When People Laugh At You For Mentioning That Communism is A Real Threat To Canada. Ask Them What is The Difference Between Total Equity and Communism?

[B00Mer]

When People Laugh At You For Mentioning That Communism is A Real Threat To Canada. Ask Them What is The Difference Between Total Equity and Communism?

What is the result of government enforced equity? What is the result of Communism? Is the result/end goal any different?

The reason far left Marxists use the term equity instead of socialism/communism is due to two things. 1. The image of Communism has been tarnished across most of the world. 2. Communism applies only to class. Equity can apply to gender, race and other bullshit.

Also the very people that care about equity very often believe that capitalism has been a net negative to our society. They're trying to tarnish the image of capitalism. That way, if most people hate capitalism, it will be much easier to bring back Communism.

 

[Nick Danger]

Also the very people that care about equity very often believe that capitalism has been a net negative to our society. They're trying to tarnish the image of capitalism.

That's not true. I do not advocate for communism, but it is clear that a greater measure of equality is a must for our society to endure as anything other than a new aristocracy. We have a good system in Canada with our blend of free-market capitalism and social programs, we have just let greed at the top of the food chain grow unrestrained to the point where quality of life for rank-and-file Canadians is suffering. The constant clanging of "communist" alarm bells is a distraction from working on a better life for all Canadians, not just a fortunate few. We don't need communism, we just need a to tweak our capitalism a bit to get some control back in the hands of individuals. That would mean getting elected representatives into Ottawa that don't answer to the corporate sector before they answer to society as a whole.

 

[Jinentonix]

The constant clanging of "communist" alarm bells is a distraction from working on a better life for all Canadians, not just a fortunate few.

And yet communism/Marxism is what's being pushed for the most part. The concept that capitalism is inherently evil is being pushed as well. The problem is the lefties want equality of outcome, NOT equal opportunity because some people simply have "more" to them than others. I agree that capitalism must be tempered somewhat. I believe that capitalism is a fundamental right but like all rights there needs to be reasonable limits and those limits need to be clearly defined. For example, raider capitalism should be prohibited. You should have every right to amass whatever wealth you can, as long as it's a result of your own hard work and effort and not the result of destroying people's lives.
But as you said, none of that will come to pass until we start electing people who actually give a shit and don't simply pay us lip service during campaign season.

 

[Nick Danger]

And yet communism/Marxism is what's being pushed for the most part. The concept that capitalism is inherently evil is being pushed as well. The problem is the lefties want equality of outcome, NOT equal opportunity because some people simply have "more" to them than others.

More clanging.

I agree that capitalism must be tempered somewhat. I believe that capitalism is a fundamental right but like all rights there needs to be reasonable limits and those limits need to be clearly defined. For example, raider capitalism should be prohibited. You should have every right to amass whatever wealth you can, as long as it's a result of your own hard work and effort and not the result of destroying people's lives.
But as you said, none of that will come to pass until we start electing people who actually give a shit and don't simply pay us lip service during campaign season.

That's what I've been saying, we have a basically good system, it just needs some fine tuning. The environment is suffering in part because the corporate sector is not being held to account in cleaning up after themselves. Employment in our industrial sector has suffered because jobs are being shipped out of the country. Amassing "whatever wealth you can" opens up a big can of worms, especially if you have an employees list full of low wage earners with no benefits.

 

[Jinentonix]

More clanging.

That's what I've been saying, we have a basically good system, it just needs some fine tuning. The environment is suffering in part because the corporate sector is not being held to account in cleaning up after themselves. Employment in our industrial sector has suffered because jobs are being shipped out of the country. Amassing "whatever wealth you can" opens up a big can of worms, especially if you have an employees list full of low wage earners with no benefits.

You know what I find interesting about people who whine about low pay and no benefits? They've never owned or managed a business in their lives but think because they had a job once they're experts on the subject. Do you know what the single largest expense pretty much every business has? Payroll. They ain't just paying you, they're also paying a portion of your CPP, Workman's Comp and EI as well as matching your tax deductions from source.

