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zoofer

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Did someone mention Ann? Can you feel the love of the Treason Times?

NYT, Broken Clock: Both Occasionally Correct

by Ann Coulter
Posted Mar 29, 2006

The New York Times has been urgently warning congressional Republicans to abandon the Iraq War or face ruination in the November elections. Of course, for three years now, the Times has predicted that all world leaders who supported the war would be thrown out of office on their ears.

However embattled they are, I don't think Republicans are at the point of taking advice from the mainstream media, but let's look at the facts.

Four major world leaders who sent troops to Iraq have faced elections since the war's inception -- Jose Maria Aznar in Spain, John Howard in Australia, Tony Blair in Britain and Junichiro Koizumi in Japan. Three of them won re-elections in campaigns that centered on their support for the Iraq war.

Only in Spain did voters capitulate to savagery and vote in an al Qaeda-friendly government in response to their trains being bombed the week before the election. Unaware that there is NO CONNECTION between al-Qaida and Iraq, al Qaeda's European spokesman explained that the terrorist attack was intended to punish Spain for supporting the Iraq war. Spanish voters duly complied, making terrorist attacks in the rest of the world more likely. Muchas gracias, Spano-weenies.

But in the three other elections, Iraq war-supporting prime ministers won historic victories. During the run-up to each of these elections, the New York Times described them as referendums on the war and predicted defeat for any leader who had supported war in Iraq. Only when the war-supporting leaders won did the Times change its mind and decide these elections were really about the economy, privatizing the post office, Tony Blair's tie, "The Sopranos" -- anything but the war.

In the run-up to Australian Prime Minister Howard's re-election, the Times noted that he had "made the alliance with Washington a key element of his tenure." The Times was hopeful that Australia would be as pathetic as Spain, noting that "with al Qaeda threatening reprisals for the country's support of the United States in Iraq -- a war that most Australians opposed -- is Australia poised to become the next Spain? Will it become the next country to abandon President Bush?"

On the eve of Howard's re-election bid in October 2004, the Times ran an article titled: "War in Iraq Plays a Role in Elections in Australia," saying Howard's opponents promised to "have the troops home by Christmas."

When Howard walloped the opposition in the election a few days later, becoming only the third prime minister of Australia ever to be elected to a fourth term, the Times headline was: "Australians Re-Elect Howard As Economy Trumps the War."

As Blair approached British elections in April 2005, the Times ran an article titled: "With 10 Days to British Vote, War Emerges as Top Issue." As the Times cheerfully reminded its readers: "The prospect of war drew huge street protests here in early 2003, and in the aftermath Mr. Blair was -- and is still is -- accused by many people of misleading Britons about the legality and the rationale for the invasion." The war had "damaged Mr. Blair's credibility and left many Britons mistrustful of him."

The Times cited "many Britons" who said "their vote will be swayed by the fact that, while Mr. Blair spoke so forcefully of a threat from Iraqi unconventional weapons, none were ever found."

And then Blair went on to win the election, becoming the first Labor Party candidate to win a third term in the party's 100-year history. It was almost as if "many other Britons" believed in the cause the British military was fighting for in Iraq! The Times took solace in the fact that his margin was lower than in previous elections -- "reflecting his unpopularity over the war in Iraq."

One year before elections in Japan, the Times was predicting defeat for Koizumi, a loyal friend to President Bush and an implacable supporter of the war in Iraq.

Reporting on the unpopularity of the Iraq War in Japan, the Times said "polls indicate that the population is against an extension" of Japanese troops serving in Iraq and that the opposition vowed to withdraw troops. Indeed, "some members of Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's own party have been calling for the troops' withdrawal."

And then in September 2005, Koizumi's party won a landslide. The Times described this as mainly a victory for the prime minister's idea to privatize the post office, explaining that Koizumi had won "by making postal privatization -- an arcane issue little understood by most voters -- a litmus test for reform," thus confirming the age-old political truism, "Most elections hinge on arcane, obscure issues voters don't know or care about."

