Where do you consider yourself in the political spectrum?
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Re: Where do you consider yourself in the political spectrum
It doesn't matter what you consider them to be, Nero. Your considerations are wrong. In fact most people would classify your considerations as bizarre.
You have no understanding of politics whatsoever...not in Canada, and not in the US.
It doesn't matter what you consider them to be, Nero. Your considerations are wrong. In fact most people would classify your considerations as bizarre.
You have no understanding of politics whatsoever...not in Canada, and not in the US.
Re: Where do you consider yourself in the political spectrum
Deny it all you want Rev, the truth of the matter remains that you still didn't answer the question. How in the world could you classify the Liberals are being right of center if no right wing party would support any of the items that I listed on my last post?
Just the thought of it. Adopting the NDP platform of massive social spending instead of the promised tax cuts for the large corporations. All this just to cover up their sponsorship scandal. Business groups from all over (ex. Canadian Chamber of Commerce) were steadfast against the deal, and justifiably so. These tax cuts would have given corporations the capital to produce many high paying jobs. But alas, it's better to invest in useless social programs. The economy doesn't matter.
Martin said he was simply postponing the tax cuts! Postponing them till when? I know ... when the cows come home.
Reverend Blair said:
Deny it all you want Rev, the truth of the matter remains that you still didn't answer the question. How in the world could you classify the Liberals are being right of center if no right wing party would support any of the items that I listed on my last post?
Just the thought of it. Adopting the NDP platform of massive social spending instead of the promised tax cuts for the large corporations. All this just to cover up their sponsorship scandal. Business groups from all over (ex. Canadian Chamber of Commerce) were steadfast against the deal, and justifiably so. These tax cuts would have given corporations the capital to produce many high paying jobs. But alas, it's better to invest in useless social programs. The economy doesn't matter.
Martin said he was simply postponing the tax cuts! Postponing them till when? I know ... when the cows come home.
RE: Where do you consider yourself in the political spectrum
Eh, last time I checked Abortion and Gay Marriage were not "far far left issues"....
Eh, last time I checked Abortion and Gay Marriage were not "far far left issues"....
Re: RE: Where do you consider yourself in the political spec
Sure they are Mad Hatter. No right wing government openly supports them.
Mad_Hatter said:
Sure they are Mad Hatter. No right wing government openly supports them.
RE: Where do you consider yourself in the political spectrum
I fail to see how this makes it a "far far left issue". Both of those examples are very mainstream... it doesn't take extreme viewpoints to be in favour of either.
I fail to see how this makes it a "far far left issue". Both of those examples are very mainstream... it doesn't take extreme viewpoints to be in favour of either.
Re: Where do you consider yourself in the political spectrum
Don't have much light to shed on this one, but I have heard many people, including reporters compare the Democratic Party in the U.S. to the Conservative Party here.
I consider myself conservative on moral issues, but either NDP or liberal for budget spending and things of that nature. I have liked the Conservative Candidate in my area for the most part, but I am not a fan of Harper and may vote Liberal in the next election.
Don't have much light to shed on this one, but I have heard many people, including reporters compare the Democratic Party in the U.S. to the Conservative Party here.
I consider myself conservative on moral issues, but either NDP or liberal for budget spending and things of that nature. I have liked the Conservative Candidate in my area for the most part, but I am not a fan of Harper and may vote Liberal in the next election.
Re: Where do you consider yourself in the political spectrum
I vote either NDP or Green. If I think the Green Party have a chance to get someone elected in my riding I vote for them. If not, NDP.
I vote either NDP or Green. If I think the Green Party have a chance to get someone elected in my riding I vote for them. If not, NDP.
Re: RE: Where do you consider yourself in the political spec
Correct Mad Hatter. However, we're talking government policy here. When you add up all the policies of the Liberal Government, you will have a hard time to find any of it's policies that are to the right of center. Since the entire platform of the Liberal government is made up almost entirely of left-leaning policies, I refer to the government as either left left wing or ultra left wing. I can't see it as going any further left. Canada is so full of social programs, that taxes are ridiculous. Any more left and the government would not only let you keep even less of your hard earned money, but would also start dictating where you can work.
