What's the Difference Between Frodo and Gollum?

[petros]

Actual prophecy? No. Although at one point after Frodo wished someone had killed Gollum, Gandalf gently admonished him and them said that Gollum may still have a part to play before the end.

So no cocks crowing n such. Can't compare.

 

[Jinentonix]

So no cocks crowing n such. Can't compare.

I think you missed the context of the conversation. I'm not saying Gollum is basically Judas, I'm saying their ultimate fates beyond death were similar despite the "evil" they committed because they were "fated" to commit those acts. They needed to do what they did in order for humanity to be saved, and in the case of LoTR, to also flourish.

 

[Motar]

If you recollect the book, in the end Frodo did the same thing Gollum did: claimed the ring as his own.

Gollum got a lava bath, Frodo was celebrated and revered as a hero and went to eternal bliss in the closest thing Tolkein's world had to heaven.

What's fair about that?

Similar to Judas and Peter. Both betrayed Christ, however one felt remorse and self-destructed (Matt 27), while the other repented and was reinstated (John 21). People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart (1 Samuel 16:7).

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Similar to Judas and Peter. Both betrayed Christ, however one felt remorse and self-destructed (Matt 27), while the other repented and was reinstated (John 21). People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart (1 Samuel 16:7).

Well, that message of "no remorse" seems to have been followed by many of Peter's spiritual (or at least organizational) descendents.

 

[Motar]

Well, that message of "no remorse" seems to have been followed by many of Peter's spiritual (or at least organizational) descendents.

In Paul’s record, a distinction is made between worldly (deathly) remorse, and repentant (salvific) remorse. “Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death” (2 Cor 7:10). Who can judge? Only God.

 

[Jinentonix]

I’m not up on the Lord of the Rings. I’ve never read the books and I think I’ve seen one of the movies at one point. Maybe it was just a Trailer from one of the movies showing the High Points??

Your last couple sentences above, though, do some up most religions, as I understand them. Damn….

Yep, pretty much. At least the Abrahamic ones anyway. There's one big difference though. Religions are often a "good" ultimately defeats "evil" narrative while Lord of the Rings is not. It's actually an 'evil is the source of its own defeat' narrative.