As congressional Republicans decide whether to take the Times' advice and back away from the war this election year, they might reflect on a fourth world leader who won re-election while supporting the Iraq war. Just about four months before Bush was re-elected in 2004, the Times put this on its front page: "President Bush's job approval rating has fallen to the lowest level of his presidency, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll. The poll found Americans stiffening their opposition to the Iraq war, worried that the invasion could invite domestic terrorist attacks."

Maybe it was his support for the post office.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=13635&o=ANN001
 

zoofer

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In each quoted case it is easy to identify the socialist Leftwing.

Are facts obsolete?

By Thomas Sowell

Apr 4, 2006

What is more frightening than any particular policy or ideology is the widespread habit of disregarding facts. Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey put it this way: "Demagoguery beats data."

People who urge us to rely on the United Nations, instead of acting "unilaterally," or who urge us to follow other countries in creating a government-run medical care system, often show not the slightest interest in getting facts about the actual track record of either the UN or government-run medical systems.

Those who believe in affirmative action likewise usually see no reason to find out what actually happens under such policies, as distinguished from what they wish, hope, or imagine happens.

The crusade for "a living wage" that will enable a worker to support a family proceeds without the slightest interest in finding out whether most people who are making low wages actually have any family to support -- much less seeking out the facts about what actually happens after the government sets wages.

People who have made up their minds and don't want to be confused by the facts are a danger to the whole society. Since the votes of such people count just as much as the votes of people who know what they are talking about, politicians have every incentive to pass laws and create policies that pander to ignorant notions, if those notions are widespread.

Even institutions that are set up to pass on facts -- the media, schools, academia -- too often treat facts as expendable and use their strategic positions to filter out facts which go against their own preconceptions.

Crimes against homosexuals, blacks, or the homeless are big news to be dramatized, repeated, and denounced. Crimes committed by homosexuals, blacks, or the homeless are not -- and are often passed over in silence by much of the media. The net result is that the public gets filtered facts, which can create an impression the direct opposite of the truth.

We learn from the media's filtered facts that there are countries with stronger gun-control laws than ours which have lower murder rates. We seldom, if ever, learn from the media about countries which have stronger gun-control laws than ours and whose murder rates are two or three times higher than ours.

The media also filter out facts about countries where gun ownership is far more widespread than in the United States -- and who nevertheless have lower murder rates.

Those who are in the business of teaching the young, whether in the public schools or on college campuses, too often see this not as a responsibility to pass on what is known but as an opportunity to indoctrinate students with their own beliefs. Many "educators" and the gurus who indoctrinated them actively disparage "mere facts," which they say you can get from an almanac or encyclopedia.

The net result is a student population that does not even know enough to know what needs to be looked up, much less how to analyze facts, so as to test opposing beliefs -- as distinguished from how to gather information to support a preconceived notion that happens to be fashionable in the schools and colleges.

Yet people are considered to be "educated" after they have spent so many years in ivy-covered buildings, absorbing the preconceptions that prevail there.

Facts that go against preconceived notions are likely to be ignored, even by many scholars. For example, slavery is an issue that is widely discussed as if it were something peculiar to Africans enslaved by Europeans, instead of something suffered and inflicted around the world by people of every race, color, and religion.

Two books about a million European slaves taken to North Africa have been published in recent years. That is more than the number of African slaves brought to America. The books are "Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters" by Robert Davis and "White Gold" by Giles Milton. Both books have been largely ignored by the media and academia alike.

Apparently scholars, as well as journalists, have made up their minds and don't want to be confused by the facts.

Thomas Sowell is the prolific author of books such as Black Rednecks and White Liberals and Applied Economics.
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/thomassowell/2006/04/04/192338.html
 

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I don't know if you ask me, the extreme right and the extreme left hate each other about the same. As you move away fromt he extremes lets say socialists and ultra conservatives it becomes a little less, social democrats and conservatives, even less still untill you hit the centre left and right were it pretty much becomes just an inconvince. *shrugs*
 

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What is more frightening than any particular policy or ideology is the widespread habit of disregarding facts. Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey put it this way: "Demagoguery beats data."




And which political extremist ideologues pretended that WMD were in existence in Iraq, that this country had 45 minute attack capability, and was in imminent danger of attacking the West? The same ideologues who have arrested tens of thousands of people in overseas prisons without charge and which have included innocent civilians who are totally unrelated to or involved with terrorism. The same ideologues who have now killed over 100 thousand civilians in a bloody war on Iraq so that Iraqis citizens are today saying that they were better off under Saddam?

Yes, extremist punditry is a menace to society and to the world at large. But it is the present regime in the White House that has set the example that some are imitating. Since this regime has failed to be accountable for its erroneous action, others have taken it upon themselves to imitate its pathetic examples and the result have been unfavorable to say the least.

Society needs responsibility and accountability. But responsibility flows to the top.



[edited for spelling error]
 

Jay

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We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States.
Ann Coulter
 

JoeyB

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Yep... the only way you can control people is to keep them fearful

just gotta work out who's more scary... fundamentalists or bush.
 

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Jay said:
We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States.
Ann Coulter


Well the liberals are doing a great job against fundamentalist, bush, ascroft, delay and many more in the administrations are fundamentalist christian.
 

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zoofer said:
In each quoted case it is easy to identify the socialist Leftwing.


Of course you like Ann coulter......


According to a 2002 submission in the UCLA Daily Bruin, Coulter has suggested that she supported the apartheid in South Africa, calling the black people there "savages." The Bruin printed: "In response to a question on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Miss Coulter said she supported the government of Israel for the same reason she supported apartheid in South Africa, because they were surrounded by 'savages.'" See: Attention-getting Coulter distorts realities [19].



Other expressions that Coulter uses to describe Muslims include "camel jockey", "jihad monkey" and "tent merchant". On her website, she has also commented that "The 'offense to Islam' ruse is merely an excuse for Muslims to revert to their default mode: rioting and setting things on fire
 

Jay

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The amazing part of the great Danish cartoon caper isn't that Muslims immediately engage in acts of mob violence when things don't go their way. That is de rigueur for the Religion of Peace. Their immediate response to all bad news is mass violence. That's a "dog bites man" story and belongs on page B-34, next to the grade school hot lunch menu and the birth notices.

After an Egyptian ferry capsized recently, killing hundreds of passengers, a whole braying mob of passengers' relatives staged an organized attack on the company, throwing furniture out the window and burning the building to the ground. Witnesses say it was the most violent ocean liner-related incident since Carnival Cruise Lines fired Kathie Lee Gifford.

The "offense to Islam" ruse is merely an excuse for Muslims to revert to their default mode: rioting and setting things on fire. These people have a serious anger management problem.

So it's not exactly a scoop that Muslims are engaging in violence. A front-page story would be "Offended Muslims Remain Calm."
 

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The only problem I see in fundamentalism per se, is that it so often, precedes facism. Which is a problem. A Big Problem.

Bush on the other hand really, is just a Problem, a Royal Pain In The Arse type of problem...

but because a pain in the arse could also be linked to haemorroids, this undoubtedly could be a serious catch 22 situation... war against fundamentalism might cause the haemorroids to flare up, and you wouldn't want that... conversely, war against Bush might stop the haemorroids, but not without them becoming a bigger pain in the arse first. and then there is of course, still a problem left to be dealt with - the fundamentalist issue.

catch 22?
almost... maybe those iranian233mph torpedoes in a perfectly timed impact, could cauterize the haemorroids, without being too much of a pain in the arse, and if a couple backfired on the Fundamentalists firing them, the situation might be bearable...

Of course, if anyone is taking these statements seriously, they need to see a proctologist ASAP. It might be a Tumor.
 

