Who do you think should be elected as next PM?

[Vanni Fucci]

and it cant be un constitutional if bush has not passed a bill making gays and lesbians allowed to get married, yes i dotn care if they sit there making out on the street but church's who do not beleive in this stuff should not have to marry these couples.

Then ask the gays to refrain from making out in your church, and leave it at that...because everything you've written concerning gays has been tainted by hate...

If all Christians were like you, I'd make it my policy to visit a different church every Sunday, so that I could kick the preacher in the nuts when he came out to shake my hand...

 

[Reverend Blair]

and it cant be un constitutional if bush has not passed a bill making gays and lesbians allowed to get married,

I understand that Conservatives have trouble with little fact, but the constitution of the USA does not apply in Canada. We have our own constitution.

yes i dotn care if they sit there making out on the street but church's who do not beleive in this stuff should not have to marry these couples.

Churches do not have to perform SSM. They are protected under the proposed legislation. Anybody who told you different was lying to you which, if recall, is a very unChristian thing to do.

I know what bigotry means but id rather call what i said about homosexuality an oppinion.

No, "Orange is a pretty colour," is and opinion. Discrimination based on sexual preference is bigotry.

ok one thing, youmay not beleive this becuase you may not be christian like I am

Pay close attention here, Smitty. You've just made a rather salient point. I am not Christian like you. We practice the separation of church and state in Canada. That separation caused our last two Prime Ministers to introduce legislation that went against the tenets of their church, but because they had at least a passing grasp of democratic principles they did what was right for all Canadians instead of what their religious grand poobah told them to do.

but when Jesus comes like revelations says he will does he honestly want gays and lesbians around

When Lazarus Long returns to this century via time travel, will we all start smoking cigarettes on spance ships?

 

[smitty295]

i beleive your now descriminationg against my religion there rev, and all im saying is that are constitution can be changed to fit what the usa says about homosexualtity, honestly even if i wasnt christian i would still not want to see our country full of them because if thast the future where almost or more than half the population is gay and they are aloud to get married whats the point in even getting married at all if marrage means nothing no more? You must also look at the how u talked about how there said nothing about gays and lesbians in the bible well right but as i recal there were absulutly nobody who was gay at all until just now in the very late 20th century up to the 21st century

 

[Vanni Fucci]

i beleive your now descriminationg against my religion there rev, and all im saying is that are constitution can be changed to fit what the usa says about homosexualtity, honestly even if i wasnt christian i would still not want to see our country full of them because if thast the future where almost or more than half the population is gay and they are aloud to get married whats the point in even getting married at all if marrage means nothing no more? You must also look at the how u talked about how there said nothing about gays and lesbians in the bible well right but as i recal there were absulutly nobody who was gay at all until just now in the very late 20th century up to the 21st century

Where the f**k are you getting your information little hater?

There have been homosexuals all throughout history...some of them very prominent in society...Alexander the Great comes to mind, but then there are those homophobes who refuse to believe that he was queer...the have trouble with the concept that the majority Hellenistic men were either homo or bi-sexual...

I think you need to put down your bible for a moment and learn some facts...because so far all you've been talking is Christian propaganda and bullshit... :evil:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

...are constitution can be changed to fit what the usa says about homosexualtity... would still not want to see our country full of them ... almost or more than half the population is gay and they are aloud to get married whats the point in even getting married at all if marrage means nothing no more? ...nobody who was gay at all until just now in the very late 20th century up to the 21st century

Egad! :!: Been a long time since I've actually felt stunned by somebody's ignorance. How old are you, smitty295? You come across like a very poorly educated and almost illiterate 12 or 14 year old. You know the difference between "are" and "our?" "Aloud" and "allowed?" Know what a double negative is?

What possible reason could there be for us to change our constitution to fit what the USA says, about anything?

Am I right in concluding you believe that ending discrimination against people's sexual preferences will result in half or more of us turning gay? Moreover, given the current rate of divorce among heterosexual couples, I don't think much of a case can be made that allowing SSM will somehow damage the institution of marriage.

Nobody was gay at all until the late 20th century? That's quite an extraordinary claim, and demonstrably not true. Read a little real history on the classical periods of Greece and Rome.

 

[Cathou]

Smitty, have you for a second think of what homosexual think ? The way you talk reduce homosexuals to uderhuman, filthy beast who only think about sex. There is christian and even catholics that support the gay cause you know. And they are not traitors, they just look at the world, and realised that society have evolve, and that the true message of jesus was not in the details and ceremonial, but he ask love in a larger sense...

when you get married, it's easier for doing your taxes report, to buy a house, a car, it's easier to get insurance cover extended to both people, it give you the right to dispose of the person you love if he/she die without a will, etc. But when people talk about marriage they rarely see that...

and i think that for prime minister, even i wont vote for him, it' probably Martin that should get it (but it's more because we lack a real choice), but minoritary again...

