What makes speech free?

AMKiller

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Free speech is made up of speech that is vile and disagreeable. It's made up of ideas that are atrocious. Without "hate speech" there is no free speech.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Free speech is made up of speech that is vile and disagreeable. It's made up of ideas that are atrocious. Without "hate speech" there is no free speech.

That is true. I believe it was John Stuart Mill who said "If all the world is of one opinion, and one man of the contrary opinion, he has as much right to speak his opinion as all the world."

I know it was Justice William Brennan who said "Popular opinions don't need the protection of the First Amendment."

That said, it's also important to understand what "freedom of speech" is. It is protection from government action against your speech without special circumstances, such as "fighting words," "verbal actions," or obscenity. It is not protection from private parties, like your employer, your customers, or the general public.
 

TenPenny

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That said, it's also important to understand what "freedom of speech" is. It is protection from government action against your speech without special circumstances, such as "fighting words," "verbal actions," or obscenity. It is not protection from private parties, like your employer, your customers, or the general public.



I wish more people understood that part.
 

Danbones

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Yes, we have slander and libel laws, for AFTER the free speech takes place.
One must also take responsibility for ones words and actions

Preventing any speech before it happens is what nazi/commie criminal tyrants like the type george soros funds like to do...before they commit genocide on them.

A half billion dead in the last century and a half at least:
I wish more people understood that part.
 

White_Unifier

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Free speech is made up of speech that is vile and disagreeable. It's made up of ideas that are atrocious. Without "hate speech" there is no free speech.

Are you saying that speech that is not vile and disagreeable is not free? Hmmmm. From my experience, my more agreeable speech is quite freely given. Different experiences I guess.
 

AMKiller

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Are you saying that speech that is not vile and disagreeable is not free? Hmmmm. From my experience, my more agreeable speech is quite freely given. Different experiences I guess.
I'm saying that vile speech is what free speech is all about. Without disagreeable speech all we have left is an echo chamber.
 

Kreskin

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Yes, we have slander and libel laws, for AFTER the free speech takes place.
One must also take responsibility for ones words and actions

Preventing any speech before it happens is what nazi/commie criminal tyrants like the type george soros funds like to do...before they commit genocide on them.

A half billion dead in the last century and a half at least:
I wish more people understood that part.
Who prevents it before it happens? Like yoy said it might cone with a cost but no one is stopping you from saying it.