What gives with someone like Michael Vick?
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I've had my perspective on the relationship that exists between the "domestic" behavior of societies and the "broader" "necessities" and exercise of national policies in the larger sphere of human interaction dismissed before. Not a suprise.
We'll embrace the systems of laws as a "society" and punish those who break those laws, but are just as equally prepared to equivocate and minimize those laws for the wealthy. We will announce ourselves as a society subscribing to the rule of law but will forego subscription to that rule of law when it comes to international issues.
I don't expect people to come to agreement and/or consensus on issues like this and that's both a curse and a blessing.
We have conditional and relative scales of morality when it comes to many issues. We exercise this conditional and situational ethics and morality on the basis of how much we stand to "gain". If the cost of a gallon of gasoline is two or three billion dollars a month...that's OK but if we suggest that the cost of a gallon of gasoline is twelve pints of blood.....
When we observe human behavior we're prepared to make judgments and declare our perspectives on morality both as subjective and objective notions and provide an enormous lattitude for the wealthy in some circumstances but when they do something like organize dog-fights we raise a ruckus....
It's OK for the consumer to purchase billions of dollars of pornography and unacceptable that children are killed in gun battles on our city streets between rival gangs that find their income from distributing drugs to a willing consumer....
Provisional and situational...... It's OK for 45 million people to have no health care or be unable to afford health care while TV bombards the idiot with trinkets and nonesense that we all flock to buy....
There's something absolutely basically wrong with the human synthesis of what constitutes right and wrong and what may or may not be the foundations of moral behavior.
We keep running into these issues and rarely if ever resolving them from one generation to the next, and a significant contributing factor in this three-ring-circus is the availability human beings have and demonstrate to forego even those concepts and ideas they have about what's right and what's wrong in situations that don't "fit" nicely into some discrete pigeonhole.
We can all "feel good" by dumping on pornographers but bull fights are OK...we can dress our children up like little street-walkers (Jon Benet Ramsey) but wail and moan about prostitution on our streets....
I've had my perspective on the relationship that exists between the "domestic" behavior of societies and the "broader" "necessities" and exercise of national policies in the larger sphere of human interaction dismissed before. Not a suprise.
We'll embrace the systems of laws as a "society" and punish those who break those laws, but are just as equally prepared to equivocate and minimize those laws for the wealthy. We will announce ourselves as a society subscribing to the rule of law but will forego subscription to that rule of law when it comes to international issues.
I don't expect people to come to agreement and/or consensus on issues like this and that's both a curse and a blessing.
We have conditional and relative scales of morality when it comes to many issues. We exercise this conditional and situational ethics and morality on the basis of how much we stand to "gain". If the cost of a gallon of gasoline is two or three billion dollars a month...that's OK but if we suggest that the cost of a gallon of gasoline is twelve pints of blood.....
When we observe human behavior we're prepared to make judgments and declare our perspectives on morality both as subjective and objective notions and provide an enormous lattitude for the wealthy in some circumstances but when they do something like organize dog-fights we raise a ruckus....
It's OK for the consumer to purchase billions of dollars of pornography and unacceptable that children are killed in gun battles on our city streets between rival gangs that find their income from distributing drugs to a willing consumer....
Provisional and situational...... It's OK for 45 million people to have no health care or be unable to afford health care while TV bombards the idiot with trinkets and nonesense that we all flock to buy....
There's something absolutely basically wrong with the human synthesis of what constitutes right and wrong and what may or may not be the foundations of moral behavior.
We keep running into these issues and rarely if ever resolving them from one generation to the next, and a significant contributing factor in this three-ring-circus is the availability human beings have and demonstrate to forego even those concepts and ideas they have about what's right and what's wrong in situations that don't "fit" nicely into some discrete pigeonhole.
We can all "feel good" by dumping on pornographers but bull fights are OK...we can dress our children up like little street-walkers (Jon Benet Ramsey) but wail and moan about prostitution on our streets....
All true. To a point Mike. Corruption can be found in anything people put a hand to. But this is not to say that all things are corrupt. You can't an extreme and claim it to be the norm. A few people simply torture animals. This doesn't mean that all people torture all animals. Some animals wouldn't exist at all if not for people. Dogs and Cats for example. You can say they are just like wolves but those who know understand they are very different creatures.