 

[Reverend Blair]

i beleive your now descriminationg against my religion there rev,

I believe you should quit feeding yourself the date-rape drug.

and all im saying is that are constitution can be changed to fit what the usa says about homosexualtity,

All I'm saying is that you like the idea of a theocracy so much, you should move to the US. I'm sure some Baptist preacher will take you in...the rumour is that some of them like 16 year old boys a lot.

honestly even if i wasnt christian i would still not want to see our country full of them because if thast the future where almost or more than half the population is gay

Huh?

and they are aloud to get married whats the point in even getting married at all if marrage means nothing no more?

Why would your marriage mean less because somebody else got married? These are the same brain-dead arguments that were made when people like you were trying to stop inter-racial marriages.

You must also look at the how u talked about how there said nothing about gays and lesbians in the bible well right

I know it's right. It was a non-issue because the New Testament, at its very heart, is about tolerance. It is not about hate. You know what that means? It means you are a sh*tty Christian and would, if such a place existed, burn in hell.

but as i recal there were absulutly nobody who was gay at all until just now in the very late 20th century up to the 21st century

You recall that, do you? You're sixteen years old. You don't "recall" anything before about 1992. There have been gays and lesbians throughout history. There are animals that not only perform homosexual acts, put pair-bond and perform mating rituals with same-sex partners.

We are animals. We know because of the sdcience of evolutionary theory.

 

[Andem]

Banning gay marriage?

Well, since we're out in the open, I think we should ban bigots like you 8O

I wish there were other choices, but I'd rather keep Martin in power for the time being. Cons would put Canada at risk socially and fiscally, the NDP would do the same ... just the opposite side of the spectrum.

BQ.. no way.

 

[p106_peppy]

Re: RE: Who do you think shou

They tried to paint Eves as a moderate too, MMMikey. Anger at Harris got him turfed out in a hurry though...he was closely identified with radical right.

As much as Harris was hated he never lost an election.

 

[Andem]

and all im saying is that are constitution can be changed to fit what the usa says about homosexualtity,

Then goto the USA. You are obviously concerned about Canadian sovereignty (sarcasm).

i beleive your now descriminationg against my religion there rev, and all im saying is that are constitution can be changed to fit what the usa says about homosexualtity, honestly even if i wasnt christian i would still not want to see our country full of them because if thast the future where almost or more than half the population is gay and they are aloud to get married whats the point in even getting married at all if marrage means nothing no more? You must also look at the how u talked about how there said nothing about gays and lesbians in the bible well right but as i recal there were absulutly nobody who was gay at all until just now in the very late 20th century up to the 21st century

Wow, your grammar, spelling and punctuation is horrible. But I'll look past that to say this:

The bible has absolutely nothing to do with our government. Get past it, it never will Next, you are making close-minded assumptions that gays never existed before recent years. Wrong! Look throughout history and you will see that both humans and some animals have always had homosexual tenancies.

Talk about tenancies, recent studies show that very few people are actually 100% straight or 100% gay. With that said, I think your blind following of some book [the bible] a stranger wrote centuries ago just goes to show that -- with your low-level-education sentence structures, spelling and grammar -- you are far from qualified to even interprit the Bible, let alone having an opinion on anything that you think it says.

P.S. If you have never heard of anybody who was gay before the 20th century, just think of half of the famous literaries or artists.

 

[p106_peppy]

That's one of the major problems with the party. Separation of church and state is very important.

Separation of church and state means that the state cannot control what people believe. It does not mean that people cannot bring their faith when they vote. There can never really be a complete separation of church and state because even claiming no religion is still a religion. It’s the religion of modern secularism, and I don’t want it forced on me as much as you don’t want Christianity forced on you.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Who do you think should be elected as next PM?

That's one of the major problems with the party. Separation of church and state is very important.

Separation of church and state means that the state cannot control what people believe. It does not mean that people cannot bring their faith when they vote. There can never really be a complete separation of church and state because even claiming no religion is still a religion. It’s the religion of modern secularism, and I don’t want it forced on me as much as you don’t want Christianity forced on you.

That's an interesting point.

And for others, nice grammar and spelling attacks there guys. Did it ever occur to you smitty295 may be a francophone from Quebec?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Who do you think should be elected as next PM?

And for others, nice grammar and spelling attacks there guys. Did it ever occur to you smitty295 may be a francophone from Quebec?

Chances are that he's not...

Not too many francophones from Quebec have his particular political affiliations, nor viewpoints as offensive as his... :wink:

 

[I think not]

Nevertheless Vanni, could be someone with very little or no education, that is no reason to attack his education level. I'm quite sure all points could of been made without it.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Nevertheless Vanni, could be someone with very little or no education, that is no reason to attack his education level. I'm quite sure all points could of been made without it.

Agreed...

 

[Dexter Sinister]

...could be someone with very little or no education...

Not likely, a 16-year old Canadian should be in grade 10 or 11, by which time he should certainly be able to write better than he does.

...that is no reason to attack his education level.

I didn't see it as attacking his level of education, just the use he's made of it. Mixing up homonyms, forgetting capitalization and punctuation, frequent spelling errors, run-on sentences...well, we all saw it. Unless there's some learning or perceptual disability involved, there's no excuse for such sloppiness at that age. I'd argue that we're entitled to judge him on that, for what it says about his thought processes, as well as on what he says. Even the best writers blow off a word now and then or make other errors in grammar and syntax, and most of us let them go by without comment, but this is different. With such a poor command of the written language, how can we even be sure he's saying what he means or means what he's apparently saying?

 

[I think not]

...could be someone with very little or no education...

Not likely, a 16-year old Canadian should be in grade 10 or 11, by which time he should certainly be able to write better than he does.

...that is no reason to attack his education level.

I didn't see it as attacking his level of education, just the use he's made of it. Mixing up homonyms, forgetting capitalization and punctuation, frequent spelling errors, run-on sentences...well, we all saw it. Unless there's some learning or perceptual disability involved, there's no excuse for such sloppiness at that age. I'd argue that we're entitled to judge him on that, for what it says about his thought processes, as well as on what he says. Even the best writers blow off a word now and then or make other errors in grammar and syntax, and most of us let them go by without comment, but this is different. With such a poor command of the written language, how can we even be sure he's saying what he means or means what he's apparently saying?

You cannot possibly know the reasons Dex, either way your point could of been made without those comments. Could be a new landed immigrant from a non anglophone country, how can you possibly know? A can think of a million reasons why shouldn't of commented, but it's the one reason i can't think of that makes me comment yours.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Who do you think shou

He could be lots of things, I think not. The fact is that he's told us he is a sixteen year old and has not made any other claims. That, along with his stated religious and political affilliations, implies that he is part of the white anglophone community...most likely in Alberta, the rural Prairies, or rural Ontario.

We're not talking about typos, spelling errors, ot poor grammer here. We are talking about a command of the English language so poor that I would judge it to be at a grade 1 or 2 level. If he wants to communicate complex ideas, then it is not expecting too much to expect him to develop at least rudmentary communication skills.

Separation of church and state means that the state cannot control what people believe. It does not mean that people cannot bring their faith when they vote. There can never really be a complete separation of church and state because even claiming no religion is still a religion. It’s the religion of modern secularism, and I don’t want it forced on me as much as you don’t want Christianity forced on you.

By trying to introduce legislation based on their religious beliefs they are violating the separation of church and state.

Modern secularism is not a religion either. That's a tired old line that does not bear out reality. As used by those who are trying to justify ramming their religious beliefs down our throats, it includes deists of one sort or another, atheists, agnostics, and people who really don't care enough to have classified themselves.

 

[DasFX]

Well, personally I don't think any of them are very good leaders. If I had to pick one, I think I would pick Ducepe. It's too bad he is "on the other side".

In terms of policy, I still agree with more Liberal ones than the others. The other parties have good key points, but overall the Liberal policy is the one that most represents me.

Despite this, I'm not sure what another Liberal victory would do to the country. I think many, especially in the west, would feel very alienated if they won again. Perhaps a short term minority Conservative government would be benificial, so long as they don't put us too deep into GWB's back pocket.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

You cannot possibly know the reasons Dex...

Granted, but in the absence of any information to the contrary, I see no reason not to assume he's exactly what he appears to be--a 16-year old native-born English-speaking Canadian and part of the demographic the good Reverend suggests--and criticizing him for his ineffectual writing skills. The kinds of mistakes he makes don't suggest anything else. They are not typical of a new immigrant with some language difficulties, or somebody with a perceptual or learning problem. They are in fact typical of a lot of the puerile discourse you can find all over the Internet on message boards and chat lines, from people who haven't mastered the rudiments of written English or are too lazy and sloppy to bother trying. We have at least one poster in China whose first language is obviously not English, but who writes better than smitty and is clearly trying hard, and so gets points for it. I vote with the Rev on this one, " If he wants to communicate complex ideas, then it is not expecting too much to expect him to develop at least rudimentary communication skills."

I would suggest, however, in keeping with Andem's policy of staying on topic, that this is not the thread in which to discuss the matter of criticizing posters' communication skills, so I'll say no more about it here.