What would happen to english speakers in quebec if they separated

[Logic 7]

:wave: LOGIC as usual calling people names, this time moron and retarded??? where are the moderators when you need them...

And since Logic has linked the Nazi's with this post, and already commented on the Middle-East I can't help but add that the Nazi's do have a lot in common with the problem in the Middle East.

The Nazi's demanded a religous type of fanaticism and sworn allegiance to a single leader and to follow orders without question. This is also the same in North Korea with Krazzzi Kim as to not dust hims picture could get you thrown in a concentration camp, with three generations of your family. This is also the same in the Middle-East as it is a religious fanaticism and sworn allegance to Muhammad, and to follow teachings without question...interesting how history repeats itself.

The only people we continue to have problems with here in Canada, are found in in Quebec that is about 10% of the FRENCH CANADIANS which is about 3% of the population, and it is this minority, probably on welfare, that insist on discriminatory laws that pressure english to leave the province. It is absurd that they impose such stupid language laws on other, you don't see it in any other province. I say if they don't like being part fo an English speaking country then go somewhere else. l hear france lets anyone and everyone into there country...look at all the muslims now ruling that country. The Quebec 3% trouble makers forget they lost the war a long long time ago ....English should be a mandatory language for every school, and should be the one language of the entire country....

except words like croisant and ow-la-la of course... :wave: :hello1: :hello1: :hello1:

Quebec doesnt pressure anyone to leave, when you go to quebec, you have to learn french, perdiod,otherwise, just get the hell out, read my lips, quebec is french not english.



BY the way, quebec makes 23% of the total population of canada, so again GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHTS.

 

[CDNBear]

You keep calling peoples names, so i just give it back to you, and you well deserve the name of a moron, since you are a real one, don't need to justified it.

Way to stay with the topic there ill.

You might try brushing up on something other then numbers. The fact still remains that the seperatists are racist and so are you. Deal with it.

Anyone that supports bill 101 is not only a racist, but a true facist.

Look up the words, look at the law. It's not rocket science.

But for ill, it will be.

 

[shannon]

Quebec doesnt pressure anyone to leave, when you go to quebec, you have to learn french, perdiod,otherwise, just get the hell out, read my lips, quebec is french not english.

WHAT ?!?!?! Are you for real???

Listen Mrs. Smarty pants, I was born and raised in Montreal, Quebec. I was educated in English. I speak only English, not French. You are an immigrant who came to my city. We have a saying here ... "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT". IF YOU DON'T APPRECIATE CANADA, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO HEAD BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM. You have no right telling me, a native born Canadian to leave my home city. Some nerve! What gall, an immigrant telling me that I have to leave my hometown. This one surely takes the cake. If you don't like it here, we'll round up a plane and haul your carcass back to France. Will that suit you just fine?

GOD ALMIGHTY!!!

 

[CDNBear]

Get used to illogic Shannon, she is daft at the best of times.

Here's more reasons Quebec should shut up, as well as illogic...

http://thetyee.ca/Views/2005/06/27/UnityCrisis/

 

[northstar]

WHAT ?!?!?! Are you for real???

Listen Mrs. Smarty pants, I was born and raised in Montreal, Quebec. I was educated in English. I speak only English, not French. You are an immigrant who came to my city. We have a saying here ... "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT". IF YOU DON'T APPRECIATE CANADA, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO HEAD BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM. You have no right telling me, a native born Canadian to leave my home city. Some nerve! What gall, an immigrant telling me that I have to leave my hometown. This one surely takes the cake. If you don't like it here, we'll round up a plane and haul your carcass back to France. Will that suit you just fine?

GOD ALMIGHTY!!!

--SHANNON

I had to just post that again Shannon because l really appreciate you posting it, Illogic all seven of her, just gives Quebec a terrible name. When I have gone to Quebec, even just going through it, l have totally loved it. It has so much charm and incredible beauty.

When l read the post of people like you l have faith in Quebec again.

 

[CDNBear]

--SHANNON

I had to just post that again Shannon because l really appreciate you posting it, Illogic all seven of her, just gives Quebec a terrible name. When I have gone to Quebec, even just going through it, l have totally loved it. It has so much charm and incredible beauty.

When l read the post of people like you l have faith in Quebec again.

I can whole heartedly concuer, it is la belle provence, and the Quebecois, that are truly beautiful and unique. It is not the Quebecuois and the culturaly pure vision of Quebec that I see, that will leave those lasting memories in our minds.

 

[Winnipegger]

St. Boniface (a french community in Winnipeg) is encopuraging increased immigration from France, so we would certainly welcome any Quebecois who wish to enhance our city!

 

[Sassylassie]

Quebec doesnt pressure anyone to leave, when you go to quebec, you have to learn french, perdiod,otherwise, just get the hell out, read my lips, quebec is french not english.



BY the way, quebec makes 23% of the total population of canada, so again GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHTS.

Logic has admited she's in this Country Illegally, she's working and living in Quebec so my question is why hasn't she been deported back to his beloved Belgium? Could it be Logic that the Muslim have taken over your country so you are acting out against the English in Canada I believe it's called transferance of emotion. I recommend you google this line Logic "Belgium woke up and then went back to sleep" this article tells it like it is in your Mother Land. It hate purdy in Belgium but if you are an illegal alien you should be forced to get the hell out of my country Logic. MY COUNTY, not yours dear.

Note to self: Call immigration Canada for info on "Illegal Aliens".

 

[CDNBear]

Logic has admited she's in this Country Illegally, she's working and living in Quebec so my question is why hasn't she been deported back to his beloved Belgium? Could it be Logic that the Muslim have taken over your country so you are acting out against the English in Canada I believe it's called transferance of emotion. I recommend you google this line Logic "Belgium woke up and then went back to sleep" this article tells it like it is in your Mother Land. It hate purdy in Belgium but if you are an illegal alien you should be forced to get the hell out of my country Logic. MY COUNTY, not yours dear.

Note to self: Call immigration Canada for info on "Illegal Aliens".

illogic7 and friends.

 

[northstar]

LOL...
and to add to this...

Logic has admited she's in this Country Illegally, she's working and living in Quebec so my question is why hasn't she been deported back to his beloved Belgium? Could it be Logic that the Muslim have taken over your country so you are acting out against the English in Canada I believe it's called transferance of emotion. I recommend you google this line Logic "Belgium woke up and then went back to sleep" this article tells it like it is in your Mother Land. It hate purdy in Belgium but if you are an illegal alien you should be forced to get the hell out of my country Logic. MY COUNTY, not yours dear.

Note to self: Call immigration Canada for info on "Illegal Aliens".

--sassylassie

I also remember all seven personalities of Logic admitting that she supported Hezbollah and Hamas, so l think deportation should be following a thorough investigation into terrorist activites, if you have any information Logic, l am sure the RCMP need to have a chat before the deportation hearing...

It is called Al Taquiyya.

 

[shannon]

Oh my...

Poor, poor english speakers in Quebec! Boo hoo hoo!

That clip by RBO simply makes fun of the paranoid vision of an extremist post-seperation Quebec.

Bill 101 trampling rights??!!! Give me a break! If english speakers in Quebec can't live with bill 101 they are free to move somewhere else... It is approved by a majority of Quebecers.

Well, I guess Civil Rights are not a major issue for you in Quebec, s_lone. Many English speakers whose families have been here for generations and have owned businesses in the past, now all of a sudden can no longer operate these businesses as they are required by law to operate in French. That is a clear violation of civil liberties (as admitted by the late separatist Liberal leader Robert Bourassa, not to mention the United Nations), as these folks are denied their livelihood.

Don't know about you, s_lone, but being denied the ability to continue with my family business in Quebec because of my ethnic background amounts to a clear violation of my civil liberties.

Just think about Bill 101 for a second, s_lone. We have publically funded English schools in Quebec, not to mention English universities, however bill 101 tells us that we can't run a business in Quebec in English. What kind of a backwards system is this??? It's ridiculous.

As for us English speakers moving elsewhere, no way. We've been here for generations, why should we leave? If you don't like us being here, then I'd advise you board the next flight to France. You don't want us to work because we don't speak French, then we'll just live off the government. It is their law, so let them support us.

 

[General James Wolfe]

S_Lone


You are so lucky that Anglo-Canadians are just so dam tollerant with Quebecois. After all it was the British who captured Quebec from the French and out of the goodness of their heart, they allowed your anscestors to stay in Quebec when they should have expelled them like they did to the Acadians.


Quebec belongs to the Anglo-Canadians and not the Franco-Quebecois, just deal with it. Quebec belongs to the English language and not the French language.


I am sick of my brothers and sisters being perscuted in the land they rightfuly owned since 1760. I am appauled that the French language is forced down the throats of an English speaking Nation such as Canada and especaily in Quebec.


If the French won the French and Indian War they would not be as tollerant to the defeated British settlers in North America as the British are tollerant to the French settlers of North America. France is the only nation in the world that has a language ministry dedicated to enforcing the French language, I think its about time to do the same to the Quebecois and force the English langauge on them and out law the French languge.


TOLLERANCE HAS NOT WORKED WITH THE QUEBECOIS.


Anglo-Canadians have used the carrot too many times, it is now time for the Anglo-Canadians to use the stick.


