You can tend to think you're right all you want...but you are wrong. :lol:
What Are the Consequences of Obama Failing?
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You can tend to think you're right all you want...but you are wrong. :lol:
EagleSmack, I didn’t think the day would ever come when I would agree with Joan of Ark about anything, but even she evidently finds the conduct of rent a mob, the far right yahoos disgusting.
But of course they are her own yahoos, she has to be nice, civil to them, they are the ones who are going to win her the nomination in 2012. So she put it in a nice language. She said (on her blog) that the yelling, shouting only helps the other side, that her side should engage in rational constructive dialog.
Not that she is in any position to talk. She and her ‘death panels’ and other scary, fictional talk about the health care proposal. According to CNN, other Republican governors distanced themselves from such talk. They either refused to comment or said that she is capable of speaking for herself.
She did not get any support, she was isolated. So then she had a revelation all of a sudden that rational, constructive dialog is good for her side. But then, hypocrisy never bothers conservatives, I don’t think they even understand the concept.
Anyway, when even somebody as extreme, as partisan as Joan of Ark finds the behavior of such hate mongers, such yahoos as being over the top, that says a lot about the rent a mob.
And recent Town Hall meetings suggest that the other side, pro reform side is beginning to fight back, beginning to challenge the hate mongers.
But of course they are her own yahoos, she has to be nice, civil to them, they are the ones who are going to win her the nomination in 2012. So she put it in a nice language. She said (on her blog) that the yelling, shouting only helps the other side, that her side should engage in rational constructive dialog.
Not that she is in any position to talk. She and her ‘death panels’ and other scary, fictional talk about the health care proposal. According to CNN, other Republican governors distanced themselves from such talk. They either refused to comment or said that she is capable of speaking for herself.
She did not get any support, she was isolated. So then she had a revelation all of a sudden that rational, constructive dialog is good for her side. But then, hypocrisy never bothers conservatives, I don’t think they even understand the concept.
Anyway, when even somebody as extreme, as partisan as Joan of Ark finds the behavior of such hate mongers, such yahoos as being over the top, that says a lot about the rent a mob.
And recent Town Hall meetings suggest that the other side, pro reform side is beginning to fight back, beginning to challenge the hate mongers.
We have town hall meetings in Canada as well. I've been to many. No politician pays for them. Joey has his head up his rear as usual.
''Only time will tell if Obama was able to avert the impending disaster of the Carter/Clinton mess or instead, created the worst crash in the history of the world.:razz:
Oh, and PS, nice to be back on topic, Gopher!:lol: ''
You must have said that with tongue in cheek because it is more properly called the Reagan/Bush I/Bush II mess.
Oh, and PS, nice to be back on topic, Gopher!:lol: ''
You must have said that with tongue in cheek because it is more properly called the Reagan/Bush I/Bush II mess.
Obama and gang are ramming this health system down our throats so to speak. How about they give up the system they have and join us in a truly national health system if what they are proposing is so good. What else can the people do at these meetings when you know the Democrats will not be dissuaded from their quest no matter what is said. Listen to what they are saying or trying to say. "we will have a new health system by September", then it was end of year. Either way according to them we will have a new health system. There is no choice there, it is "Big Brother" again raising his ugly head and knows best. Do we sit quietly at these meetings and when they are over say thank you and go home to argue about it. We are not used to goverment running our lives so closely.
Ironsides, if Democrats have even half a brain, they will pass some kind of health care reform, however modest. After all this discussion, bitterness, ill feeling, not to pass anything will be the quickest way to cut their own throat.
And they have the votes. If Republicans refuse to cooperate, they should reach a compromise with the conservative Democrats and pass something. Something that they will be able to take to the voters and say ‘we did it’. And I expect at least a handful of Republicans will very likely support them (senators form Maine, for instance).
If they don’t, they may be looking at 1994 all over again. And Republicans are aware of it, that is precisely why they incited rent a mob to trash the Town Hall meetings.
Such an opportunity arises perhaps once a century. Democrats would be stupid to let it go to waste.
And they have the votes. If Republicans refuse to cooperate, they should reach a compromise with the conservative Democrats and pass something. Something that they will be able to take to the voters and say ‘we did it’. And I expect at least a handful of Republicans will very likely support them (senators form Maine, for instance).
If they don’t, they may be looking at 1994 all over again. And Republicans are aware of it, that is precisely why they incited rent a mob to trash the Town Hall meetings.
Such an opportunity arises perhaps once a century. Democrats would be stupid to let it go to waste.
Got a link that says they are paying these millions of people to speak out?
O'Bama is the inciter. Too easy Eaglesmack; like shooting fish in a barrel. Roo won't like the article; too right-wing.