Mad_Hatter said:
Correct Mad Hatter. However, we're talking government policy here. When you add up all the policies of the Liberal Government, you will have a hard time to find any of it's policies that are to the right of center. Since the entire platform of the Liberal government is made up almost entirely of left-leaning policies, I refer to the government as either left left wing or ultra left wing. I can't see it as going any further left. Canada is so full of social programs, that taxes are ridiculous. Any more left and the government would not only let you keep even less of your hard earned money, but would also start dictating where you can work.
Re: Where do you consider yourself in the political spectrum
Yep, absolutely yballa. The Conservative Party of Canada reflects the US Liberal viewpoint. Unfortunately Canada has no Republican equivalent. A true Conservative party would require a true conservative leader. Someone like Manning would probably be close. However, Manning still flip-flopped. A real conservative stays with his convictions, does not portray an image of being wishy-washy. Harper is obviously not the candidate. A leader of a right wing party who will not state his party's position on abortion.
yballa09 said:
Yep, absolutely yballa. The Conservative Party of Canada reflects the US Liberal viewpoint. Unfortunately Canada has no Republican equivalent. A true Conservative party would require a true conservative leader. Someone like Manning would probably be close. However, Manning still flip-flopped. A real conservative stays with his convictions, does not portray an image of being wishy-washy. Harper is obviously not the candidate. A leader of a right wing party who will not state his party's position on abortion.
RE: Where do you consider
Yeah, just ignore what all of the political scientists say, Nascar Nero...you know better because you live in a different country and are so far to the right that you live in a ditch.
Martin's policies, or at least his attempted policies, are centre right. Harper's are radical right, just like Bush's. Your real problem, Nero, is that your frame of reference is so narrow as to be laughable. You believe heartily in the fascist ideal of governemnt dictating morality based on hypocritical and nonsensical religious values. There's really not that much difference between you and the Taliban.
Yeah, just ignore what all of the political scientists say, Nascar Nero...you know better because you live in a different country and are so far to the right that you live in a ditch.
Martin's policies, or at least his attempted policies, are centre right. Harper's are radical right, just like Bush's. Your real problem, Nero, is that your frame of reference is so narrow as to be laughable. You believe heartily in the fascist ideal of governemnt dictating morality based on hypocritical and nonsensical religious values. There's really not that much difference between you and the Taliban.
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All right Rev. Can you name a few current policies of the Liberal government that are not left of center?
Reverend Blair said:
All right Rev. Can you name a few current policies of the Liberal government that are not left of center?
RE: Where do you consider
I can. Look at their last budget. Look at their support of BMD. Look at the way they've been supporting Iraq through the back door. Look at the way they've refused to back Chavez. Look at their trade policies. Look at their pro-corporate economic policies. Look at their foot-dragging on the legalisation of marijuana. Look at the way they allow US agents to operate on Canadian soil. Look at the way they only fund social programs when they are forced to.
I can go on all day, Nero. It's likely better if you actually go out and learn the facts for yourself though.
I can. Look at their last budget. Look at their support of BMD. Look at the way they've been supporting Iraq through the back door. Look at the way they've refused to back Chavez. Look at their trade policies. Look at their pro-corporate economic policies. Look at their foot-dragging on the legalisation of marijuana. Look at the way they allow US agents to operate on Canadian soil. Look at the way they only fund social programs when they are forced to.
I can go on all day, Nero. It's likely better if you actually go out and learn the facts for yourself though.
Re: Where do you consider yourself in the political spectrum
Our taxes are not that high. Look at Sweden. I believe they have the highest taxes. Allot of European countries pay higher taxes then in Canada. Our taxes haven’t gone up in a long time. We need taxes to fund social programs. I'd rather pay taxes for our health care (which is slowly being eroded by private health care) then live in a country like the states where half the population has no health coverage or life insurance.
One way our Liberal government is right wing. Paul Martin goes to a private hospital.
