Two tier health systems work well in France and Germany, so why not in Canada? It would certainly lessen the burden on our current system and reinstate procedures like physiotherapist, eyecare and dental care. Why must we be slaves to government?
What is wrong with a two tier health system?
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Support for a one-tier public system at least for the services that the government covers is not motivated by objective facts but rather by ideology.
OK, to be fair, many ideas are motivated by ideology. But there is a difference between an ideology motivated by what provides the best medical care for all and one aimed at providing the same quality of care for all.
Nothing wrong with a two tier health system, it's much better than what we have now, but it's the Lefties who do not want a two tier system.
As well, the health coverage should be based on the years you live in Canada and the yrs you are a Canadian citizen.
Right now an immigrant can come to Canada at, say, 55 yrs old, and get full coverage the day he becomes a citizen, and 10 yrs later he can be supported in a seniors home with all costs covered.
As well, the health coverage should be based on the years you live in Canada and the yrs you are a Canadian citizen.
Right now an immigrant can come to Canada at, say, 55 yrs old, and get full coverage the day he becomes a citizen, and 10 yrs later he can be supported in a seniors home with all costs covered.
I can't believe I'm going to agree with Durry on something here, bearing in mind I'm sure it's for totally different reasons. I agree that one reason most countries including Canada had open borders (with the exception of exclusion acts for undesirable ethnic groups) prior to WWI is that charity was mostly left to the private sector. With that, the Government did not need to worry so much about the cost of an immigrant. If was simple. If he couldn't support himself, he was sent back home.
Nowadays, the government accepts responsibility for so many matters that it now needs to consider the cost of immigration to the government and taxpayers. One solution I could see on the health-care front would simply be that a foreign national would legally be required to take out a private medical insurance plan before being allowed into Canada and would be required to maintain that plan for as long as he remains in Canada.
That said, it's only fair that a foreign national should then pay less in taxes since he does not get to benefit from the same range of services as someone born in Canada.
furthermore, if a foreign national has the option of buying private medical insurance and so pay less in taxes for medicare, then a Canadian national should be given the same choice. The only difference would be that the foreign national would have no choice in the matter.
White unifier......how much do you think an elderly person just arriving in Canada pays in taxes?
I don't know. I guess that would depend on whether he's still working and how much of a pension he's earning, wouldn't it?
Either way though, if he's paying high taxes but cannot benefit from public medicare and must legally buy his own private medical insurance, then logically it would only be fair to require him to not need to cover medicare in his taxes, right?
Durry.....good idea but our politicians are weak-kneed vote seekers that don't care about the people only for the votes.
I worked at a renal transplant clinic and had a man that looked 70 come in for a transplant and you just knew he just arrived to Canada from India. He spoke no English and his healthcard stated he was only 45. I asked his family member if his age on the card was correct and she told me that he's lived a hard life. What a load. That kidney could have gone to a Canadian that's been waiting for one.
Leftists are self destructive people looking for others to pay for their lifestyle.
I worked at a renal transplant clinic and had a man that looked 70 come in for a transplant and you just knew he just arrived to Canada from India. He spoke no English and his healthcard stated he was only 45. I asked his family member if his age on the card was correct and she told me that he's lived a hard life. What a load. That kidney could have gone to a Canadian that's been waiting for one.
Leftists are self destructive people looking for others to pay for their lifestyle.
White unifier.... old people just arriving to Canada won't work and pay zero taxes.
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Indians are the worst abusers of our health care system, they lie, cheat, give their health card to their families or friends etc etc
Absolute nonsense, an immigrant gets free roads, schools, police gov services etc etc, everything was built and paid for before he got here.
An immigrant coming to Canada had it MADE, it's like me coming to your house and unpacking my suitcase and then saying to you, "everything here now belongs to me as well, I only have to pay my share of utilities and taxes", !!
And by the way, make sure you cut the grass because I'm too useless and don't know how to use a lawnmower.. Sucks eh
Absolute nonsense, an immigrant gets free roads, schools, police gov services etc etc, everything was built and paid for before he got here.
An immigrant coming to Canada had it MADE, it's like me coming to your house and unpacking my suitcase and then saying to you, "everything here now belongs to me as well, I only have to pay my share of utilities and taxes", !!
And by the way, make sure you cut the grass because I'm too useless and don't know how to use a lawnmower.. Sucks eh
When a person moves from Montreal to Toronto, are you suggesting that the government of Montreal should transfer all his taxes to Toronto?If you consider that roads degrade over time and must always be rebuilt, most of our urban infrastructure is actually quite new.
You missed what immigrants don't have, namely housing, transport, household goods, clothing, etc. All of the everyday items Canadians already have must be acquired. As a result the impact of 300,000 or so immigrants on the economy is enormous. Immigrants don't take jobs, they create them.
Now I realize that you want to turn Canada into a North American version of Japan, but that is not going to happen. Immigration as a policy of the Canadian government is not going to be changed by a few bigots who can't adapt to a multicultural society.
I'm all for immigrants coming into Canada and I understand they are vital. What I'm not for is abuses of our system by people that don't live in Canada and only come here for their free healthcare and to receive a pension payed for by the Canadian taxpayer, these abuses are more common than you think.
It is a way to make the producers in the country to suffer equally with the non productive members of society. Excluding politicians of course. They get preferential treatment because they are impotent.
Reinstate dental care? When was dental care covered?
Most provinces require you to live there for 6 months to be covered.
And obviously, you did nothing to verify his identity? That's weird, because every time I go to the hospital even for blood tests they confirm date of birth, addresses, phone numbers, etc.
I gather that your clinic wasn't doing its proper due diligence. Maybe you're part of the problem.
I remember being covered as a child and teenager in the '70's and '80's.
I asked questions and brought it up with my manager. I did my part, the rest was up to the hospital.
So have immigrants. They've paid taxes to maintain them for the entire time they've used them.
Not at all. When they bring in their elderly parents from the old country to receive free healthcare and receive old age pensions.
They don't pay taxes? They have exemptions from property taxes and GST (among others)?