Shut Up, America!
By Peter Ferrara on 8.12.09
Last week, at a Democrat party fundraiser in McLean, Virginia, President Barack Obama gave his answer to the thousands of Americans showing up at town halls and protests all over America questioning his proposed federal takeover of health care. Obama said,
"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to just get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking."
Obama here was talking about Republicans and conservatives who he holds responsible for the economic downturn. He doesn't want to hear from them whether about health care reform or economic policy more generally. He just wants them to shut up and get out of the way of his glorious left wing revolution.
While campaigning last year, Obama was singing a different tune. Then he promised voters he was going to bring a new era of bipartisanship to Washington. Now he tells us he doesn't want to hear from Republicans who created the mess. And he will not change one component of any of his initiatives to garner any Republican votes in Congress. Many American voters were misled by this deceptive campaign rhetoric.
Obama takes no responsibility for his time served in the U.S. Senate since 2004. He wants us to forget that while serving there he opposed every Bush budget because it did not spend enough. He wants us to forget that as a Senator he joined with Barney Frank to successfully oppose the Bush reforms to clean up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which did so much to cause the financial crisis. In the Congress, he joined with Frank and other ultraliberals who, along with long-time Obama ally ACORN, had long pushed Fannie, Freddie, and the nation's banks to break down traditional mortgage lending standards, and grant mortgages to so many who ultimately failed to pay them back.
Now Obama is sending messages from his White House and Democrat party to unions and other left-wing allies to "punch back twice as hard" at Americans at town halls questioning his Big Government takeover of health care. And answering this call, union thugs from SEIU, one of the most left-wing unions in America, have already shown up at these events and started beating up on Americans raising questions there.
At a town hall in St. Louis sponsored by Democrat Congressman Russ Carnahan, SEIU thugs beat up a black conservative selling political pins and bumper stickers, sending him to the emergency room. Six were arrested. In Tampa, SEIU plants packed half the hall, leaving hundreds of local constituents outside in the hallway. Union thugs then flooded the hallway, ripping one constituent's shirt off and pushing him up against a wall, leaving him with a cut in his chest. In Hillsborough County, Florida, a Democrat party leader slapped a constituent in the face.
In calling out these thugs, and saying he doesn't want to hear from Americans who disagree with him, Barack Obama is not acting or sounding presidential. FDR and John Kennedy and Bill Clinton never told any portion of the American people he didn't want to hear from them. Rather, Obama is sounding and acting more like his at least sometime ally, Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez. How dangerously close are we getting now to that kind of authoritarianism, with the Great Leader now calling out his brown shirts? What's next? Seizing radio stations that air dissenting views?
I did not say that they paid them, EagleSmack, I said that they incited them. And that is my opinion; I don’t have a website for it.
I looked up this Peter Ferrara character. He is a right wing extremist, a wingnut, a regular contributor to American Spectator, a right wing publication.
He wrote an article supporting the privatizing of Social security. Can anyone imagine what would have happened if Social Security had been privatized (as Bush tried, with the egging on by the likes of Peter Ferrara) and people had invested their money in stock markets just before the current meltdown started? S & P plunged from 1500 to 750.
If USA had listened to this worthy (Bush did), most people would have lost their life savings which they had put aside for retirement, and people probably would be dying of hunger today. If you had 100,000 $ retirement money, you invested in the stock market and had only 50,00 $ left in a few months, what are you going to do?
This Peter Ferrara is a character of such a caliber, I wouldn’t’ believe anything he said.
He wrote an article supporting the privatizing of Social security. Can anyone imagine what would have happened if Social Security had been privatized (as Bush tried, with the egging on by the likes of Peter Ferrara) and people had invested their money in stock markets just before the current meltdown started? S & P plunged from 1500 to 750.
If USA had listened to this worthy (Bush did), most people would have lost their life savings which they had put aside for retirement, and people probably would be dying of hunger today. If you had 100,000 $ retirement money, you invested in the stock market and had only 50,00 $ left in a few months, what are you going to do?
This Peter Ferrara is a character of such a caliber, I wouldn’t’ believe anything he said.
There is one area where the US is at a disadvantage. Canada has not spent such a large portion of its budget on the military since soon after WWII. This gave us at least some wiggle room taxwise, revenue-wise, and spending-wise, to establish a national health-care system.
Perhaps the Dremocrats have it backwards. Before creating a national healthcare system, it might be necessary first to reduce military spending and reduce government debt, so as to allow for that wiggleroom necessary to even begin to talk about such a ssytem.
