Which idiot was it who got the ball rolling to denigrate the Father of our country?

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It's beyond the f**king pale! Someone obviously thinks he/she has the wisdom to judge actions and events of 150 years ago. Some people obviously need to learn to leave well enough alone. Anything/one that is worthwhile has a few scars and warts attached! That's life! Get used to it!
 
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White_Unifier

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It's beyond the f**king pale! Someone obviously thinks he/she has the wisdom to just actions and events of 150 years ago. Some people obviously need to learn to leave well enough alone. Anything/one that is worthwhile has a few scars and warts attached! That's life! Get used to it!

Are you referring to John A. MacDonald?

Sorry, but he has more than just a few warts attached, even by the standards of his own time. He was an so-author of an attempted systematic genocide of Canada's indigenous peoples.

Just to give a few examples:

https://www.ictinc.ca/blog/10-quotes-john-a.-macdonald-made-about-first-nations
 

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Thing is what's done is done, the past can't be changed.
LEARN from it and move on.

We are hitting the age of no more safety margin, so the time to grow up is now
there are foks with money who have other ideas and they profit from this type of atmosphere, so this is what you get
SOROS the nazi ...and anti trumper
 

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Are you referring to John A. MacDonald?

Sorry, but he has more than just a few warts attached, even by the standards of his own time. He was an so-author of an attempted systematic genocide of Canada's indigenous peoples.

Just to give a few examples:

https://www.ictinc.ca/blog/10-quotes-john-a.-macdonald-made-about-first-nations


Whatever he did he was part of our history! Anyway you are missing the main point........................He's NOT here to defend himself!
 

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Personally, I think that several of the Disney Dwarf's names are highly offensive, and Disneyland should be dismantled and all statues of Walt destroyed...

Grumpy- making fun of people with anger management issues.

Sleepy- ridiculing people with narcolepsy.

Bashful- Insulting those with social anxiety issues.

Sneezy- Mocking people with allergies.

Dopey- Bulliying people with learning disabilities.

And what about the Three Blind Mice?? This whole Nursery Rhyme was designed to make fun of the visually impaired!!
 

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Yeah, they probably didn't like him because he did a little drinking from time to time! :)

Yeah! I'm sure it had nothing to do with cultural genocide:

“When the school is on the reserve, the child lives with its parents, who are savages, and though he may learn to read and write, his habits and training mode of thought are Indian. He is simply a savage who can read and write. It has been strongly impressed upon myself, as head of the Department, that Indian children should be withdrawn as much as possible from the parental influence, and the only way to do that would be to put them in central training industrial schools where they will acquire the habits and modes of thought of white men." 1879

It was wall because of his drinking.

Whatever he did he was part of our history! Anyway you are missing the main point........................He's NOT here to defend himself!

He freely confessed on record in Parliament!

Also, there is a difference between learning history and celebrating a historical figure. Germans teach about Adolf Hitler in history class. They don't build statues in to honour him.

Anyone who knows MacDonald's history acknowledges that he was a co-author of calculated and systematic cultural genocide of the indigenous peoples to sole what he referred to in his own words as the "Indian problem."

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/disco...nisters/pmportrait/Pages/item.aspx?PersonId=1

"Born in Glasgow, Scotland, John A. Macdonald immigrated to Upper Canada with his parents when he was five years old."

And to add insult to injury, this co-author of the cultural genocide of Canada's indigenous peoples was a first-generation immigrant from Scotland.

To be clear, I see immigrants as our equals. But for an immigrant to come to Canada to then bring cultural genocide on its indigenous peoples in the name of assimilating them to the cultures of a people who at that time would mostly have been first, second, or third generation immigrants at least on the English side only adds insult to injury.
 

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To be clear, I see immigrants as our equals. But for an immigrant to come to Canada to then bring cultural genocide on its indigenous peoples in the name of assimilating them to the cultures of a people who at that time would mostly have been first, second, or third generation immigrants at least on the English side only adds insult to injury.

Fortunately, no one gives a rat's ass what you think. :)
 

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Yeah! I'm sure it had nothing to do with cultural genocide:

“When the school is on the reserve, the child lives with its parents, who are savages, and though he may learn to read and write, his habits and training mode of thought are Indian. He is simply a savage who can read and write. It has been strongly impressed upon myself, as head of the Department, that Indian children should be withdrawn as much as possible from the parental influence, and the only way to do that would be to put them in central training industrial schools where they will acquire the habits and modes of thought of white men." 1879

It was wall because of his drinking.



