What will be the policy discussions of the next federal election?

Mowich

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I would like to see this pressing issue be part of policies discussions in the coming election, WU.


Canadian Coast Guard's Fleet At Risk Of 'Unrecoverable Failure': Documents

OTTAWA — Reduced search-and-rescue coverage, ferry-service disruptions, cancelled resupply runs to Arctic and coastal communities and nearly $2 million in lost navigational buoys.

Those are among the real safety, social and commercial impacts that communities across the country are starting to feel as the Canadian Coast Guard's fleet gets older, according to new documents obtained by The Canadian Press.

And the problems are expected to get worse: the documents warn that more than a third of the coast guard's 26 large vessels have exceeded their expected lifespans and many won't survive until replacements arrive.

Coverage of search-and-rescue areas reduced

"Vessels are at increasing risk of unrecoverable failure," reads one PowerPoint presentation prepared by coast guard officials last summer and marked "secret." "Many ships will not remain operational until their replacements arrive." Obtained through the access-to-information law, the documents underline the stakes facing the federal government and various communities if Canada does not have a capable coast-guard fleet.

They come amid questions about how and when the government will replace the coast guard's existing vessels. Only five new coast-guard ships are currently included in the government's multibillion-dollar national shipbuilding plan. The PowerPoint presentation is particularly frank in its assessment of what it describes as the "early impacts of an older fleet coupled with increasing demand" that are already visible.

"Over the past four years, lengthening repair periods and unplanned outages have temporarily reduced coverage in all four offshore search-and-rescue areas in Atlantic Canada," reads one section.

The coast guard has also lost nearly $2 million in navigational buoys in recent years "because they could not be removed due to ship availability and ice conditions," the presentation adds.

Ferry services have been interrupted, specifically Marine Atlantic's operations serving Newfoundland and commercial ships have been left waiting for days for icebreakers "at significant costs to industry." Canada has also failed to meet its obligations under the Northwest Atlantic Fisheries Organization in recent years for fisheries conservation and protection "due to repair and maintenance issues," the presentation says.

And the resupply of Arctic and coast communities have been delayed or cancelled — a problem that continued even after the presentation was prepared, as residents of three communities in the Northwest Territories can attest from last fall. "I don't know why they couldn't have arranged an icebreaker," John Holland, senior administrative officer for the hamlet of Paulatuk, told The Canadian Press in October after one scheduled sea lift was cancelled.

Fleet still 'reliable,' minister says

The coast guard has a long history of being overlooked and ignored in political Ottawa, which is one of the key factors in the age of the agency's fleet, said Rob Huebert, an expert on the Arctic at the University of Calgary.

The presentation underscores the impact of such neglect, he said, namely real safety concerns, in the case of search-and-rescue servicesand lost navigational buoys, and northern communities cut off from supplies. "We have talked in the past about an older coast-guard fleet and that there are problems (but) we can't get into details because the details are never presented," Huebert said. "This is the actual reality. This is what is happening."

Asked about the documents this week, Fisheries Minister Jonathan Wilkinson insisted in a statement the fleet "remains reliable" and the federal government "takes the renewal of the coast-guard fleet seriously."

Ottawa recently bought three second-hand icebreakers to pick up some of the slack, he noted, while the multibillion-dollar national shipbuilding plan includes money for one icebreaker and four science ships for the coast guard.

"We will continue to look at solutions so that Canadians can continue to receive the services they need," Wilkinson added.

Yet exactly when Seaspan Shipyards in Vancouver will deliver the fiveships included in the national shipbuilding plan remains uncertain, let alone when the government will decide how and when to replace the rest of the fleet. Seaspan was supposed to deliver the first of three fisheries-science vessels in early 2017 before problems were found with the ship's welding. It then crashed into a breakwater last month while returning from its first test run at sea.

A behind-the-scenes battle over contracts

Government officials say they still anticipate receiving that science ship this summer and that the other two will follow over the next year or so. Even if that happens, there is no firm schedule for the new heavy icebreaker and other science vessel to arrive.