Perhaps the Dremocrats have it backwards. Before creating a national healthcare system, it might be necessary first to reduce military spending and reduce government debt, so as to allow for that wiggleroom necessary to even begin to talk about such a ssytem.
These are the Obama haters one talks about, Obama forgot to address their concerns.
Frustrated older Americans are packing the town halls on health care. They are incredibly passionate about their Medicare benefits. Polls show senior citizens largely disapprove of health care reform ideas so far.
And of course, they vote — in larger numbers than any other demographic.
But so far, Democrats have focused much of their health care sales pitch on middle-class Americans and the uninsured — a slight that has been noticed by senior citizens, who hold great influence with members of Congress.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090812/pl_politico/26027
The Democrats will have to get some sort of plan thru, but one mistake on their part and we have new senators in 2010 and a new President in 2012. :angry7:
But you have called them "rent a mob" a number of times. If you are going to "rent" something there has to be some sort of transaction.
Once again...you failed.
I would like to feed your words back to you once again and watch you dance for me.
Open wide Joey!
Re: United States Health Care Reform
I think “rent a mob” is a newly-coined idiomatic expression, EagleSmack—it’s just a term to demonstrate how very disingenuous these droves of partisans are. I think that it’s been proven elsewhere on the board that a good number of the participants at these meetings are dishonest—I have to wonder why would you want to support dishonesty for the purpose of shutting down proper discussion of United States health care reform.
I think “rent a mob” is a newly-coined idiomatic expression, EagleSmack—it’s just a term to demonstrate how very disingenuous these droves of partisans are. I think that it’s been proven elsewhere on the board that a good number of the participants at these meetings are dishonest—I have to wonder why would you want to support dishonesty for the purpose of shutting down proper discussion of United States health care reform.
You are right about military spending, USA has the huge military industrial complex. It spends enormous amount son military, more than any other nation in the world. It could certainly do with a bit of trimming.
And you may be right about reducing debt and deficit first. The problems is (as I said in my previous post), such an opportunity comes perhaps once a century. Democrats have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, comfortable majority in the House, the presidency. This is as good as it gets, it is downhill from here.
Even if everything goes Democrats’ way, if economy is roaring ahead come November 2012, with low unemployment, Democrats will still suffer modest losses in the mid term election. Indeed, if Democrats keep their losses to 3 or 4 seats in the Senate and perhaps 10 to 15 seats in the House, that will be considered a huge success.
So they won’t get this kind of majority again for perhaps another 100 years. Now is the time to do something, put the majority to good use. If they feel that strongly about health care reform, they must do it, and can chance the consequences. What good is a majority if oyu are not going to use it to enact your agenda?
If you look at it that way then, shouldn't now be the time for Obama to get on the world's good side, try to get other countries helping out in Afghanistan, and start slashing military spending like hell?
Because until that is done, the US does not have the fiscal wiggleroom that other developed countries have to improve its social infrastructure. Their economy is quite cash-strapped to say the least.
Because until that is done, the US does not have the fiscal wiggleroom that other developed countries have to improve its social infrastructure. Their economy is quite cash-strapped to say the least.
Rent does not necessarily mean money, EagleSmack. Republicans offer them payment of another kind. They convince rent a mob that Obama is converting USA into another USSR, another China, another North Korea, another Zimbabwe.
The yahoos, the rent a mob, which has managed to trash almost each and every Town Hall meeting is convinced that they are doing God’s work, they are racking up brownie points in Heaven for themselves. Did you hear that yahoo in Senator Specter’s meeting, telling Specter that God is going to strike him down for all his sins (or something like that)? No doubt some of them think that they are doing God’s work when they disrupt the Town hall meetings and that is payment enough for them.
Others probably think that they are preventing USA from becoming another North Korea, another Iran (most of them think Obama is a Muslim terrorist), another USSR. And that is payment enough for them.
Payment doesn’t’ necessarily have to be in the form of money. Rent a mob has other incentives to disrupt, trash the Town Hall meetings.
Actually, though the US is far more militarist and socially-conservative than Canada and many European countries, we can't deny that fiscally it is far more liberal than either Canada or any other European country. On the cultural front, it's more debatable. The US could be considered more libertarian on that front, though less so than recently.
There you go again, Machjo. I don’t’ think USA is ‘liberal’ about anything. It is a slur on liberalism to say that liberalism involve spending money like a drunken sailor. Show me a definition of liberalism which says that it is OK to rack up huge debt, huge deficit. I don’t think one exists.
I refuse to believe that Reagan, Bush, second Bush, Mulroney etc. were liberals. And if you say that Reagan was a liberal, the far right Republican base would lynch you, to them Reagan is a demigod, only a step below Jesus.