I understand the point that we as a species, don't do very well when it comes to fitting in with the rest of the planet and it's inhabitants. But this doesn't mean that there aren't people who do. I would suggest that it's the majority who will, given the chance and the means to.
Horse racing is a good example though. Like Olympic athletes, horses too are drug tested. They have to be clean going into the race or they get scratched. This isn't to say that drugs aren't used on horses for of course they are. But that when a horse lines up to race, it's system is clean.
But like a professional, they go through a rigorous training and nutrient program with every little advantage taken to enhance their performance.
Your typical thoroughbred isn't a horse that would naturally occur.
As it happens, my brother is the manager of a thoroughbred horse farm out on the west coast. They hay they grow is carefully considered, tended and harvested right on the farm to ensure that it is exactly what they need for the horses. And so that they know exactly what it is that is going into the horse.
It costs about $90,000 to get a mare bred with a champion stud there. Once the foal is born it runs around on the farm for two years before it does anything. All that running around costs about $200,000 to get the foal to the point where it can start training to race. It's huge money involved here. But my brother doesn't make huge money. Granted he's comfortable and all but he doesn't do that because he is raking in cash or that he's some corrupt nut who likes to hurt horses.
For that matter, there used to be a show on tv called Black Beauty with Micky Rooney some time ago. In scouting out locations to shoot the show, they happened across the farm. A Mercedes pulls up the road and they ask my brother where the owner was and explained a little about what they wanted.
He told them, they would be allowed to here, and they smiled and nodded and gave him the "we got the cash" look and off they went up to the house. About a minute and a half later they drove off the farm never to return. It was a pretty short conversation. Simply because, the commotion of such a thing would bother the horses.
Another fellow in a hot air balloon landed his rig on a field with a couple of horses in it and spooked them. After the owner and my brother got the horses out of the pasture and into the stable, the owner drove the tractor out to where the guy and his deflating balloon were waiting for the pick up team.
I guess the guy said something like it looked like a good spot to set down. The owner drove the tractor with some blade attachment on the back over the balloon ripping it to shreds. And told the guy never ever come back here again.
My brother does what he does because he is really very good at it. He's got that gift some people have that he can connect with horses and they get to understand each other. I'm telling you you would have your hands full if you harmed a horse with him around.
So while there are people who wouldn't think twice about pumping some shyte into a horse for one run and dumping what's left for dog food and glue, it's not the normal method of those who are involved in the sport.
And for those who go to the track to bet on a horse, I doubt more than a few would ever relish in the thought of a horse being injured and having to be killed.
Unforgiven
Praise for your brother!
We are a conflicted species my friend. When is the judgment made that a number of subscribers to Playboy Pentouse and Hustler aren't the "majority"? Is there a "dollar" component involved?
I've worked with youngsters who were placed on horse ranches and had the delight of watching loving people care for horses so I agree that this component of how we regard and treat animals is alive and well and that this behavior hopefully out-numbers the dog-fight, the bull-fight, the bear-baiting, the mongoose vs. the cobra, the cock fight the long and sordid legacy of how many many societies and people are prepared to celebrate the suffering and torture of animals.
Do you think anyone will close Sea World? Do you think anyone will stop maltreatment of wild animals by circusses and money-making schemes that profit at the suffering of animals?
As long as the possibility exists that some human can turn a dollar, everything is up for grabs.
Praise for your brother!
We are a conflicted species my friend. When is the judgment made that a number of subscribers to Playboy Pentouse and Hustler aren't the "majority"? Is there a "dollar" component involved?
I've worked with youngsters who were placed on horse ranches and had the delight of watching loving people care for horses so I agree that this component of how we regard and treat animals is alive and well and that this behavior hopefully out-numbers the dog-fight, the bull-fight, the bear-baiting, the mongoose vs. the cobra, the cock fight the long and sordid legacy of how many many societies and people are prepared to celebrate the suffering and torture of animals.
Do you think anyone will close Sea World? Do you think anyone will stop maltreatment of wild animals by circusses and money-making schemes that profit at the suffering of animals?
As long as the possibility exists that some human can turn a dollar, everything is up for grabs.
True say, true say. But we can't judge ourselves on only the worst of us. The cost of standing up is falling down. And so we are infact as you say a conflicted species. But there is hope I suppose.
Now how about you and I declaring total war on the shyte heads who are bringing the whole damn thing down?
Now how about you and I declaring total war on the shyte heads who are bringing the whole damn thing down?