Our taxes are not that high. Look at Sweden. I believe they have the highest taxes. Allot of European countries pay higher taxes then in Canada. Our taxes haven’t gone up in a long time. We need taxes to fund social programs. I'd rather pay taxes for our health care (which is slowly being eroded by private health care) then live in a country like the states where half the population has no health coverage or life insurance.
One way our Liberal government is right wing. Paul Martin goes to a private hospital.
Re: Where do you consider yourself in the political spectrum
I've been wondering why I had to name current policies when Nascar Nero named a bunch of stuff that was already either solidly in place or already initiated when Martin came to power.
Exactly.
I've been wondering why I had to name current policies when Nascar Nero named a bunch of stuff that was already either solidly in place or already initiated when Martin came to power.
Exactly.
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And what is really new about the budget, Rev? Nothing ever really changes. Do you ever see the Liberal government make drastic tax cuts as to allow folks to have noticable tax savings. When the Federal government allows folks in some provinces such as Quebec to pay out 50% of their salary to taxes, the budget in my opinion is far left. A good budget will actually have the average taxpayer (both rich and poor) pay substantially less taxes. The government needs to drastically cut spending in strategic areas (ex scrap the gun registry, it won't recover the $2 billion, but at least it'll save on the future operating costs).
Rev, Canada is completely against the US missile defense program. Martin publically said he will not support it. Everyone knows this. So you're wrong on this one. Thanks for reminding me, not only does the missile defense program benefit both the US and Canada, but Canada has decided to back stab the US on this one after misleading the US to thinking they would support the program. Imagine the scenario, terrorists launch a nuclear missile towards Canada, but the US would not be able to shoot it down due to a lack of support from Canada on the program. Too bad.
Canada is clearly far left on this issue. Blindly not supporting a program to benefit Canada in my book is another reason that Canada is out to lunch.
If they really wanted to support the global war on terror, they would have joined the US and coalition forces (UK, Italy, Poland, Australia, Japan ...etc). Not supporting the war in my book puts them to the left.
Refused to back Chavez? Rev, Canada has had diplomatic relations with Venezuela for over 50 years (and good relations at that).
Yes, even with it's Human Right violations and abuse of it's native Venezuelan population, Canada has still blindly supported the Venezuelan government.
Read this link for more info...
http://www.international.gc.ca/latinamerica/venezuelarelations-en.asp
Trade policies? What's so special with Canada's trade policies? Canada rarely imposes any trade sanctions against rogue nations. I can't think of any such sanctions recently.
Hah. The deal Martin made with the NDP has scrapped the large corporate tax cuts. Supposedly temporarily. When will the corporations finally get them? Next year, at the next budget, when they were supposed to get next years tax cuts. The government will try and pull a fast one here. Because of this unholy deal with the NDP during their sponsorship scandal, they are surely far left on this issue.
Foot dragging? The very fact Canada is considering legalizing it makes it far far left. Do you want a bunch of druggies running around your streets, always stoned? Even worse, operating a motor vehicle while under the influence of marijuana.
Rev, intelligence agents have been in operating in Canada for decades. They provide intelligence and or security support or other sensitive type operations in areas that Canada can't. It was surely not Martin's government that brought these agents into Canada.
When they are forced to? Rev, in Canada it is easy for any able bodied person who's too lazy to work to collect welfare indefinitely. The hard working folks pay taxes so these folks can goof off and live off of social assistance. The Liberals have always been a strong supporter of welfare. Here in the US, if you are able bodied with no dissabilities, you will not get welfare if there is work for you. There are "NOW HIRING" signs all over, so an excuse of lack of work usually doesn't cut it.
Reverend Blair said:
And what is really new about the budget, Rev? Nothing ever really changes. Do you ever see the Liberal government make drastic tax cuts as to allow folks to have noticable tax savings. When the Federal government allows folks in some provinces such as Quebec to pay out 50% of their salary to taxes, the budget in my opinion is far left. A good budget will actually have the average taxpayer (both rich and poor) pay substantially less taxes. The government needs to drastically cut spending in strategic areas (ex scrap the gun registry, it won't recover the $2 billion, but at least it'll save on the future operating costs).