QUEBEC BELONGS TO CANADA TODAY
QUEBEC BELONGS TO CANADA TOMORROW
QUEBEC BELONGS TO CANADA FOREVER

Death to the Fascist Language Laws of Quebec
Down with the Language Police of Quebec

 

[ottawabill]

Quebec doesnt pressure anyone to leave, when you go to quebec, you have to learn french, perdiod,otherwise, just get the hell out, read my lips, quebec is french not english.



BY the way, quebec makes 23% of the total population of canada, so again GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHTS.

so why does Quebec get 72.8% attention??

It's funny how narrow minded this becomes within Quebec..the only way they can keep it straight is to speak about the French English struggle... Always forgetting that the rest of the country is really no all that English. Good or bad there are many in the rest of the country who don't speak English or not well anyways...and many are French...for their lack of trying we produce signage, documents and government literature in all kinds of other languages..the city of Toronto puts most of its stuff out in atleast 7 languages. There are areas of North Toronto where you will only see Chinese writing on signage, same in Vancouver....

I think these people should learn english but I'm not about to say get out if they don't...Logic you sound like Archie Bunker at times

 

[northstar]

Logic you sound like Archie Bunker at times

ottawabill

HA! LOVE IT!!!!

 

[s_lone]

Well, I guess Civil Rights are not a major issue for you in Quebec, s_lone. Many English speakers whose families have been here for generations and have owned businesses in the past, now all of a sudden can no longer operate these businesses as they are required by law to operate in French. That is a clear violation of civil liberties (as admitted by the late separatist Liberal leader Robert Bourassa, not to mention the United Nations), as these folks are denied their livelihood.

Don't know about you, s_lone, but being denied the ability to continue with my family business in Quebec because of my ethnic background amounts to a clear violation of my civil liberties.

Just think about Bill 101 for a second, s_lone. We have publically funded English schools in Quebec, not to mention English universities, however bill 101 tells us that we can't run a business in Quebec in English. What kind of a backwards system is this??? It's ridiculous.

As for us English speakers moving elsewhere, no way. We've been here for generations, why should we leave? If you don't like us being here, then I'd advise you board the next flight to France. You don't want us to work because we don't speak French, then we'll just live off the government. It is their law, so let them support us.

Ok Shannon, I'm not as insensible to English speakers the way my rather unrational post suggests.

The fact is I am english speaking myself. I'm from Quebec city and my father teaches at St-Patrick's high school. His french is terrible. It is impressive how much he managed to live his life in English so this is why I tend to chuckle when I hear the terms "trampled rights" concerning English speakers. He ended up marrying a French Canadian and gave birth to 4 kids including myself who are perfectly bilingual.

Now I understand that my father was lucky enough to work in the public system where English schools are largely accepted. But right now I work in a business which is 90% run in English. Most of our clients are anglophone and we just use the language we need in the right situation. When I answer the phone I ALWAYS answer in English and then I switch to French if needed. Even French speakers usually start talking in English when they hear me speak English. I can usually hear their accent so I then switch to French.

Where do you work Shannon? You live here, you'll know how much English is used in businesses. I'm not sure the law is being applied very rigorously.

That being said, I'm more than open to adapt bill 101 to today's reality. And no, I don't really want to see English speakers leave Quebec. It's just that if I felt MY rights were trampled, I would consider living somewhere else. Clearly, I don't feel my rights are being trampled in any way.

But I understand I would probably not feel that way if I didn't speak French.

 

[CDNBear]

As much as I wish i could agree with you s-lone, I have experienced more smugness from shop keeps and the like in Quebec, then anywhere else on the planet. Hell, even over seas in areas where English is almost as foreign as poutine, to the general public, I was recieved better. Oh I've made Lebonese peoples laugh, near hysterically, but at least they didn't give that smug look and almost petulant look of disgust. They went out of their way to try and communicate. An act I have rarely seen in Quebec. Now in Hull and more touristy areas, there is a wholey different story, but in the areas where I love to fish, areas I grew up in. I'm an outcast in the eyes of the Quebecuois.

 

[s_lone]

As much as I wish i could agree with you s-lone, I have experienced more smugness from shop keeps and the like in Quebec, then anywhere else on the planet. Hell, even over seas in areas where English is almost as foreign as poutine, to the general public, I was recieved better. Oh I've made Lebonese peoples laugh, near hysterically, but at least they didn't give that smug look and almost petulant look of disgust. They went out of their way to try and communicate. An act I have rarely seen in Quebec. Now in Hull and more touristy areas, there is a wholey different story, but in the areas where I love to fish, areas I grew up in. I'm an outcast in the eyes of the Quebecuois.

And I'm truly sad to hear that. I clearly live among Québecois and I consider you as my brother whether you consider yourself a Québecois or not. The Quebecuois will hopefully disappear as time goes by.

I think it's important not to confuse the laws (such as bill 101) and the good or bad attitude of people towards the linguistic issue in Quebec. It's 2 different things.

 

[CDNBear]

And I'm truly sad to hear that. I clearly live among Québecois. The Quebecuois will hopefully disappear as time goes by.

I think it's important not to confuse the laws (such as bill 101) and the good or bad attitude of people towards the linguistic issue in Quebec. It's 2 different things.

I see bill 101 as a symptom of a feeling of insecurity and lack of self esteme.

If one feels safe in ones skin, they do not need to force others to conform to their will to protect their vision of themselves. They need only be themselves. The Quebecois are a charished part of our Canadian culture and heritage. To loose them, is tantamount to loosing a close family member.

What exactly is it that feeds the mentality that you need to seperate?

Have we not made enough concessions to you?

Do we not show our appriciation of you enough?

I'm genuinely curious. I all I have ever heard is, that we do not respect you. Which is a complete line of BS. I would say it is the other way around, but I would have a bias here. So your point of view is a necessaty, for me to get a better picture. I'm sure you have a excellent picture of my worries, lol.

 

[Niflmir]

I see bill 101 as a symptom of a feeling of insecurity and lack of self esteme.

If one feels safe in ones skin, they do not need to force others to conform to their will to protect their vision of themselves. They need only be themselves. The Quebecois are a charished part of our Canadian culture and heritage. To loose them, is tantamount to loosing a close family member.

What exactly is it that feeds the mentality that you need to seperate?

Have we not made enough concessions to you?

Do we not show our appriciation of you enough?

I'm genuinely curious. I all I have ever heard is, that we do not respect you. Which is a complete line of BS. I would say it is the other way around, but I would have a bias here. So your point of view is a necessaty, for me to get a better picture. I'm sure you have a excellent picture of my worries, lol.

Your last sentence is indicative of a profound ignorance of your privilege as an anglophone in this country. Before you respond to that, you really should do a little bit of research so that you better understand all the privilege of being an anglophone in this country. The smugness that Francophones display to you, is nothing more than them exercising their right to silence in response to your privelege which allows you to ignore that very privelege.

From what I have read, you seem to fight for Native rights in the face of colonial privelege. Yet it seems to me that you really don't understand the basis for your own arguments. I am well aware of my priveleges. I have special priveleges granted to me because I am: a) a man, b) Caucasian, c) not physically disabled. I recognize these priveleges and do not hold a grudge against people that point them out to me. I seek to never misuse them against people less fortunate than me. Finally, I was onced diagnosed as bipolar, addicted to drugs, and with a drug induced psychosis. Because of this I can never truly be sure of my own mental health, and don't really have the priveleges that come with that.

I don't really want to offend you, but as you profess a curiosity in this issue, I see fit to point out that if you knew more about your special priveleges, you probably wouldn't feel the way you do.

 

[CDNBear]

Your last sentence is indicative of a profound ignorance of your privilege as an anglophone in this country. Before you respond to that, you really should do a little bit of research so that you better understand all the privilege of being an anglophone in this country. The smugness that Francophones display to you, is nothing more than them exercising their right to silence in response to your privelege which allows you to ignore that very privelege.

From what I have read, you seem to fight for Native rights in the face of colonial privelege. Yet it seems to me that you really don't understand the basis for your own arguments. I am well aware of my priveleges. I have special priveleges granted to me because I am: a) a man, b) Caucasian, c) not physically disabled. I recognize these priveleges and do not hold a grudge against people that point them out to me. I seek to never misuse them against people less fortunate than me. Finally, I was onced diagnosed as bipolar, addicted to drugs, and with a drug induced psychosis. Because of this I can never truly be sure of my own mental health, and don't really have the priveleges that come with that.

I don't really want to offend you, but as you profess a curiosity in this issue, I see fit to point out that if you knew more about your special priveleges, you probably wouldn't feel the way you do.

Firstly,
I am not an anglo-phone, I am Ohkwai, in my language, (which I speak even worse then French), Bear in English or Bruin en Francais. I am Onondga. Or better yet, I am an Onondaga Canadian. My priveleges are to the extent of what I can achieve. Not what I can suck out of anyone else at the expense of others. I rally against the waste theft and corruption of my peoples, and against the abuses I fear they will face under a seperate Quebec. I do not begrudge those that point out these flaws in my community, I hold those grudges for those that will not hear what I saye when I show them the truth.

Secondly.
My query was to extract a candid view of what it is that has fostered the feeling for seperation, in the hearts of the Quebecois. I know what permiates in the hearts of the Quebecuois. I have experienced that privilege for a good portion of my life.

With that in mind, could you please point out my special privileges?

The only ignorance, is to assume someone is something they are not. Then scold them for it.

I think my last sentence was an honest attempt to get to the root of the issue. Nothing more and certainly nothing less, let alone ignorant. To evade or go forth without s_lone's views, would be ignorant.