What's up with China stealing our technologies?

[Said1]

Re: RE: What's up with China stealing our technologies?

Please do not think you are immune to Chinese tricks. .

Silly eagle, tricks are for kids.



Sorry, I couldn't help myself.


Seriously though, it probably has more to do with the technology' lifecycle, than anything. Things are reproduced eventually all the time, the Chinese are not the only ones guilty of this. Competition is good, remember what happened to Beta?

 

[Machjo]

In other words, the government ought to keep its mouth shut in public and just go thorugh the appropriate international channels. Let the international authorites, not Canada,deal with it.

 

[Machjo]

Re: RE: What's up with China stealing our technologies?

China will always look to what is good for China. WHat happened with Canada's Blackberry tech is nothing new. It is all fine and good to look at China as a future super power to counter the US but now Canada is seeing that CHina will use them as well.

Please do not think you are immune to Chinese tricks. Take them to the International COurt and the will just smile and nod as they have always done. And believe me, internal dissent in China is answered swiftly. The Chinese Govt. would easily kill millions of it's own if it had too to maintain power.

Come to China, Eagle Smack. The people have outsmarted the government. It's not what they do that counts anymore, it's what they DON'T DO. People just ignore the law. After all, if they organise a protst, they make themselves into a clear target. If they just ignore the law and do what they want in their daily life, everything's just a mess. Come here and you'll see what I mean.

 

[jimmoyer]

Machjo, I think you're right about challenging the
Chinese in World Court, but I don't see that as a practical
matter ever happening.

We'll have to rely on coming up with new technology
and new ideas to race ahead, and understand as Said1
posted about a technology's life-cycle is finite due
to new discoveries and innovation and competition.

There's a patent lawyer on one my historical tours
down here that frequently goes to Hong Kong
to dicker over the constant theft. He's having
quite an interesting career over this.

 

[Machjo]

Good points. If teh Chinese government has nothing to do with these tefts, then I suppose this can just be dealt with on a case by case basis in chinese courts. If the Chinese government is involved, I still think Canada has a duty to report it even if it only gives Canada a symbolic victory. It could benefit us later if some other issue comes up in futrue in that the world court should already have acknowledged whether or not the evidence for the claim is sufficient. It's called covering our asses. Otherwise, if all we do is complain, then the Chinese react by thinking we're just anti-Chinese liars or something. Then it's just our word against theirs with us being white buffoons, or was that clouns... whatever the Chinese poster said.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: RE: What's up with China stealing our technologies?

China will always look to what is good for China. WHat happened with Canada's Blackberry tech is nothing new. It is all fine and good to look at China as a future super power to counter the US but now Canada is seeing that CHina will use them as well.

Please do not think you are immune to Chinese tricks. Take them to the International COurt and the will just smile and nod as they have always done. And believe me, internal dissent in China is answered swiftly. The Chinese Govt. would easily kill millions of it's own if it had too to maintain power.

Come to China, Eagle Smack. The people have outsmarted the government. It's not what they do that counts anymore, it's what they DON'T DO. People just ignore the law. After all, if they organise a protst, they make themselves into a clear target. If they just ignore the law and do what they want in their daily life, everything's just a mess. Come here and you'll see what I mean.

Are you from China? If you are that is pretty interesting. I would like to say "Welcome" but I am a guest here at Canadiancontent myself. I honestly think Canadiancontent is THE best forum around. Plus you have most likely been here before I.

I hope you are right in this case. I hope that the people of China "outsmart" the Chinese Govt. out of power. But as I see it the Chinese people have a long way to go.

 

[EagleSmack]

If the story is accurate then the Chinese stole Canadian tech and duplicated it. Therefor they have ripped off the people of Canada.

The Canadians have a right to be up in arms. But in the end the Chinese will ignore everyone and keep doing what is good for China.

 

[Said1]

Defectors ussually renounce their country and give up secrets in exchange for asylim most of the time, don't they? How come they never say anything nice?

 

[Machjo]

Re: RE: What's up with China stealing our technologies?

[quote="EagleSmack
Are you from China? If you are that is pretty interesting. I would like to say "Welcome" but I am a guest here at Canadiancontent myself. I honestly think Canadiancontent is THE best forum around. Plus you have most likely been here before I.

I hope you are right in this case. I hope that the people of China "outsmart" the Chinese Govt. out of power. But as I see it the Chinese people have a long way to go.[/quote]

I'm in China but not from China. I don't think it would be wise to outsmart the Cinese government out of power since it does act as a stabilizer in a very fragile nation. But certainly public pressure is on to change its policies. And China is slowly responding as it opens up. And yes, the Chinese people have a long way to go, but so do we. And we need to learn alot more about how to deal with them diplomatically. What Harper did was not wise. Action speaks louder than words. Either take China to the appropriate international authority or keep quiet. Otherwise Canada will just make things worse for itself as it becomes accuesd of lying and intrigues.