Let's take a look at everyone's favourite whipping boy; Walmart. In 2018 Walmart did $22 billion in revenues, not profit, pre-tax revenues. Now, let's pretend that Walmart decided to divvy up that $22 billion between all their employees. First off you should know that Walmart is the World's largest private employer with 2.2 million employees, and the world's third largest overall employer behind the US and Chinese militaries.
Now if they took that $22 billion and divvied up among their employees as a wage increase it would equal a $10,000/yr raise. Pretty decent, right? Except it's not really. It would still leave them well short of a "living wage" and leave Walmart with no operating capital for the year, forcing them to close facilities and lay people off.
So what's your solution? Yeah, there are companies that can afford to pay their employees decently but often times it's because they have a single location and don't have to worry about paying for shit like warehousing and logistics or have to pay 2.2 million workers.

 

[pgs]

And yet communism/Marxism is what's being pushed for the most part. The concept that capitalism is inherently evil is being pushed as well. The problem is the lefties want equality of outcome, NOT equal opportunity because some people simply have "more" to them than others. I agree that capitalism must be tempered somewhat. I believe that capitalism is a fundamental right but like all rights there needs to be reasonable limits and those limits need to be clearly defined. For example, raider capitalism should be prohibited. You should have every right to amass whatever wealth you can, as long as it's a result of your own hard work and effort and not the result of destroying people's lives.
But as you said, none of that will come to pass until we start electing people who actually give a shit and don't simply pay us lip service during campaign season.

Actually elect people who are more then a pretty face who can speak without talking .

 

[Jinentonix]

Actually elect people who are more then a pretty face who can speak without talking .

Yeah, we tried that with ol' Moose jaw and the Cretin. Didn't work out well for Canada in either case. A better bet would be to quit electing shit heads from Quebec and Eastern Ontario. That would at least be a start.

 

[pgs]

More clanging.

That's what I've been saying, we have a basically good system, it just needs some fine tuning. The environment is suffering in part because the corporate sector is not being held to account in cleaning up after themselves. Employment in our industrial sector has suffered because jobs are being shipped out of the country. Amassing "whatever wealth you can" opens up a big can of worms, especially if you have an employees list full of low wage earners with no benefits.

Most resource industries in British Columbia are well regulated and do minimal enviromental damage while paying high wages . The largest source of habitat destruction is human encroachment by farming and inhabiting .

 

[pgs]

Yeah, we tried that with ol' Moose jaw and the Cretin. Didn't work out well for Canada in either case. A better bet would be to quit electing shit heads from Quebec and Eastern Ontario. That would at least be a start.

Both lawyers who talk out of both sides of the mouth .

 

[Jinentonix]

Both lawyers who talk out of both sides of the mouth .

Yep, which really was quite the trick from Chretien.

 

[Nick Danger]

You know what I find interesting about people who whine about low pay and no benefits? They've never owned or managed a business in their lives but think because they had a job once they're experts on the subject. Do you know what the single largest expense pretty much every business has? Payroll. They ain't just paying you, they're also paying a portion of your CPP, Workman's Comp and EI as well as matching your tax deductions from source.

You talk like there aren't any shit jobs with shit wages out there run by people who could afford to pay more. Why do you thing there's a labour shortage on in low paying jobs ? People have figured out there are better choices available. The ones who are crying that they can't find anyone to work in their restaurant or clean the rooms in their motel are the ones expecting the world for minimum wage.

 

[Nick Danger]

Most resource industries in British Columbia are well regulated and do minimal enviromental damage...

Nope. Resource extraction is a huge polluter in BC. Google "resource extraction pollution in BC" and read about our mines and pulp mills and oil industry.

 

[pgs]

Nope. Resource extraction is a huge polluter in BC. Google "resource extraction pollution in BC" and read about our mines and pulp mills and oil indusI know all about them and they are the most regulated in the world . Of course you can find examples of pot p

Nope. Resource extraction is a huge polluter in BC. Google "resource extraction pollution in BC" and read about our mines and pulp mills and oil industry.