Reverend Blair said:
Rev, Canada is completely against the US missile defense program. Martin publically said he will not support it. Everyone knows this. So you're wrong on this one. Thanks for reminding me, not only does the missile defense program benefit both the US and Canada, but Canada has decided to back stab the US on this one after misleading the US to thinking they would support the program. Imagine the scenario, terrorists launch a nuclear missile towards Canada, but the US would not be able to shoot it down due to a lack of support from Canada on the program. Too bad.
Canada is clearly far left on this issue. Blindly not supporting a program to benefit Canada in my book is another reason that Canada is out to lunch.
Reverend Blair said:
If they really wanted to support the global war on terror, they would have joined the US and coalition forces (UK, Italy, Poland, Australia, Japan ...etc). Not supporting the war in my book puts them to the left.
Reverend Blair said:
Refused to back Chavez? Rev, Canada has had diplomatic relations with Venezuela for over 50 years (and good relations at that).
Yes, even with it's Human Right violations and abuse of it's native Venezuelan population, Canada has still blindly supported the Venezuelan government.
Read this link for more info...
http://www.international.gc.ca/latinamerica/venezuelarelations-en.asp
Reverend Blair said:
Trade policies? What's so special with Canada's trade policies? Canada rarely imposes any trade sanctions against rogue nations. I can't think of any such sanctions recently.
Reverend Blair said:
Hah. The deal Martin made with the NDP has scrapped the large corporate tax cuts. Supposedly temporarily. When will the corporations finally get them? Next year, at the next budget, when they were supposed to get next years tax cuts. The government will try and pull a fast one here. Because of this unholy deal with the NDP during their sponsorship scandal, they are surely far left on this issue.
Reverend Blair said:
Foot dragging? The very fact Canada is considering legalizing it makes it far far left. Do you want a bunch of druggies running around your streets, always stoned? Even worse, operating a motor vehicle while under the influence of marijuana.
Reverend Blair said:
Rev, intelligence agents have been in operating in Canada for decades. They provide intelligence and or security support or other sensitive type operations in areas that Canada can't. It was surely not Martin's government that brought these agents into Canada.
Reverend Blair said:
When they are forced to? Rev, in Canada it is easy for any able bodied person who's too lazy to work to collect welfare indefinitely. The hard working folks pay taxes so these folks can goof off and live off of social assistance. The Liberals have always been a strong supporter of welfare. Here in the US, if you are able bodied with no dissabilities, you will not get welfare if there is work for you. There are "NOW HIRING" signs all over, so an excuse of lack of work usually doesn't cut it.
Re: Where do you consider yourself in the political spectrum
Based on the votes on this thread, it appears the NDP will win the next Federal election. That just goes to show how misleading polls can be. Like this thread, they don't reflect who folks will vote for.
Based on the votes on this thread, it appears the NDP will win the next Federal election. That just goes to show how misleading polls can be. Like this thread, they don't reflect who folks will vote for.
RE: Where do you consider yourself in the political spectrum
I don't vote for parties, I vote for the individual running, generally, I hate all political parties and just hope that someday, someone will be voted in who doesn't make an even bigger mess of the country.
I guess which way I lean is centre/left....or lean to the idea that I should be put in charge of the country for a month and effect some big changes :wink:
I don't vote for parties, I vote for the individual running, generally, I hate all political parties and just hope that someday, someone will be voted in who doesn't make an even bigger mess of the country.
I guess which way I lean is centre/left....or lean to the idea that I should be put in charge of the country for a month and effect some big changes :wink:
Re: Where do you consider yourself in the political spectrum
I don't agree that the CPC would be considered liberal in the US, I find the policies of the CPC to be just as offensive as your beloved Republican party...the only thing the CPC doesn't have is a huge army to go around invading oil-rich countries under false pretenses...
