I am all for human rights . Especially the rights of people to remain healthy. I read the article and it is horrible but my opinion of tobacco stands. We always ask why there are diseases that kill people and why do we live in a world of pain and suffering and many people blame god for the way things are when it is us,,who are responsible for the suffering in the world. 100%. There is no good side to this story. The people who work on these farms to feed their families are victims too of a world too bent on money to change. Y'all can take your cigarettes and other tobacco products and stick them up your azz.
White Zimbabwean farmer frogmarched from farm after claim by black British doctor
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Didn't cost anything Mr. Know it all consider it an early Christmas gift moron.
Maybe you can get some legislation going to legalize everything that kills people so your support of the tobacco industry can be justified.
Yeah. done with you talk with others you kinda sicken me with your elitist know it all demeanor.
Speaking of morons. I've said nothing about the tobacco industry. I spoke only of the alleged violations of peoples human rights.
I'm not surprised that went over your head.
That's nice. But you really aren't that bright, so your opinion is pretty worthless.
Why limit the lynchings to tobacco company executives?
Fast food, cars, airplanes, guns, etc, etc all deliver a similar result as tobacco and we haven't even scratched the surface yet.
I understand that analogy. Seeing my sister waste away has given me a bad image of people producing things that kill. I don't know everything. But I have this idea that some son of a bitch is sitting at the country club having a martini on the profits of a substance that has killed millions,,some even in my family. And he doesn't give a good gawd damn. That's how I feel. Right or wrong. Smart or stupid I think they are killers.
I get where you're coming from, I really do. That said, the passion in your statement is one that opens Pandora's Box in a big way.
Up in my neck of the woods, there was a brief consideration by the provincial gvt to apply a tax on food items that are deemed bad... fast food joints, chips, soda, etc, et al would be subject to the tax.... Gvt did it's job in terms of detailing the relative costs to healthcare in addition to projections into the future.
Ultimately, the public at large all knew that it was nothing more than a tax grab, no different from any of the other sin taxes, yet the public hooted and hollered loud enough that the issue was dropped.
In the end, the above example is part of the Pandora's Box I suggested earlier in which the gvt made a fair case on the risks.... The underlying message is that there is a slippery slope here that can have far reaching, unintended consequences
Up in my neck of the woods, there was a brief consideration by the provincial gvt to apply a tax on food items that are deemed bad... fast food joints, chips, soda, etc, et al would be subject to the tax.... Gvt did it's job in terms of detailing the relative costs to healthcare in addition to projections into the future.
Ultimately, the public at large all knew that it was nothing more than a tax grab, no different from any of the other sin taxes, yet the public hooted and hollered loud enough that the issue was dropped.
In the end, the above example is part of the Pandora's Box I suggested earlier in which the gvt made a fair case on the risks.... The underlying message is that there is a slippery slope here that can have far reaching, unintended consequences
Also, it has been demonstrated with prohibition that outright bans do not work. Also too high a sin tax creates a lucrative black market for criminals. Its a balancing act.
My condolences about your sister Ludlow.
My condolences about your sister Ludlow.
You sound like a person who had a loved on die of a horrible disease and were told that it was caused by smoking.
That's what happens. The bereaved is angry at his loss, looking for something to blame. When told that it was caused by smoking, he hates smoking beyond reason.
However, there is no proof that smoking is the cause of death, only speculation. It could be many, many other causes or just plain genetics.
This is an effective ploy unfairly used by the anti-tobacco faction. There is no explanation as to why there are so many 'old smokers' who have not succumbed to any horrible effects. Or why, as more and more people stop smoking, more and more people get sicker and sicker and at younger and younger ages. And why the most terrible diseases attributed to smoking are attacking more and more non-smokers
Using one's head to think with rather than one's emotions belies the anti-tobacco propaganda.
The hospice doctors informed us that the small cell type of lung cancer which is a rare aggressive kind, and the most deadly is caused directly from smoking cigarettes. I think I'll go ahead and take the hospice doctors word in this matter.
My condolences as well.
Nobody is more addicted to nicotine than federal, state, and local governments.
Nobody is more addicted to nicotine than federal, state, and local governments.
You know my other sisters ,,nephews and nieces and myself visited Sherry every day . We all wanted to make her last days as comfortable as possible. She loved yogurt and I'd stop at the Albertsons and get that for her,,we'd make her nice dinners and just be family for her. The thing is though , in our efforts to give our sister the best of things and comfort her in her dying process,,it ended up that she was the one comforting us. She had no fear and thanks to hospice of the valley her pain was minimal. She was something.
I guess we view our governments as separate from ourselves. I don't know all the pros and cons of government involvement in regulating things. All I know is we hurt each other in our quest to make the almighty dollar from selling tobacco. They say that you should not legislate morality. And this really is a question of morality. I think maybe if we don't want government regulating our lives, then we should give careful consideration in not fukking each other over by doing "our own thing". Just my opinion .
Make no mistake, I am no angel, but I would fight tooth and nail anyone that suggested that I am anything like the pack of liars and morally bankrupt creeps that make up our gvt
Here's the elephant in the room; any person that smokes does so voluntarily and in this day and age, with full knowledge of the possible risks of tobacco use.
The same situation exists with drugs, poor dietary practices, high risk sports & activities, etc...This is not a dig at you or your sister but at what point do we expect gvt to make all the right life decisions for us and what point do we accept personal responsibility for ourselves?
I just don't think that justifies producing a substance that kills people. I believe in individual responsibility as much as the next person .How about the responsibility though of tobacco companies? Are they exempt from this "responsibility"?
Agreed.
So, what do we do about other 'knowns' like automobiles, red dye # 7 in maraschino cherries, high fat and sodium content in chips, nuclear power plants, sugary confections leading to diabetes, exposure to high voltage power lines, McDonalds, etc, etc?
The tobacco companies are being held responsible through the Courts.. Have been for quite a number of years.
Here's a question for you... Considering that the gubmint has fully sanctioned the tobacco industry by virtue of continuing to allow smokes to be legal, why are they (gvt) not named in any of these law suits? Not only do they 'approve' of the product, they see a material benefit from it via taxes.
.. Sounds like they are accomplices in this whole deal
I agree 100 %
And to answer your question on what do we do about things that kill us, my answer would be I do not know.
There's always anarchy I guess.
What on Earth for? They're not doing anything illegal. Tobacco is a perfectly legal substance.
I'm fed up of bloody self-righteous do-gooders.
Unlike you fvckface I don't pretend to be bright. But we all know your definition of intelligence is anyone who agrees with your sorry azz. Carry on with your pretentious delusions azzhole.