Jay

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The mass violence by Muslims over some cartoons reminds us why we have to worry when countries like Iran start talking about having nukes. Iran is led by a lunatic who makes a big point of denying the Holocaust. Indeed, in response to the Muhammad cartoons, one Iranian newspaper is soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust. (So far the only submissions have come from Ted Rall, Garry Trudeau and The New York Times.)

Iran is certainly implying that it has nukes. Maybe they do, maybe they don't, but you can't take chances with berserk psychotics. What if they start having one of these bipolar episodes with a nuclear bomb?

If you don't want to get shot by the police, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, then don't point a toy gun at them. Or, as I believe our motto should be after 9/11: Jihad monkey talks tough; jihad monkey takes the consequences. Sorry, I realize that's offensive. How about "camel jockey"? What? Now what'd I say? Boy, you tent merchants sure are touchy. Grow up, would you?

In addition, I believe we are legally required to be bombing Syria right now. And unlike the Quran's alleged prohibition on depictions of Muhammad, I've got documentation to back that up!
 

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I believe the short answer to the question posed in the thread title is: Ann Coulter. She’s a vicious hack with no respect for facts, a sloppy researcher who cheerfully makes things up to suit her purposes, and doesn’t understand the difference between legitimate criticism and abuse. And the one time I saw her interviewed, it was clear she has the instincts of a bully. I’ve read one book of hers, Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right, and that’s more than enough. Fortunately, it was a library book, I didn’t buy it personally.

She once shrieked at a disabled Vietnam veteran, “People like you caused us to lose that war.” She routinely referred to Bill Clinton as a pervert, a liar, and a felon, and Hillary Clinton as pond scum and white trash. Upon seeing anti-American demonstration in Arab nations following 9/11 she suggested the appropriate response was to invade those countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity. Presumably she meant at the point of a gun. She’s compared Katie Couric to Eva Braun, and later added Joseph Goebbels when Couric challenged her in an interview. She routinely dismisses her critics as dimwits, birdbrains, half-wits, and worse, without actually dealing with their criticisms.

In a column at Townhall.com, she described Robert Kennedy’s assassin, Sirhan Sirhan, as “the first Muslim to bring the classic religion-of-peace protest to American shores, when, in support of the Palestinians, he assassinated Robert Kennedy.” Sirhan was in fact a Christian of Arab descent, not a Muslim, which renders her point irrelevant. In Slander she perpetuates mythology about Al Gore being a lying boaster because of his claim that he was at least partly the inspiration for George Segal’s novel Love Story. She refers to it four times, on pages 145, 154, 159, and 160. But according to Segal himself, it’s actually true. She makes much in Slander of Ronald Reagan’s supposedly single-handed victory in the Cold War, when in fact the Berlin Wall came down and the USSR collapsed during the elder Bush’s administration; she never explains how they were Reagan’s doing. She generally argues that Reagan exhausted the USSR with huge increases in American military spending and forcing the Soviets to keep pace, when the facts are that Reagan’s policies had almost no effect on Soviet spending. The USSR was about to collapse under its own weight regardless of anything Reagan did. Coulter doesn’t produce any historical evidence or argument to support her claim, she just keeps repeating it like a mantra, as if mere repetition would make it true.

Well, there’s no need to multiply examples indefinitely. Coulter’s a liar and a bully who invents facts and falsifies the record to support her inflammatory views, and since I read Slander and did a little fact checking I see no reason to ever take her seriously or pay any attention at all to anything she says. She has nothing of any value to say.
 

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Seeing further quotes from Ms. Ann Coulter would lead me to believe that she believes left-wing persons to be the inherent enemy of the United States of America, or any free and democratic nation, for that matter. Furthermore, she doesn't seem to have based her arguments on fact — rather, she appears to launch baseless insults across the bows of her opponents. I would wonder whether or not there is any basis to the things that she says.
 

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when Someone lets Ann Coulter visit Guantanamo, and accidentally on purpose locks her in a cell 'as a terror suspect' then we'll all be better off. She doesn't deserve to have a bullet wasted on her.
 

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I am a Conservative and I find Ann Coulter to be a disgusting overated uneducated idiot who on National Television claimed Canada was in Vietnam as a Nation.

She later went on to recant and say she meant Canadians who had come South to sign up.

But she really didn't know.

She is as insulting as she is ignorant.
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Jay

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You would actually have to read her stuff Five.

Dexter…


She’s a vicious hack with no respect for facts, a sloppy researcher who cheerfully makes things up to suit her purposes, and doesn’t understand the difference between legitimate criticism and abuse.

She is a product of exactly the same use of above from Democrats....For some reason (unknown to me) the right is to hold itself up to higher ideals than the left. Why? She is defiantly not hack…I mean if she is, the words people must use against her opponents must be hideous.

She is right to point out that Democrats in America are in opposition to American values and security....does she use wit and humour to do so, sure.....but it is far better than crying us a river (as the left does) and providing only three resolves to any issues Americans seem to have...1.) Raise taxes. 2.) Step on free speech. 3.) Gun control.

The Ronald Regan bit is sort of how you look at it. Did Ron do it single handily? No, but would the left take all the credit if Bill Clinton had won the cold war? Yes. It’s the game we play with the Dems….but Ron did put enormous amounts of pressure on the Soviets, that’s a fact. Did the Democrats lend their hand in supporting these measurements or did they whine and complain and call Ron dumb?

Is she right on every point she makes? No, but she has a better track record than her opponents and she is good at nailing the Dems with their own psychosis. Geesh, at least she loves and respects her country and doesn’t support Iran, can her counter parts say that? No.

I think she sums up the Liberal mentality quite nicely with this gem….

This is the way addled liberals really think. Even as they champion sucking the brains out of little babies, they think of themselves as indelibly compassionate because they favor an overweening, behemoth federal government.



More of the goods.