 

[jimmoyer]

Machjo, even if leaders are not able to follow their
words with action, saying something about the
Chinese theft is still a good thing.

When Mubarak of Egypt accused much of the Shia
in Iraq owing allegiance to Iran rather than to their
own country of Iraq, it had quite an impact.

Who knows if Mubarak said it out of natural Sunni
suspicion of the Shi-ites or said it for other deeper
reasons, but the effect of his politically incorrect
statement unified a lot of the Sunni and Shia leaders
in Iraq together.

Likewise a war of words will build as China flexes
its new found muscles. They'll get stuck on their
favorite Paper Tiger saying. Let them.

By the way they're just getting over a Rolling Stone
concert over there.

 

[Machjo]

Re: RE: What's up with China stealing our technologies?

quote="jimmoyer"Machjo, even if leaders are not able to follow their
words with action, saying something about the
Chinese theft is still a good thing.

It depends on how it's done. If it's just an empty accusation, then it can make the Canadians look spiteful without evidence to back it up. If on the other hand Canada said nothing but just presented the evidence to teh world court, then the criticism would come from an authoritative body. And sinse Canada itself would have said nothing, no one could have accused it of being spiteful. And the message would have been much louder since comming from Canada it's just an accusation. Comming from an international body, it's an official judgement.

When Mubarak of Egypt accused much of the Shia
in Iraq owing allegiance to Iran rather than to their
own country of Iraq, it had quite an impact.

I don't know the full story here so won't comment on it.

Who knows if Mubarak said it out of natural Sunni
suspicion of the Shi-ites or said it for other deeper
reasons, but the effect of his politically incorrect
statement unified a lot of the Sunni and Shia leaders
in Iraq together.

No comment.

Likewise a war of words will build as China flexes
its new found muscles. They'll get stuck on their
favorite Paper Tiger saying. Let them.

And this is the problem with a war of words. It just destroys any heathy relationship between two nations.

 

[EagleSmack]

No doubt Machjo. I have said more than once that the US could learn a lot from the Chinese and how they deal with international affairs. I mean the Chinese have a huge army and a seat on the UN Security Council. When was the last time anyone saw Chinese soldiers ditty bopping in someone elses country?

 

[godsend]

Re: RE: What's up with China stealing our technologies?

technology
is common human public property
period

amen...

 

[jimmoyer]

technology
is common human public property
period

------------------godsend's quote of a local gadfly--------

Technology comes from ideas.

Ideas that are YOURS.

Not another person's.

Yours.

Are you cortezzz ?

LOL !!!

 

[Hank C]

Re: RE: What's up with China stealing our technologies?

Let's hope that the "forceful manner" being referred to by our new Government of Canada doesn't reward us with a smoldering crater where our lovely Peace Tower once stood, okay?

oh you just said a mouthful there, 5par... I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw it! I mean really, do we know what we're biting off with strong language like that?

what strong language, what is there to be scared of? did I miss something?

 

[Machjo]

The Chinese military is not even designed to be able to attack as far as Canada. It's designed for two purposes only:

1. National defense of its territory.
2. Ability to fight a civil war to take the island of Taiwan.

that's it.

So there is really nothing Canada need fear from China militarily, unless we intend to attack china of course.

Now diplomatically, economically, those could be otehr issues. But militarily, nah.

 

[Hank C]

Re: RE: What's up with China stealing our technologies?

Ah, probably just to look tough on TV and win some political browny points with Canadians. Problem is though, that too much of that eventually changes the impression of the PM from "tough" to "all talk no action".

I dunno the government has followed through on things such as outlawing the Tamil Tigers (previously ignored by Liberals because of their support of each other), cutting aid to the Palestinian authority ect....maybe after we elect Harper in a majority govt we may get a foreign policy after all..!

 

[FiveParadox]

Hank C, I would suggest that while the Prime Minister has carried through on certain promises and suggestions made during the campaign, one cannot ignore the fact that he has simultaneously attempted to shut the media out of the Government — he has a strangle-hold on the Government, the party, and if he has his way, the Parliament of Canada.

 

[Hank C]

well he definately is different than the the other post-Trudeau PMs in handling the media.......but if it works I dont really care

 

[FiveParadox]

Mackey Pursues Accusations

The Honourable Peter MacKay, P.C., M.P., the Member for Central Nova and the Minister of Foreign Affairs, yesterday stated that the Government of Canada intends to "crack down on Chinese spies". The Canadian Security Intelligence Service has found that there are at least one thousand Chinese economic spies operating within the borders of Canada.

However, I am unsure as to how the Minister thinks that he is going to accomplish this. The embassy in Ottawa has denied that the People's Republic of China has sent any such "operatives" into Canada for any such purposes. The agency names, in particular, Chinese immigrants, foreign students and business delegations as threats to the economic security of Canada.

canada.com[/color]]Information and technology that has been the target of economic espionage includes trade and pricing information, investment strategy, contract details, supplier lists, planning documents, research and development data, technical drawings and computer databases.

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