What is Thought ?

[POLEMICAL DIPLOMAT]

Newton

The nature of thought can be explained by a thought a certain man once had about three hundred years ago.

This man, happened to go by the name Sir Isaac Newton, and I'm referring to the law of action-reaction.

When two objects interact, they create equal and opposite forces on each other.

Thought is simply the mind's reaction to the material world and the material world is simply a reaction to the mind.

 

[selfactivated]

Ive come to believe thought is manifestation. The more positive I think the more positive my life. The thought process that proves my theory is the chemical imbalance that causes my circle thinking that is usually negative in nature and very difficult to break. As long as the thoughts are quick and negative so my world is bleak and depressing. Medications or a really well thought out positive thought can change the cycle. So, in my world Thought is manifestation. I manifest my world by my thoughts.

 

[Curiosity]

Self-Activated

You seem powerless against circular negative thoughts - but perhaps because they are more familiar to you and you know what to expect, you allow them to enter your conscious mind.

Positive thought with reinforcement action can break the circle - thus providing a comfort zone in positive - overiding the negative.

We all fall into thought patterns because they don't surprise us and catch us off guard - even those nasty old negative things we all know well - are allowed because we do know them and the autonomic reactions they bring.

We can control our thoughts, be selective in allowing new thoughts which also bring comfort - even the most simple of things. Use a trigger such as the earliest holding a newborn of yours to cuddle and rock and feel the joining of warmth enveloping both of you - the relaxation and slumber you share and the security of being loved. It is a powerful and positive thought to inject into what could be your series of negative and familiar thoughts - just switch the tracks and let your train follow into more productive memories and feelings. Positives can also become a habit - leading to other adventures in "new" thoughts.

When you first wake in the morning find a good thing to focus on - even if it is just your first morning coffee (tea or whatever you enjoy).... that silence and excitement of the day ahead can be your planning time and what you can do to give yourself a present - however simple - to reinforce you will have a good day - created by your own thoughts. Smile: just the act of smiling changes thought patterns.

 

[tamarin]

Thought is not what I thought; it's what I think. The leading accessory of a sentient life. Enjoy it!

 

[selfactivated]

Self-Activated

You seem powerless against circular negative thoughts - but perhaps because they are more familiar to you and you know what to expect, you allow them to enter your conscious mind.

Positive thought with reinforcement action can break the circle - thus providing a comfort zone in positive - overiding the negative.

We all fall into thought patterns because they don't surprise us and catch us off guard - even those nasty old negative things we all know well - are allowed because we do know them and the autonomic reactions they bring.

We can control our thoughts, be selective in allowing new thoughts which also bring comfort - even the most simple of things. Use a trigger such as the earliest holding a newborn of yours to cuddle and rock and feel the joining of warmth enveloping both of you - the relaxation and slumber you share and the security of being loved. It is a powerful and positive thought to inject into what could be your series of negative and familiar thoughts - just switch the tracks and let your train follow into more productive memories and feelings. Positives can also become a habit - leading to other adventures in "new" thoughts.

When you first wake in the morning find a good thing to focus on - even if it is just your first morning coffee (tea or whatever you enjoy).... that silence and excitement of the day ahead can be your planning time and what you can do to give yourself a present - however simple - to reinforce you will have a good day - created by your own thoughts. Smile: just the act of smiling changes thought patterns.

Id like for you to reread my post. Are you under the ideation that a mentally ill person has the power to heal themselves without medication? Like in scientology? Im just courious Im not powerless against anything......if I was Id be dead.

PS are you a Abraham-Hicks follower?

 

[Curiosity]

No Self Activated

I am advocate of any pharmaceutical therapy for mental illness. In fact the progress made in the last twenty years for treatment of those with diseases or dysfunctions of the mind is phenomenal and rather than warehouse people for their mis-wired brain they are now being led back into the world, medicated and fully functioning. It is a miracle.

I was talking about "thought" and how we can wake to a choice of thoughts.

Many early morning hours allow negativity to creep into our first thoughts because they are familiar ones.

I suggested merely thinking positive things about the day ahead.

This processing has nothing to do with brain chemistry - but seeks to make a change in your greeting each day until it becomes a more positive "habit"....

I think you read more into my post than I intended. It was a general statement intended for all people: those who have no need of psychopharmaceuticals and those who do.

