What can the left an right agree on?

Ocean Breeze

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no intention of treating this question lightly......but one area that comes to mind is "pets" and animals. Would like to think that both sides .....even extremists, share the wisdom of kindness to pets and animals. One could expand that to humanitarian agencies. Organizations like MADD.........(against drinking and driving ) would be another where both "sides" could agree on.
 

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1. The elderly are often overlooked and lonely, and volunteering at a nursing home would be a welcome gift of your time.
2. Sometimes what you are thinking is better left unsaid.
3. We are growing tired of being told what we should eat, how we should exercise, how long we should sleep, and what we should wear.
4. There is a big too much emphasis on physical appearance in today' society.
5. There is nothing left that doesn't cause cancer.

Bull Dog.
 

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no intention of treating this question lightly......but one area that comes to mind is "pets" and animals. Would like to think that both sides .....even extremists, share the wisdom of kindness to pets and animals. One could expand that to humanitarian agencies.

And yet the right has become entrenched against animal rights initiatives. They have even voted against laws that would ban puppy mills. Now I don't think for a minute that they torture kittens for sport (except for Stephen Harper ;-)), but there is little common ground even when it comes to something as simple as that.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Reverend Blair said:
no intention of treating this question lightly......but one area that comes to mind is "pets" and animals. Would like to think that both sides .....even extremists, share the wisdom of kindness to pets and animals. One could expand that to humanitarian agencies.

And yet the right has become entrenched against animal rights initiatives. They have even voted against laws that would ban puppy mills. Now I don't think for a minute that they torture kittens for sport (except for Stephen Harper ;-)), but there is little common ground even when it comes to something as simple as that.


sadly, you are right. When simple things like that can't be agreed upon......how can anyone expect larger issues to reach common ground. ??? :(
 

Machjo

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Good points, y'all. As I continue the brainstorm, what about the pregnant mother's right to keep her child? I'm sure most would agree that a pregnant woman who wants to keep her baby ought to be free to make that decision, so maybe helping those mothers could be common ground? God forbid the government ought to get invovled though. Some on the right would argue that the money must come from voluntary contributions.

But hey, any common ground is a start, no?
 

Aitrus

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You aren't going to find much common ground for the reason that they are two fundamentally opposed philosophies on how things ought to be done.

They no doubt agree on the ultimate end - a prosperous, healthy, happy country. But on all of the means to that end they are almost destined to have opposing prescriptions.

One common ground is anarchy. That's where extreme right and extreme left comingle.

The leftists see power as abusive and coercion as wrong, and people as generally good and able to organize themselves into syndicalist communes. The right sees government as overbearing and restricting freedom, as well as coddling citizens into whiney crybabies. They'd rather see everyone fend for themselves and the world run on free markets.

They can both agree that government is a problem and not a solution.

Not that that helps much.

I mean you can even take seemingly simple issues like crime. You'd think both sides could agree that there should be strong penalties for drunk driving. Not so. While the right might endorse stiff punishment, the left is unconvinced that prison serves much use in these cases and would be more in favour of a widened prevention program.

Child pornography - the left will worry about artistic rights and freedoms while the right will mount an all-out assault irrespective of such rights.

Veterans issues - I think this is an area where they might actually be in agreement. Both sides share respect for the sacrifices of our soldiers and want to see them taken care of by the society they fought to protect. They might differ on what that "care" should conssit of though.

Decentralization - in theory both sides should be for keeping power at the lowest levels possible, where it is close to the people who are effected by it. This would mean municipal and provincial empowerment. However, this has not actually happened yet so who knows.
 

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"Child pornography - the left will worry about artistic rights and freedoms while the right will mount an all-out assault irrespective of such rights. "

What a load of crap!!!!! just like a right wing neo con. :roll: :roll:
How dare you say that lefties are for child pornography. So typical of these people to use such a horrible issue to some kind of gain or statement. Its pathetic!
 

Machjo

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Aitrus said:
I mean you can even take seemingly simple issues like crime. You'd think both sides could agree that there should be strong penalties for drunk driving. Not so. While the right might endorse stiff punishment, the left is unconvinced that prison serves much use in these cases and would be more in favour of a widened prevention program.

I'd suspect the right would be in favour of prevention programs too, no? Or am I wrong here?
 

Aitrus

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To peapod:

If you don't think the left are the ones flagging artistic rights issues with respect to child porn laws you're sadly mistaken. You can take a child porn law too far, to the extent that you can't even use a naked kid in a diaper commercial, that's what the left is trying to constrain. Kneejerkers like yourself just make it harder for them to make that case.

To Machjo: Traditionally the right is less interested in prevention and reconciliation and more interested in punishment and deterrence. It's not right wingers who come up with the programs to give drug addicts drugs and needles, it's the left. The right would say, we need to treat drunk driving deaths as 1st degree murder, the left would say no, what we need is stricter control of alcohol or better public education.
 

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To peapod:

If you don't think the left are the ones flagging artistic rights issues with respect to child porn laws you're sadly mistaken. You can take a child porn law too far, to the extent that you can't even use a naked kid in a diaper commercial, that's what the left is trying to constrain. Kneejerkers like yourself just make it harder for them to make that case.


More crap! naked kid in a diaper commercial 8O :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Haggis McBagpipe

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peapod said:
More crap! naked kid in a diaper commercial 8O :roll: :roll: :roll:

Not crap, Pea! Apparently in Amarillo there were complaints by a 'concerned public' over a billboard that showed a naked baby bottom. People can get into a dither over the damndest things.
 

Ocean Breeze

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why don't the collective "we" just face it. The extreme "right" and the extreme "left" don't agree on anything. Maybe that is the only thing they agree on. ( agree that they don't agree) So the divisiveness /antagonisim will go on. All one can do is maintain as central a position as one can. (objective) and see the flaws in both extremes.
 

Haggis McBagpipe

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peapod said:
Texas :? Yes I see, but could you show me where the "left" were the ones complaining about it.

The left didn't complain about it, and I don't think that is what Aitrus meant. He said, "you can't even use a naked kid in a diaper commercial, that's what the left is trying to constrain" by which I take it he means the left is trying to stop the kind of right-wing reaction to child-porn that results in banning diaper ads.

Who knows, maybe I read his words wrong, maybe you did, but based on the context, I still think he meant that the left tries to stop such over-reaction by the right to things like naked baby bums.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Re: RE: What can the left an right agree on?

Aitrus said:
The middle, "centrists":

aka the wishy-washy spineless position taken by those too cowardly to have a commitment to any ideology or ethos.

The only thing worse than a yahoo extremist, is the pontificating of "centrists".

wrong. :!: It takes a lot more courage to remain central or neutral/objective when all about you are promoting their own ideologies. with a fanatical flare.
 

Aitrus

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Harder to stand for nothing than to stand for something?

I don't think so.

But beyond being antagonistic, my point was that the center is not some holy ground upon which the righteous and stalwart walk. In my opinion the "center" is for those who can't commit or don't care to think about things. You wander aimlessly unsure of whether you have faith in markets or don't, whether you think humans should be coddled or not, in general what the underlying theme is to a prosperous human existence.


Edit: oh and Haggis understand exactly what I mean. I don't see how you could read it any other way personally, the right will clamp down on child porn with draconian measures, the left will try and block the extreme of those measures to secure civil liberties. The diaper example is what happens if the right goes as far as it wants to, you could think up any number of things that could become unacceptable under right-wing anti-child-porn law that would infringe on artistic freedoms.
 

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Child pornography - the left will worry about artistic rights and freedom.

That is what he said....do not lump artistic rights and freedom in with child pornography...that is crap!