Last week, Washington Post columnist Lloyd Grove wrote a cynical piece about Ann Coulter's new book, "Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right." He opined that Miss Coulter, whom he called "a human Uzi," had "lumped" his fellow Post columnist Howard Kurtz with "liberal" journalists who – the author notes – regularly distort conservative utterances, which are "paraphrased, unfairly excerpted, summarized or ... invented out of whole cloth."
Grove quoted Kurtz as saying that "Coulter is apparently still angry about his reporting last fall on her dust-up with National Review Online, whose editors she insulted as "girly-boys." They responded by dropping her weekly column.
"I guess I committed the sin of accurately quoting Ann's comments, which got her dumped by National Review, which is not exactly part of the liberal media conspiracy," Kurtz wrote. But I still think Ann can be very funny."
NewsMax.com asked Ann what she thought of Grove's column and Kurtz's reply.
"I liked it ... though the book is even more vitriolic [than Grove wrote]. The reason I liked it is that Grove quotes me – and the quotes are things I actually said! That is stunningly rare.
'The Left's Logic Deficit'
"What liberals normally do in response to a principled conservative argument is lie, manufacture quotes, and call conservatives names – as some dissolute drunk did in the New York Post a few days later. The left's logic deficit is a topic I explore thoroughly in my book. Buy it and prepare to have your blood run hot.
"Oh, and for the record, Howard Kurtz is wrong about the reason I call him the Liberal Ombusdman for Liberal Media Bias in my book – it was not the 'girly-boy' quote. Paradoxically, that is the ONLY time Kurtz has quoted me accurately."
In her book Coulter cites examples of CBS News anchorman Dan Rather's leftist bias numerous times, much to what has to be his enormous discomfort. NewsMax asked her that, given the fact that Rather's leftist bias is so blatantly obvious that he sounds more and more like a parody of himself, does she believe he still can have any impact on public opinion?
"Yes! He may be the baby seal of right-wing fundraising letters, but he still reaches millions of people," she said.
"The reason propaganda works is that most people are too involved or too stupid to recognize it as propaganda. People claim to understand the bias and filter it out, but that's absurd. Of course they don't.
Attention, Katie Couric
"Though Rather is congenitally bad – an admirable heir to Walter Cronkite and his special form of treasonous broadcasting – more insidious are certain chirpy girl-next-door morning TV hosts who characterize the beliefs of ordinary middle-class Americans in terms that would make Goebbels blush."
In her book, Coulter writes that conservative books sell like hot cakes, conservative talk show hosts dominate the airwaves, and the public shows every indication of leaning to the right and has some hostility to liberals and their positions. This being true, why does almost half the electorate vote for the National Socialist Democrat party (NSDP), which is owned lock, stock and barrel by the Marxist left?
Leftists 'Vote on the Basis of Urges'
"Liberals don't read books – they don't read anything," she said. "That's why they're liberals. They watch TV, absorb the propaganda, and vote on the basis of urges.
"Moreover, consider that fewer than half the people in this country pay federal income tax. Fifty percent of the populace voting for the Democrats isn't bad when you realize that."
About the other 50 percent, she wrote, "Evidently, there are still some moral human beings in America who don't want to take other people's income."
In "Slander," Coulter says abortion is the left's "only remaining cause." NewsMax asked her if that's due to the fact that the multibillion-dollar abortion industry is one of its prime sources of political funding.
"No, no – there's a chicken and egg problem with that theory," she replied.
'Their Cause: Spreading Anarchy'
"Liberals' only remaining big issue is abortion because of their beloved sexual revolution. That's their cause: Spreading anarchy and polymorphous perversity. Abortion permits that."
In "Slander, one of Coulter's targets is the radical environmentalist movement. Noting that the terrorists with whom the U.S. is at war seek to destroy the U.S. economy and bring the nation to its knees, throwing millions of Americans out of work and reducing America to their own poverty-stricken level, we asked if that isn't the exact effect radical environmentalism is having on the economy, with more success than al-Qaeda?
NewsMax also noted that it's costing miners, ranchers, farmers, fishermen and lumbermen their livelihoods, burning millions of acres of forestland, depriving us of domestic sources of energy such as Alaskan oil. What can be done to convince the American people that the deadliest enemy is right here at home in the radical environmentalist movement?
Environmentalists 'out to Destroy the Country'
"We should be fingerprinting environmentalists," Coulter replied. "As for what can be done to convince Americans that we face an enemy that hates America as much as the terrorists, we should put people like Ann Coulter on TV more, stop with the infernal nonsense of thinking liberals are decent but misguided people, and characterize the threat appropriately.
"Start by telling the truth about them: They are out to destroy the country."
Her opinion of the Democrat congressional leadership: Senate plurality leader Tom Daschle and House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt? She replied, "See answer on environmentalists."
On Bush: 'Consider the Alternative'
How is President Bush doing?
"Great! Consider the alternative. But in fact, he's doing quite well. Admittedly, he is capitulating to liberals on some stupid, namby-pamby issues, but nobody's perfect. Again I say, consider the alternative."
In his latest book, conservative turncoat David Brock castigated Coulter. What does she think of Brock, aside from pitying him?
"Who?" she asked.
 

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Re: RE: Who hates the most?

Retired_Can_Soldier said:
I am a Conservative and I find Ann Coulter to be a disgusting overated uneducated idiot who on National Television claimed Canada was in Vietnam as a Nation.

She later went on to recant and say she meant Canadians who had come South to sign up.

But she really didn't know.

She is as insulting as she is ignorant.
M

This is the number one excuse people use to criticize Ann in Canada. Me? I think we need to do better than that, I think she thought since Canadians were in the war, we as a nation did it....big deal.
 

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Her reference to 911 Widows who disagreed with the invasion of Iraq was equally insulting. She referred to them as WEEPY WIDOWS.
She is lower than pond scum and I have read some of her literature. She is a boney assed idiot.
M