What is your religion?

What is your religion?


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Zed

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First of all the statement about religion being bulls**t was from the comedian George Carlin. I did mention that there was an issue of language in it.
Now Hollaback apologizes for his (her?) statements. Why I opposed your question is that - but I don't know, so I could be totally wrong, and you will surely get my apologies if it's like that- in the context of your post, the question for Hollaback does not stem from a genuine interest, as it seems you have made your conclusion already about religion ("organized religion [...] the bane of most of the worlds problems").
I may have conclusions as to organized religions benifit to mankind but I made no conclusion as to Hollaback's beliefs towards other religions. It seems you have made conclusions about me however. I know believers that say live and let live. I know other believers (Christian) who think thier belief system is the correct one and others are spinning thier wheels. It was and still is a valid question. I can also assure you that I'm not ignorant of the effect that the religions of the world have had on all of us.
 

Andem

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I have next to no religious beliefs and I associate with people who have similar views most of the time. It's never on purpose, though.

I don't really mind who believes in what, but it really bugs me when people are so adamant about telling people how right their religion is and how much they believe they've benefitted from believing in whatever. Keep it to yourself and I'm happy. Preach to me and tell me how wrong my life is and I'll flip and throw some facts in your face that won't make you very happy.
 

HockeyBabe

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Re: RE: What is your religion?

bevvyd said:
Aw hockeybabe, don't sweat it. You apologized and she still loves ya, or you wouldn't still be there. It's not like you were dialing some dirty 900 number or just calling people you didn't know out of the blue.

Us mums are pretty forgiving you know.

don't worry. I'm over it now anyway :wink:
 

Numure

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Apr 30, 2004
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Re: RE: What is your religion?

Rick van Opbergen said:
That always fascinates me from people from immigrant countries like Canada and the US: their ancestors. For what I know, I'm Dutch all through at least the last two centuries (probably longer); while you, and probably a lot of others, have ancestors from all those different countries ...

Well... I can talk for myself about that. I'm from north America, yet my descendance is practicly 100% french from Pitou. My ancester immigrated to Québec City in 1651. I have one Montagnais (Indian tribe in northern Québec) ancester that goes back 200 years... Explains the brown hair and brown eyes on my mothers side. But thats it.
 

Numure

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Isengard said:
I was raised as a Catholic but I'm an atheist since a long time. I do not believe in any supreme god who got tired of our stupidity and decided to let us kill each other until the next apocalypse so he can restart it all over for the third time(or was it fourth? can't remember)!!

You are like 75% of the population in Québec. Félicitation :) Its not rare here, but I've noticed many people are still religious in Canada and the US...
 

Rick van Opbergen

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Zed said:
I may have conclusions as to organized religions benifit to mankind but I made no conclusion as to Hollaback's beliefs towards other religions. It seems you have made conclusions about me however.
As I promised, my apologies for making these pre-mature conclusions. Anyway, it seems I have wandered off a bit - or at least, not totally explained what I wanted to say in my first initial post, in reaction to your post in which you quoted George Calin.

I still find the question useless, or at least not appropriate. Hollabak has been raised in a certain ideology (I assume). In fact, we all have been raised in a certain ideology (I assume). Whether that belief is "wrong" or "right", we can not tell. We can however reject a certain ideology from our own perspective. I personally reject the ideology of the Nazis. But what if I would live in a world where all people share this ideology? Would I still reject it? Or would I not "know better". Would it be useful for a bystander to discuss my ideology with me on a personal level? No. I don't think I would understand. Christianity - among other ways of believing - is an accepted ideology in our society(-ies). It's stupid to say, but a lot of Christians "just don't know better" - the same as a lot of Muslims "just don't know better", or a lot of atheists "just don't know better". This is not a sign of disrespect of me. It is in fact a good explanation for a whole bunch of things going on in the world. Discussing an ideology is possible - should be possible, and, luckily, has happened, in many, many occasions. But in such a discussion, I personally find it useless to ask people personal questions. What's the purpose? Do you want to attack them if their personal view doesn't please you? Now, Hollabak already made that mistake in his/her first post. The best discussions are the ones which can take the discussion to a higher level, without people feeling seriously offended because of their personal believes. And I believe that a personal question like you asked can offend Hollabak, or at least send the discussion in the wrong direction.

Oh and I don't believe you are ignorant Zed, to settle that issue.