Seaspan has also been tapped to build two new supply ships for the navy, the first of which won't be delivered until at least 2023.

Meanwhile, Seaspan and its Quebec-based rival Davie have been engaged in a fierce behind-the-scenes battle over the contracts for 10 other coast-guard ships that were promised to the Vancouver yard in 2013.

Seaspan has all but warned that its survival is contingent on building those ships, which were initially estimated to cost $3.3 billion.

Davie, however, has pointed out that Seaspan won't be able to start work on the ships for years and wants the government to shift the business to Davie.

www.huffingtonpost.ca/2019/04/08/canadian-coast-guard-ships_a_23708092/?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage
 

VIBC

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I hope you're wrong. That's what we've had for the last many decades and look where it's leading us.
I suspect pgs is right. I bet the election campaigns will be about personality, personal/partisan attacks and ideological dogma. Yes, it's what we've had for decades but I don't see it changing. Too much of the electorate revels in it, laps it up and buys into the mindless rhetoric.
 

spilledthebeer

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I would like to see this pressing issue be part of policies discussions in the coming election, WU.


Canadian Coast Guard's Fleet At Risk Of 'Unrecoverable Failure': Documents

OTTAWA — Reduced search-and-rescue coverage, ferry-service disruptions, cancelled resupply runs to Arctic and coastal communities and nearly $2 million in lost navigational buoys.

Those are among the real safety, social and commercial impacts that communities across the country are starting to feel as the Canadian Coast Guard's fleet gets older, according to new documents obtained by The Canadian Press.

And the problems are expected to get worse: the documents warn that more than a third of the coast guard's 26 large vessels have exceeded their expected lifespans and many won't survive until replacements arrive.

Coverage of search-and-rescue areas reduced

"Vessels are at increasing risk of unrecoverable failure," reads one PowerPoint presentation prepared by coast guard officials last summer and marked "secret." "Many ships will not remain operational until their replacements arrive." Obtained through the access-to-information law, the documents underline the stakes facing the federal government and various communities if Canada does not have a capable coast-guard fleet.

They come amid questions about how and when the government will replace the coast guard's existing vessels. Only five new coast-guard ships are currently included in the government's multibillion-dollar national shipbuilding plan. The PowerPoint presentation is particularly frank in its assessment of what it describes as the "early impacts of an older fleet coupled with increasing demand" that are already visible.

"Over the past four years, lengthening repair periods and unplanned outages have temporarily reduced coverage in all four offshore search-and-rescue areas in Atlantic Canada," reads one section.

The coast guard has also lost nearly $2 million in navigational buoys in recent years "because they could not be removed due to ship availability and ice conditions," the presentation adds.

Ferry services have been interrupted, specifically Marine Atlantic's operations serving Newfoundland and commercial ships have been left waiting for days for icebreakers "at significant costs to industry." Canada has also failed to meet its obligations under the Northwest Atlantic Fisheries Organization in recent years for fisheries conservation and protection "due to repair and maintenance issues," the presentation says.

And the resupply of Arctic and coast communities have been delayed or cancelled — a problem that continued even after the presentation was prepared, as residents of three communities in the Northwest Territories can attest from last fall. "I don't know why they couldn't have arranged an icebreaker," John Holland, senior administrative officer for the hamlet of Paulatuk, told The Canadian Press in October after one scheduled sea lift was cancelled.

Fleet still 'reliable,' minister says

The coast guard has a long history of being overlooked and ignored in political Ottawa, which is one of the key factors in the age of the agency's fleet, said Rob Huebert, an expert on the Arctic at the University of Calgary.

The presentation underscores the impact of such neglect, he said, namely real safety concerns, in the case of search-and-rescue servicesand lost navigational buoys, and northern communities cut off from supplies. "We have talked in the past about an older coast-guard fleet and that there are problems (but) we can't get into details because the details are never presented," Huebert said. "This is the actual reality. This is what is happening."