...but if they got their shot, I'm sure they'd sell out Canada in a hearbeat to combine our militaries...not that Martin isn't doing that anyway... :evil:
Nascar_James said:
I don't agree that the CPC would be considered liberal in the US, I find the policies of the CPC to be just as offensive as your beloved Republican party...the only thing the CPC doesn't have is a huge army to go around invading oil-rich countries under false pretenses...
...but if they got their shot, I'm sure they'd sell out Canada in a hearbeat to combine our militaries...not that Martin isn't doing that anyway... :evil:
Re: Where do you consider yourself in the political spectrum
Oh Nero, Nero, Nero. Hmmm...maybe we should change the N to a Z.
I've already debunked most of your claims in another thread, but you seem to be a slow learner, so we'll run through it again.
Harper loved the budget when it came out. He said himself that it was like a Conservative budget. Then he decided he could win an election.
What everyone who was paying attention knows is that Martin wanted very badly to support BMD. He only backed down because poll after poll told him he had to. He still snuck it in the backdoor though.
You should really learn about issues before you try to discuss them, Nero.
They really wanted to. The rumours that Martin wanted to go to Iraq persist. Fortunately his ass wasn't in the chair yet.
He has aided and abetted Bush on every turn he could though.
By the way, don't try to tell me or any other thinking human being that Iraq had anything to do with your president's fake war on terror. It was an illegal invasion for oil.
Grow up, Zero. Martin has been absolutely silent on the issue.
Do your homework. For once in your damned life. Please.
If you had even the vaguest clue about politics, you'd know that's the way things work in minority governments. More than that, if your head wasn't jammed so far up your ass and you would have been following things from the beginning, you'd know that Harper had the budget he wanted until he decided to bring the government down.
:roll: Funny it was legal 100 years ago. Things are generally considered to have been much more conservative back then. George Washington used to smoke it with your other founding fathers too. I guess your founding fathers were "far, far left" though. Maybe that's why they didn't support your insane assertion that the US is a Christian country.
The DEA and FTA have offices here now, Zero. They've arrested Canadian citizens on Canadian soil on trumped up, politically based charges. The fecking Texas Rangers were up here teaching the RCMP inVancouver how to violoate people's rights and conduct illegal searches. That hasn't been going on for decades. Of course, if you knew anything, you'd already have known that.
Feck you're an idiot. Welfare is administered by the provinces.
Oh Nero, Nero, Nero. Hmmm...maybe we should change the N to a Z.
I've already debunked most of your claims in another thread, but you seem to be a slow learner, so we'll run through it again.
Harper loved the budget when it came out. He said himself that it was like a Conservative budget. Then he decided he could win an election.
What everyone who was paying attention knows is that Martin wanted very badly to support BMD. He only backed down because poll after poll told him he had to. He still snuck it in the backdoor though.
You should really learn about issues before you try to discuss them, Nero.
They really wanted to. The rumours that Martin wanted to go to Iraq persist. Fortunately his ass wasn't in the chair yet.
He has aided and abetted Bush on every turn he could though.
By the way, don't try to tell me or any other thinking human being that Iraq had anything to do with your president's fake war on terror. It was an illegal invasion for oil.
Grow up, Zero. Martin has been absolutely silent on the issue.
Do your homework. For once in your damned life. Please.
If you had even the vaguest clue about politics, you'd know that's the way things work in minority governments. More than that, if your head wasn't jammed so far up your ass and you would have been following things from the beginning, you'd know that Harper had the budget he wanted until he decided to bring the government down.
:roll: Funny it was legal 100 years ago. Things are generally considered to have been much more conservative back then. George Washington used to smoke it with your other founding fathers too. I guess your founding fathers were "far, far left" though. Maybe that's why they didn't support your insane assertion that the US is a Christian country.
The DEA and FTA have offices here now, Zero. They've arrested Canadian citizens on Canadian soil on trumped up, politically based charges. The fecking Texas Rangers were up here teaching the RCMP inVancouver how to violoate people's rights and conduct illegal searches. That hasn't been going on for decades. Of course, if you knew anything, you'd already have known that.
Feck you're an idiot. Welfare is administered by the provinces.