to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
And every island fled away,
and the mountains were not found.
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven,
every stone about the weight of a talent:
and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail;
for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Behold,
I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth,
and keepeth his garments,
lest he walk naked,
and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven,
from the throne,
saying,
It is done.
And there were voices,
and thunders,
and lightnings;
and there was a great earthquake,
such as was not since men were upon the earth,
so mighty an earthquake,
and so great.
And the great city was divided into three parts,
and the cities of the nations fell:
and great Babylon came in remembrance before God,
to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
And every island fled away,
and the mountains were not found.
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven,
every stone about the weight of a talent:
and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail;
for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Big breath, and then, . . . . , 1,000 years later, . . . the almost climax
Ti:2:13:
Looking for that blessed hope,
and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Followed by the climax.
Heb:12:22-23:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Re:7:9-17:
After this I beheld,
and,
lo,
a great multitude,
which no man could number,
of all nations,
and kindreds,
and people,
and tongues,
stood before the throne,
and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
And cried with a loud voice,
saying,
Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne,
and unto the Lamb.
And all the angels stood round about the throne,
and about the elders and the four beasts,
and fell before the throne on their faces,
and worshipped God,
Saying,
Amen:
Blessing,
and glory,
and wisdom,
and thanksgiving,
and honour,
and power,
and might,
be unto our God for ever and ever.
Amen.
And one of the elders answered,
saying unto me,
What are these which are arrayed in white robes?
and whence came they?
And I said unto him,
Sir,
thou knowest.
And he said to me,
These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes,
and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God,
and serve him day and night in his temple:
and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more,
neither thirst any more;
neither shall the sun light on them,
nor any heat.
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them,
and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters:
and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Then comes the longer part. . . . .