Right , of course there have been accidents and polluting activities , but these have mostly been regulated and are past practises . Resource extraction keeps the wheels of industry turning .

But you fail to mention agriculture which eats up all the productive lower land .

 

[Jinentonix]

You talk like there aren't any shit jobs with shit wages out there run by people who could afford to pay more.

While others act like every employer is like that. And entry level jobs aren't meant to be high paying jobs. Non-skilled work isn't supposed to be high paying either but unions got everyone believing they should get paid $60,000-$70,000 out of the gate to salt fries or flip burgers.

Why do you thing there's a labour shortage on in low paying jobs ? People have figured out there are better choices available.

Only if they bring something to the table other than unskilled labour. Or figure out their own racket. Plus all the govt cheese being thrown around is a big incentive to not work.

The ones who are crying that they can't find anyone to work in their restaurant or clean the rooms in their motel are the ones expecting the world for minimum wage.

Never run a restaurant, have you. Most businesses operate on a 15%-20% profit margin. Most restaurants operate on a 5% profit margin although there are a handful that manage to do better. To put that profit margin stuff another way, they have to sell $100 worth of food to make $5 profit. And if you're dumb and use mostly frozen and canned shit that you simply heat up and serve, it really fucks your food costs and ultimately your bottom line. A motel's profit margins aren't a whole lot higher either.

 

[Jinentonix]

Nope. Resource extraction is a huge polluter in BC. Google "resource extraction pollution in BC" and read about our mines and pulp mills and oil industry.

"We want stuff. But there should be zero environmental cost to produce it". An impossibility. Or is this just a case of NIMBYism? I mean if it's BC pollution that's the problem, well I'm more concerned about the fact that a province that has just 13% of this country's population is responsible for 40% of this country's total raw sewage dumping.
We need more particulate in the air to combat global warming.

 

[Hoof Hearted]

Total equity is to Communism

as

Climate change is to Global warming

Both the terms Communism and Global warming were tarnished, so the new talking points were changed to make the agenda more palatable.

 

[taxslave]

You talk like there aren't any shit jobs with shit wages out there run by people who could afford to pay more. Why do you thing there's a labour shortage on in low paying jobs ? People have figured out there are better choices available. The ones who are crying that they can't find anyone to work in their restaurant or clean the rooms in their motel are the ones expecting the world for minimum wage.

There is a labour shortage because turdOWE is paying people that have never worked twice what pensioners get after forced contributions for 50+ years to sit at home and play video games. Why are young people permitted to sit at home and collect hi priced welfare while crops are rotting in the fields because of a lack of help?
Don't forget that restaurant and hotel workers also get a lot of cash tips. A young lady I know was doing a welding apprenticeship but quit to go back to working in a restaurant because at the end of the week she made more take home money working for minimum wage.

 

[taxslave]

We seem to have gotten sidetracked from the OP.
The fact is communism would destroy our economy and lifestyle. We would soon be like China and North Korea where only party insiders have any kind of decent living and the rest starve. All for the common good of course. Read animal farm. Even after all these years it is still right on track.

 

[Hoof Hearted]

Four legs good. Two legs bad.

And Boxer the horse is one of the most tragic figures in literature...in my mind anyways.

 

[Nick Danger]

While others act like every employer is like that. And entry level jobs aren't meant to be high paying jobs.

We could argue about that all day, but the simple facts is that cost of living has outpaced wages at the lower end of the scale. It's just numbers, most people simply cannot afford to work for minimum wage any more. Employers who aren't keeping pace by raising wages appropriately, unlike the service industry employers who aren't whining about labour shortages, are finding that they are chronically short of staff due to high turnover, and/or having to settle for workers no one else will hire. While the pandemic has shone a spotlight on thei issue, it predates the pandemic by years. This isn't so much a discussion of what should be, but one of what actually is happening. People are finding better options, and as far as I'm concerned, it's an improvement.