Edit: Re Abraham-Hicks - I had to look up what you were asking. No - but I will read their work and her message.
From what I see - it is a simple rule to follow and works for many people - you can choose your pathways of thought.
Why we prefer to bring up negative rather than positive thoughts is still a mystery to me. Perhaps they are more
insistent when we are feeling less than strong.

 

[selfactivated]

This processing has nothing to do with brain chemistry - but seeks to make a change in your greeting each day until it becomes a more positive "habit"....

I beg to differ but thought proccess has everything to do brain chemistry.

 

[Curiosity]

SelfActivated

OK I see where you are coming from.

Thought to me is every day feedback from our immediate and past circumstances....

If a person has a mental imbalance sometimes the feedback may be skewed so that what is real to them may be more than it really is.....

I was thinking in terms of simple thought which is an autonomic response to our daily lives...... and of course mental disorder or dysfunction would change those thought processes but perhaps not...

You are coming from the place where chemistry allows your thought process to proceed in positive ways which would not necessarily be so - if you did not have some remedial medications.

I think we are saying the same things but one does not have to have chemical imbalance to have skewed thoughts and negative thoughts..... many people have them....just from experiental learning. I have only suggested actively pursuing positive thinking to lessen stress in our daily world.

 

[selfactivated]

Which works if your wiring is all good. Mines not LOL I work very very hard to just keep a positive thought. Thats why I play on this site. Yall make me think in a logical manner. OK MORE logical than Im used to. But in this subject Theres 2 facts I know. Spiritually our thoughts are manefestations. Physically our thoughts are chemical reactions. Have you ever seen "What the bleep?" Its like that. We have neoro pathways that create reactions from a single thought. Or look at fractals(sp) our thought changes molecules..........Your brilliant! Im gonna rewatch that tonight. Thank You

 

[Curiosity]

SelfActivated

OK girl - we have been on two separate trains travelling to the same city I guess. It is good you ask and disagree and find out what you wish to know. Some people never do or never bother finding out things which they either think are too boring or too hard to know.

I am a freak about asking questions.... don't always like the answers either.... but forums are a good way to get answers and toughen up too....we can't always see the whole world through our own eyes... but sometimes our own eyes don't see the whole picture either.

 

[selfactivated]

I agree. Its like looking at the same car from different perspectives. I see the front but you see the bumper sticker Theyre both apart of the same thing but we would discribe it differently. (I think that makes sense)

 

[Curiosity]

Self

Your words explain about the majority of people in our world - very few of us see the same things as others do.. we all have different input which makes up what we hear and see.

Which is a good thing I think.

 

[cortex]

You have all fallen into some fallicies.

fallacy one---thought is thought
correction--there different types of thought--human, mechanical, unconscious thought, creative thought, rational thought, the thought of machines---computers etc


fallacy two---one can elucidate thought by thinking about thought---
correction---what we as subjective individuals call thought is only the subjective ASPECT of a larger phenomena
---- to fully elucidate the nature of thought demands a multidisciplinary approach that must explain
the physical --ie neuronal basis of thought. ie to study the objective aspect of thought

prediction--we have had at least 2 thousand years of people contemplating the nature of thought without a totally satisfactory answer and we will not ever get any further in this manner----the neuroscience community will eventually solve this problem--though i believe its a long way off----in the same way that the biologists----not the philosophers solved the problem of what is the essence of living beings---ie the biochemical explanation that stands defiantly against all other interpretations----including the absurdity of intelligent design.

 

[china]

Polemic Advocat :
The nature of thought can be explained by a thought a certain man once had about three hundred years ago.
This man, happened to go by the name Sir Isaac Newton, and I'm referring to the law of action-reaction.
When two objects interact, they create equal and opposite forces on each other.
Thought is simply the mind's reaction to the material world and the material world is simply a reaction to the mind.
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OK , POLEMICAL ADVOCAT' I,m not as well educated as Newton ,but I,ll give it a try and show you my observations.
1- my brain thinks ,(always ),that's how I know I,m still alive
2 - I can think only about the past , past is all that I know .My "knowledge" is an acummulation of my studies/ experiences and it is situated in a place which we call "memory" ( not because of Newton but because of a common agreement among the English speaking population) . My studies /experiences are past , therfore the memory is past. There is nothing new in my memory, it's all past , Mr. Advocat.
3-Thought is a response of my memory ( it comes from my memory ,that's how I see it ,and I don' rely care what Newton might or might not said ).Without my memory I would not beable "think" ,perhaps Newton could , I don't know.
Polemical Advocat: Newton says ,
Thought is simply the mind's reaction to the material world and the material world is simply a reaction to the mind.

4- Agree , but to an extend that that which is not a creation of Nature is a creation of thought.
5- Obviously while sleeping and dreaming the thought is active without presence of the material world but with a full co-operation of your memory.
SO ,these are my observations .

 

[POLEMICAL DIPLOMAT]

Polemic Advocat :
The nature of thought can be explained by a thought a certain man once had about three hundred years ago.
This man, happened to go by the name Sir Isaac Newton, and I'm referring to the law of action-reaction.
When two objects interact, they create equal and opposite forces on each other.
Thought is simply the mind's reaction to the material world and the material world is simply a reaction to the mind.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________-__
OK , POLEMICAL ADVOCAT' I,m not as well educated as Newton ,but I,ll give it a try and show you my observations.
1- my brain thinks ,(always ),that's how I know I,m still alive
2 - I can think only about the past , past is all that I know .My "knowledge" is an acummulation of my studies/ experiences and it is situated in a place which we call "memory" ( not because of Newton but because of a common agreement among the English speaking population) . My studies /experiences are past , therfore the memory is past. There is nothing new in my memory, it's all past , Mr. Advocat.
3-Thought is a response of my memory ( it comes from my memory ,that's how I see it ,and I don' rely care what Newton might or might not said ).Without my memory I would not beable "think" ,perhaps Newton could , I don't know.
Polemical Advocat: Newton says ,
Thought is simply the mind's reaction to the material world and the material world is simply a reaction to the mind.

4- Agree , but to an extend that that which is not a creation of Nature is a creation of thought.
5- Obviously while sleeping and dreaming the thought is active without presence of the material world but with a full co-operation of your memory.
SO ,these are my observations .

Without the material world you would have no memories, and if for some reason you managed to be alive without a material world to live in or to ever have lived in, and you had a dream, the dream would be blank.

Therefore, your dreams, memories and all your thoughts are just reactions to the material world.

 

[china]

Therefore, your dreams, memories and all your thoughts are just reactions to the material world.

According to your observations could you please explain the reaction that occurrs between the thought and the material world.I'd be greatfull .

 

[POLEMICAL DIPLOMAT]

Therefore, your dreams, memories and all your thoughts are just reactions to the material world.

According to your observations could you please explain the reaction that occurrs between the thought and the material world.I'd be greatfull .

thought itself, is the reaction.

 

[china]

Polemical Diplomat :thought itself, is the reaction

What you are saying PD is that in order to think about something I have to be somehow in touch with that matter ? Eg. if I want to think about airplanes , I better take a ride to the airport and observe the aircraft , or just look up into the sky hoping one will fly by and then I can think about them ,right? I'm not to sure what to think about your observations regarding this matter of thinking, so I'd be happy if you could explain PD,if only a little.Thanks budy.

 

[boagie]

Hi everyone,

I have some thoughts that sound familar to some of those already stated but with a sightly different slant I think.It was stated that the mind is a reflection of the physical world and the physical world is a reflection of the mind,the sticky part for me is the inferance that there is a separation,that subject and object do not stand together.I came to the belief sometime ago that the mind is only partly incased in the cranium the rest is out there,certainly our minds are embraced in a world as is our entire existence.

Another thought was,the idea that thought is the soul property of humans and that we apparently are not multicellular beings.We are to consider ourselves in thinking about thought apparently not as a community but as utter individuals in the traditional sense.

It was stated as well that the mind is a reaction to the physical world and the physical world a reaction to the mind,I would like to venture,that it is all reaction.Perhaps someone might give me an example of what might be termed action or the unmoved mover.One must be moved within before one moves[reacts]without.

 

[L Gilbert]

We have never questioned the very nature of our thought. We have accepted thought as inevitable, as our eyes and legs. We have never probed to the very depth of thought, and because we have never questioned it, the thought has assumed preeminence.What is the nature of thought??

Crap. Who is "we"? Perhaps you've never researched thought, but that doesn't include the rest of the race.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thought-experiment/

http://liberalarts.iupui.edu/iat/Pages/ResearchCenter/RCOverview.htm