Asked about the documents this week, Fisheries Minister Jonathan Wilkinson insisted in a statement the fleet "remains reliable" and the federal government "takes the renewal of the coast-guard fleet seriously."

Ottawa recently bought three second-hand icebreakers to pick up some of the slack, he noted, while the multibillion-dollar national shipbuilding plan includes money for one icebreaker and four science ships for the coast guard.

"We will continue to look at solutions so that Canadians can continue to receive the services they need," Wilkinson added.

Yet exactly when Seaspan Shipyards in Vancouver will deliver the fiveships included in the national shipbuilding plan remains uncertain, let alone when the government will decide how and when to replace the rest of the fleet. Seaspan was supposed to deliver the first of three fisheries-science vessels in early 2017 before problems were found with the ship's welding. It then crashed into a breakwater last month while returning from its first test run at sea.

A behind-the-scenes battle over contracts

Government officials say they still anticipate receiving that science ship this summer and that the other two will follow over the next year or so. Even if that happens, there is no firm schedule for the new heavy icebreaker and other science vessel to arrive.

Seaspan has also been tapped to build two new supply ships for the navy, the first of which won't be delivered until at least 2023.

Meanwhile, Seaspan and its Quebec-based rival Davie have been engaged in a fierce behind-the-scenes battle over the contracts for 10 other coast-guard ships that were promised to the Vancouver yard in 2013.

Seaspan has all but warned that its survival is contingent on building those ships, which were initially estimated to cost $3.3 billion.

Davie, however, has pointed out that Seaspan won't be able to start work on the ships for years and wants the government to shift the business to Davie.

www.huffingtonpost.ca/2019/04/08/canadian-coast-guard-ships_a_23708092/?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage




LIE-berals have the same simple solution for this as they have for all national security issues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals will IGNORE the problem and simply let the Yankees do the job for us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That is why we have Yankee tariffs on Cdn biz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Paying the tariffs IS CHEAPER than looking after our own national security in any real way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Cliffy

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Party’s Over: Why We Need to Abolish Political Parties

As Simone Weil observed decades ago, they’re self-serving entities that elevate power and control above justice and the truth.

In 1943 Simone Weil, a French philosopher and mystic, concluded that political parties had become organizations dedicated to one purpose: “killing in all souls the sense of truth and justice.”
Although her radical essay calling for the abolition of political parties wasn’t published until 1950, it remains the only polished political stone on a beach now smothered in plastic.
The rightness of Weil’s argument is about as obvious as the opioid crisis, the existential threat of climate change or the demise of global economic growth.
In the United States two political parties have now divided the nation with the kind of violent partisan rhetoric that erupted just before the Civil War. Across the Western world, political parties have turned parliaments into digital circuses, provoking waves of contempt among ordinary people.
As a consequence, social research and the daily news suggest that people are losing faith in democracies and looking for caudillos (dictators) to set things right.
Declining voter turnout also indicates that people no longer regard political parties as legitimate instruments of democratic representation.
Canada reflects this dark reality too: every party here seems dedicated to breaking promises or thwarting the public interest with equanimity. It’s difficult to tell any difference between Liberals, Tories and New Democrats because all serve power, or the elites that employ that power in a technological society.
Now to truly appreciate the brilliance of Weil’s short essay, you need to know one or two things about her. Born in 1909 Weil lived among ordinary working people and donated most of her money earned by teaching Greek and philosophy to labour movements.
In 1938 God captured her, but Weil (pronounced “while”) rejected organized religion or any form of mass conformism. She wrote with the honesty of an unwashed prophet.


More: https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2018/06/29/Abolish-Political-Parties
 

VIBC

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"Rulers cannot abide that the people be represented: therefore political parties are needed to emasculate those we elect." - Chomsky?
 

pgs

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Party’s Over: Why We Need to Abolish Political Parties

As Simone Weil observed decades ago, they’re self-serving entities that elevate power and control above justice and the truth.