And just say it when you believe I'm just babbling 8)
 

Dexter Sinister

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Religions are historical products of changing human cultures. They are born, evolve, and die; the ancient Greek, Roman, and Norse gods, for instance, are extinct by any reasonable measure, nor have we heard much from Baal and Marduk or Isis and Osiris lately. Belief in any particular god, or concept of god, seems to be quite relative to human cultures. There’s also a bewildering variety of religions available to choose from, and no conceivable basis for choosing the "right" one.

Technically there's no way to prove any particular god does or does not exist. Most religious people I've discussed these ideas with remark at some point that belief is a matter of faith and therefore immune to any kind of scientific investigation. I don't buy that. Even the most fuzzy-minded believer would have to agree that god must interact with the universe to some degree; if she doesn't, she might as well not exist. If she's not literally running everything on a second by second basis, as some fundamentalists claim, then she certainly originated and designed it, at least in the sense of choosing the right physical laws. That means god must be at least to some degree a part of the physical universe, and therefore a legitimate subject for scientific investigation.

A universe with a god in it ought to be detectably different from one without. If we consider the claim that god exists to be a statement about the nature of reality, then the supposed attributes of such a god become testable hypotheses. There are lots of statements we can make about the physical world that provide simple, logical reasons not to believe that the postulated anthropomorphic god exists. The first paragraph of this post is one of them, based on the field of anthropology. Here are some more:

We can make a simple statistical observation: There’s a very clear inverse relationship between how much we know about something and the role we’re willing to assign to god in it. Much of the history of the last 400 years can be seen as religion retreating from making empirical claims about the world in the face of the scientific revolution. In other words, the more we know, the less we attribute to supernatural causes. Any logical person faced with such a consistent trend wouldn’t hesitate to extrapolate and decide god most likely doesn’t exist.

The field of geology tells us the earth is clearly and definitely much older than the few thousand years permitted by the teachings of any religion I’ve ever been able to investigate.

From astronomy, I see that every religiously derived cosmology I’ve ever encountered is demonstrably wrong. And not just a little bit, but egregiously, stunningly wrong.

Jeez, I do get on a roll sometimes, don't I. Must be because it's Saturday and there's nothing else I have to do...

Dex
 

iARTthere4iam

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I was baptized Roman Catholic and went to catholic school allthe way through grade and high school. When it was time to be confirmed (grade 8?) i refused on the basis that i didn't believe god existed. I never have had any belief in all that. I am a 100% confirmed athiest, not an agnostic. It seem that people who aren't religious say that they are agnostic as if to try to keep an open mind, I think they like to believe that but if they were to br truly honest would have to admit the evidence is pretty weak. If I have a belief it is that god does not exist. I don't see that I am any less happy than any strong believer that i have ever met.
 

s_lone

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hollaback said:
It makes me really sad to think of the life that you are wasting, I feel really bad for you, becuase I know where you will go when you die, and unless you change your life it won't be where I am going. I don't understand why you are so adamant on your position. Why is it that you feel it stupid and impossible that something great can't exist?

Hollaback, I was baptized and raised a Roman Catholic and although I'm more of a believer than a non-believer, your comments disgust me and remind me why I rejected my "catholicity".

I'm not afraid of going to hell because I don't believe in eternal damnation. That idea was created by humans to control other humans with what is called FEAR. Eternal damnation just doen't fit the idea of a loving God if you ask me...

I tend to believe in a form of after-life, but who am I to say what it is exactly? I simply do not and cannot know.

I never understood why Christians are not able to unite under one church. The only true message of Jesus is about love and compassion. It's very sad and pathetic to see how Christians are divided today.

I embrace my Christian background for values such as love, compassion, tolerance and family. All the rest is dogmatic crap if you ask me. There's so much to learn from all religions if you can see through their own sterile dogmatism.
 

ol' dawg

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Jun 25, 2005
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Re: RE: What is your religion?

Kreskin said:
Where is the Kilkenny selection?

Hmmmm ... are you refering to a fine Irish Beer?

As in, everyone has to believe in something ... I believe I'll have a beer.

If thats the case, what about Erdinger?



I guess my sig indicates a preoccupation with beer. :cheers:

Is it time for some sacrament yet? :)
 

Kreskin

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ol' dawg said:
Kreskin said:
Where is the Kilkenny selection?

Hmmmm ... are you refering to a fine Irish Beer?

As in, everyone has to believe in something ... I believe I'll have a beer.

If thats the case, what about Erdinger?



I guess my sig indicates a preoccupation with beer. :cheers:

Is it time for some sacrament yet? :)

I been renewing my faith today. :wink: