That's how I perceive that story as well Motar>
Still I always remember the stoning of Stephan by so called religious folks.
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Still I always remember the stoning of Stephan by so called religious folks.
That's how I perceive that story as well Motar>
Still I always remember the stoning of Stephan by so called religious folks.
I remember Stephen's Christ-like confession and conduct, LL : )
In particular the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15.
Isa:53:9:
And he made his grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death;
because he had done no violence,
neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isa:53:10:
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him;
he hath put him to grief:
when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,
he shall see his seed,
he shall prolong his days,
and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Da:9:24:
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
to finish the transgression,
and to make an end of sins,
and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
and to anoint the most Holy.
Agree, MHz. Jesus' mission was/is to rescue and to restore "whosoever". "Whoever has ears, let them hear." (Matthew 11:15; 13:9; 13:43; Mark 4:9; 14:23; Luke 8:8; 14:35; Revelation 2:7; 2:11; 2:17; 2:29; 3:6; 3:13; 3:22; 13:9) He has given the invitation clearly, thoroughly, globally and frequently during His incarnation, in His written revelation and through His witnesses.
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When it comes to the Muslim nation there are two of them like the Gemini twins.
The faith is full of contradictions as all rank and file religions are. Fundamentalist
Moderates and their hybrids.
Muslims have their nose stuck in ancient text like all the rest and people don't think
they just believe. The prophets spoke in symbols the faithful take as literal and miss
the entire point.
The whole religious experience is a waste of time no matter who's faith is being
professed. It is time people got with the world around them like the prophets were
proclaiming. Here is an example.
The loaves and fishes story was not about taking a few loaves of bread and some fish
and feeding five thousand it was a lesson in teaching people how to share what they had
so all could eat.
Another was the Good Samaritan the miracle wasn't the helping of the enemy he assisted
the actual miracle in my view was there was a good Samaritan the enemy
Besides God didn't really have any favorites he wanted people to get along.
All this babble about the chosen groups is divisive nonsense and no biblical or Holy Book
will suffice with a quote
The faith is full of contradictions as all rank and file religions are. Fundamentalist
Moderates and their hybrids.
Muslims have their nose stuck in ancient text like all the rest and people don't think
they just believe. The prophets spoke in symbols the faithful take as literal and miss
the entire point.
The whole religious experience is a waste of time no matter who's faith is being
professed. It is time people got with the world around them like the prophets were
proclaiming. Here is an example.
The loaves and fishes story was not about taking a few loaves of bread and some fish
and feeding five thousand it was a lesson in teaching people how to share what they had
so all could eat.
Another was the Good Samaritan the miracle wasn't the helping of the enemy he assisted
the actual miracle in my view was there was a good Samaritan the enemy
Besides God didn't really have any favorites he wanted people to get along.
All this babble about the chosen groups is divisive nonsense and no biblical or Holy Book
will suffice with a quote
Really?? The reference below seems to be quite straight forward except for dating when it happens. Dreams are symbolic, the explanation is literal, there are several examples if this one doesn't convince you.
De:4:26-31:
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,
that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it;
ye shall not prolong your days upon it,
but shall utterly be destroyed.
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations,
and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,
whither the LORD shall lead you.
And there ye shall serve gods,
the work of men's hands,
wood and stone,
which neither see,
nor hear,
nor eat,
nor smell.
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
Da:2:36-45:
This is the dream;
and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
Thou,
O king,
art a king of kings:
for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom,
power,
and strength,
and glory.
And wheresoever the children of men dwell,
the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand,
and hath made thee ruler over them all.
Thou art this head of gold.
And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee,
and another third kingdom of brass,
which shall bear rule over all the earth.
And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron:
forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things:
and as iron that breaketh all these,
shall it break in pieces and bruise.
And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes,
part of potters' clay,
and part of iron,
the kingdom shall be divided;
but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron,
forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
And as the toes of the feet were part of iron,
and part of clay,
so the kingdom shall be partly strong,
and partly broken.
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay,
they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men:
but they shall not cleave one to another,
even as iron is not mixed with clay.
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom,
which shall never be destroyed:
and the kingdom shall not be left to other people,
but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms,
and it shall stand for ever.
Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands,
and that it brake in pieces the iron,
the brass,
the clay,
the silver,
and the gold;
the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter:
and the dream is certain,
and the interpretation thereof sure.
The Roman Empire crucified and burned people to death and fed some to wild animals for entertainment, LL. On a grand scale, Nazi Germany gassed and incinerated people. Atrocious hatred and murder is not the exclusive realm of religion, but the inheritance of Adam's seed.
"And Saul approved of their killing him." (Acts 8:1 NIV)
"Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, 'Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?' 'Who are you, Lord?' Saul asked. 'I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,' he replied. 'Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do." (Acts 9:1-6 NIV)
Both Stephen and Saul of Tarsus (apostle Paul) were first century messianic Jews when they were martyred, LL.
"After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, 'Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.' At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne. Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads." (Revelation 4:1-4 NIV)
Who are the twenty-four elders above? What do these have to do with Messianic Judaism?
Who are the twenty-four elders above? What do these have to do with Messianic Judaism?
The short version is they are the OT Saints that were resurrected on the same morning as Jesus. They would have ascended to the Temple from Re:4 and they stayed there while Jesus cam back for 40 days.. They will be the 'shepherds' to the group that is alive for the 1,000 years as they purify the ones there so they are spared from the fire that sends sinfull beings that have a glorified body and know about good and evil. That whole group will be 'shepherds' after Judgement Day and they will help the 'flock' so they will also get a glorified body and heart.
The 4 Beasts around the throne in the temple would be the ones that glorified God and the Holy Ghost so they could have a child that was born glorified rather than having to chase it down through time.
The 4 Beasts around the throne in the temple would be the ones that glorified God and the Holy Ghost so they could have a child that was born glorified rather than having to chase it down through time.