In 1943 Simone Weil, a French philosopher and mystic, concluded that political parties had become organizations dedicated to one purpose: “killing in all souls the sense of truth and justice.”
Although her radical essay calling for the abolition of political parties wasn’t published until 1950, it remains the only polished political stone on a beach now smothered in plastic.
The rightness of Weil’s argument is about as obvious as the opioid crisis, the existential threat of climate change or the demise of global economic growth.
In the United States two political parties have now divided the nation with the kind of violent partisan rhetoric that erupted just before the Civil War. Across the Western world, political parties have turned parliaments into digital circuses, provoking waves of contempt among ordinary people.
As a consequence, social research and the daily news suggest that people are losing faith in democracies and looking for caudillos (dictators) to set things right.
Declining voter turnout also indicates that people no longer regard political parties as legitimate instruments of democratic representation.
Canada reflects this dark reality too: every party here seems dedicated to breaking promises or thwarting the public interest with equanimity. It’s difficult to tell any difference between Liberals, Tories and New Democrats because all serve power, or the elites that employ that power in a technological society.
Now to truly appreciate the brilliance of Weil’s short essay, you need to know one or two things about her. Born in 1909 Weil lived among ordinary working people and donated most of her money earned by teaching Greek and philosophy to labour movements.
In 1938 God captured her, but Weil (pronounced “while”) rejected organized religion or any form of mass conformism. She wrote with the honesty of an unwashed prophet.


More: https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2018/06/29/Abolish-Political-Parties
If there are no parties , who would the crony capitalists buy ? For that matter who would the unions buy ?
 

spilledthebeer

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If there are no parties , who would the crony capitalists buy ? For that matter who would the unions buy ?


LIE-berals and their civil service union HOG allies simply WOULD NOT know what to do with themselves if it were not for political parties!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And of course just as soon as that allegedly non party group of LIE-berals and Hogs started oppressing us again..............................


the rest of us would have to get organized so we could oppose the oppression more effectively!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The LIE-beral idea of doing away with parties is a TOTAL FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And QUITE DISHONEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One has only to look at how Our idiot Boy Justin handled the Cdn Senate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In an effort to make the Senate look LESS BIGOTED and less LIE-beral oriented..................the idiot Boy took away the LIE-beral party membership cards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So now all the LIE-beral senators are PRETENDING not to be LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But what else should we expect from somebody like Our idiot Boy Justin- the ex drama teacher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There he is in Ottawa ACTING as if all the DRAMA in his political life is under control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for Cliffy............................his problem is he thinks he is smarter than white people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cliffy has formed this opinion under FALSE PRETENSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Apparently the only white people Cliffy knows are boot licking LIE-berals who puit up with his delusional crap in exchange for votes!!!!!!!!!!1
 

spilledthebeer

Executive Branch Member
Jan 26, 2017
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If there are no parties , who would the crony capitalists buy ? For that matter who would the unions buy ?


LIE-berals and their civil service union HOG allies simply WOULD NOT know what to do with themselves if it were not for political parties!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And of course just as soon as that allegedly non party group of LIE-berals and Hogs started oppressing us again..............................


the rest of us would have to get organized so we could oppose the oppression more effectively!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The LIE-beral idea of doing away with parties is a TOTAL FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And QUITE DISHONEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One has only to look at how Our idiot Boy Justin handled the Cdn Senate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In an effort to make the Senate look LESS BIGOTED and less LIE-beral oriented..................the idiot Boy took away the LIE-beral party membership cards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So now all the LIE-beral senators are PRETENDING not to be LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But what else should we expect from somebody like Our idiot Boy Justin- the ex drama teacher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There he is in Ottawa ACTING as if all the DRAMA in his political life is under control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for Cliffy............................his problem is he thinks he is smarter than white people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cliffy has formed this opinion under FALSE PRETENSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Apparently the only white people Cliffy knows are boot licking LIE-berals who puit up with his delusional crap in exchange for votes!!!!!!!!!!1