He freely confessed on record in Parliament!

Also, there is a difference between learning history and celebrating a historical figure. Germans teach about Adolf Hitler in history class. They don't build statues in to honour him.

Anyone who knows MacDonald's history acknowledges that he was a co-author of calculated and systematic cultural genocide of the indigenous peoples to sole what he referred to in his own words as the "Indian problem."

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/disco...nisters/pmportrait/Pages/item.aspx?PersonId=1

"Born in Glasgow, Scotland, John A. Macdonald immigrated to Upper Canada with his parents when he was five years old."

And to add insult to injury, this co-author of the cultural genocide of Canada's indigenous peoples was a first-generation immigrant from Scotland.

To be clear, I see immigrants as our equals. But for an immigrant to come to Canada to then bring cultural genocide on its indigenous peoples in the name of assimilating them to the cultures of a people who at that time would mostly have been first, second, or third generation immigrants at least on the English side only adds insult to injury.


It's all past history that can't be changed regardless of how many statues are torn down. John A. might just be the first of many if it's allowed. Has anyone checked to find out if he respected the desires of the electorate or went against it. It's impossible for what we know now to have any bearing on what transpired then. He could well be a rotten bastard, but should WE be making that judgment?
 

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Fortunately, no one gives a rat's ass what you think. :)

Thanks. That's a perfect example of MacDonald's attitude towards the indigenous peoples at the time.

It's all past history that can't be changed regardless of how many statues are torn down. John A. might just be the first of many if it's allowed. Has anyone checked to find out if he respected the desires of the electorate or went against it. It's impossible for what we know now to have any bearing on what transpired then. He could well be a rotten bastard, but should WE be making that judgment?

Yes we should.

He was not a rotten bastard just by today's standards. Though his ideas were the popular ideas of the majority at the time, a vocal Christian minority still existed and knew better. Truth is not democratic. In MacDonald's time, MacDonald and the majority that supported him were criminally wrong and some voices did in fact speak out against it. Even if his views were those of the majority, the simple fact that some of his generation knew better proves that anyone who chose could also have made the right decision. The cultural genocide of the indigenous peoples was a choice in the same way that the popular support for the Nazi Party in Germany in the 1930's was a choice.

In fact, to say that the people of MacDonald's generation were incapable of telling right from wrong is to insult the intelligence of that generation.
 

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Actually when we think about it, Macdonald is the kind of person whose citizenship Harper proposed we revoke and we send back to his home country. He fit the description of terrorist to a T. Or more exactly if we want to equate him to a state terrorist, then something akin to a state killing off an ethnic minority.
 

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In fact, to say that the people of MacDonald's generation were incapable of telling right from wrong is to insult the intelligence of that generation.

Apparently, this generation's intelligence is such that they can't conceive of the notion that Mr. McDonald was anything other than the perfect good or the ultimate evil, depending on your team.
 

White_Unifier

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George Soros is behind it all, when he isn't eating puppies.

Is he Korean? No, they eat grown dogs, not puppies. Do Hungarians eat puppies?

Apparently, this generation's intelligence is such that they can't conceive of the notion that Mr. McDonald was anything other than the perfect good or the ultimate evil, depending on your team.

I don't deny that he possessed good qualities, and I accept that sometimes evil people later save themselves.

Like everyone else, MacDonald is not perfect. And given the cost of removing his name from schools, I'd say leave his name there for now and maybe change the name through attrition over time. Schools do get old and eventually need to be replaced. That would be a good time for cost-effective change.

For all of his qualities though, certainly others are more deserving than a person who calculatedly co-authored the cultural genocide of Canada's indigenous peoples.

Just as a humorous aside though, it's kind of ironic that people who might dislike immigrants are now so prepared to defend an immigrant and raise him on the pedestal of a founding father of our nation.
 
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How DARE you denigrate the father of your country?

He wasn't a Mormon polygamist as far as I know. And even if he was, I can assure you that not every Canadian traces his lineage back to MacDonald. Besides, with his drinking, he probably suffered ED.