What Are the Consequences of Obama Failing?

[SirJosephPorter]

Bush Sr. went into Kuwait to liberate it from the invaders. And he also invaded Iraq, but didn't take the whole country because the UN said to stop.

Extrafire, Bush Sr. went into Iraq to the extent that it was necessary to liberate Kuwait. When that was accomplished, he stopped. By no stretch of imagination can that be considered an invasion of Iraq. Bush Jr, went in with the express purpose of capturing Iraq, that was an invasion of Iraq.

So if the US puts enough pressure of one kind or another on enough of these little guys, they get the vote they want.

Really, Extrafire? Then why didn’t Bush Jr. get the same result? I would like to see USA pressure ‘little guys’ like Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Russia etc, into submission. I would like to see USA browbeat Islamic countries (Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran etc.), into submission. I would like to see USA browbeat ‘little guys’ like India and China into submission.

Most of the countries in the world supported the Kuwait operation. It was a masterful job of persuasion, not browbeating. Bush Jr. did not understand the meaning of the word persuasion, he was a typical shoot first, ask questions later cowboy.

Let's see, when the Democrats get involved in a war the Republicans talk of illegality. And when the Republicans get involved in a war, the Democrats talk of illegality. Notice a pattern here?

Sure I see a pattern here. The war stared by Clinton was legal, approved by NATO. The war started by Republicans was illegal, at least by international standards.

I'll take that as an acknowlegement of mistake on your part.

There was no mistake, Extrafire. When out of more than 150 countries in the world only one (Britain) offers active support, that is as good as going it alone.

I didn't say that. Once again you distort my words to dodge the point.

Sure you said that. You tried to minimize the casualties by saying that 4000 deaths is not much, they lose that many in 2 years of peace time training accidents.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Barney Frank was the QB. Forcing banks to give loans to people who couldn't afford them. That's our Barney!

EagleSmack, your side was in power for 12 years. For six years Republicans controlled all the branches of government, Senate, House, Presidency and the Supreme Court. If it was such a problem, Republicans could have passed laws to protect against sub prime fiasco. Or was the mighty Barney Frank single handedly able to stop poor little Republican Congress and Republican president from taking action?

The fact is, Republicans simply hate to regulate big business in any way, to them it smacks of Socialism, of Communism. That is why they did nothing to curb the sub prime lending.

He makes us laugh in hysterics and is great fodder for many jokes.

Then no doubt you wish that he stays in the House for long tie to come. I do too, at least on this we are in agreement.

He doesn't apologize for even running a prostitution ring from his apartment either!

That is your interpretation of what he did. He is accountable to his constituents, If he did anything wrong, they will boot him out.

What are they paid again?

They are paid in the form of ideology, not in the form of money (well, they may also be paid money, we don’t know that).

When Barney goes it will be a sad time

Again, we are in agreement. No doubt one reason why Republicans hate him with visceral passion is also that he is openly gay and does not show any signs of bowing down to The Republican mafia, the Fundamentalist God of the Bible.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

How about that? SJP taking the same position as the Republicans! I never thought I'd live to see that day

The facts are not Republican or Democratic, Extrafire, facts are facts. And the fact is very little (about 10%) of stimulus money has been spent so far.

That was in refference to your accusation of me taking two opposing positions, that economic uptick was due to government infusion of money, and that very little government money had yet been spent. Only the first position is mine, the second is yours.

Then your position is not supported by facts, very little of stimulus money has been spent yet. If you are giving credit to Obama for the economic uptake, most of stimulus money is still to be spent and economy may be chugging along nicely for a long time to come.

This uptick will only last as long as the money from the government keeps flowing.

The money will keep flowing for another two years, very little has been spent so far.

That is my position and my only position.

Anyway, so you are giving Obama the credit for economic uptake. We are in agreement there.

In fact, deducing from your posts here, I would venture to say that you have no idea how a Republican thinks either.

I knew precisely how a conservative Republican thinks and you are a typical conservative Republican (in the Town Hall, American Thinker or WorldNetDaily fashion).

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. That figure has stayed in a very narrow range between 47% and 51% every single day for more than a month.

That is the important point, EagleSmack. Rasmussen is a Republican pollster and his numbers are invariably 5 or 6 points lower than other polls (this is the same guy who predicted that Obama-McCain race was a dead heat just before the election). So Obama’s approval rating has stayed constant around 55 or 56% for about a month, according to even a Republican pollster (who has no love lost for Obama).

That was my impression anyway, and the poll you put up confirms that.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

At the same time as Bush's approval was in the low 20's, the democrat controled congress was in the mid teens.

EagleSmack, if we are comparing President with the Congress, what is the approval rating for Republicans in the Congress? Is it still in double digits?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Conservatives Now Outnumber Liberals in All 50 States, Says Gallup Poll


CNSNews.com - Conservatives Now Outnumber Liberals in All 50 States, Says Gallup Poll

So what is your point, Extrafire? That has been the case for years. According to the poll, 40% of Americans consider themselves conservative. The percentage was 37% just before the last election, when Republicans suffered such a disaster.

Conservatives have outnumbered liberals for many years, USA is basically a conservative country. How is that relevant to anything?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

THat is not my opinion and nothing I've posted would suggest that. The evidence indicates that Carter and Clinton are much to blame.

You left out Johnson, Kennedy and FDR, Extrafire.

 

[ironsides]

UTICA, New York - President Barack Obama's job approval rating has sunk to a record low of just 45%, the latest Zogby Interactive poll shows. Fifty-one percent of likely voters now say they disapprove of the President's job performance.
"None of these numbers looks counter-intuitive to me. Gallup, NBC, and Pew all have Obama at record lows. Rasmussen also shows low approval. Things are volatile out there and news travels fast. There is a lot of anxiety over healthcare," said Zogby International President and CEO John Zogby. "The President let it get away from him and voters are scared right now. They are experiencing sacrifice overload and feel more threatened than empowered. The President is being forced to play defense and he is much better when he is in possession of the ball. But do not underestimate Obama. Last August he was toast."
http://www.zogby.com/features/featuredtables.cfm?ID=171


Zogby International Online Polling

 

[ironsides]

THat is not my opinion and nothing I've posted would suggest that. The evidence indicates that Carter and Clinton are much to blame.

You left out Johnson, Kennedy and FDR, Extrafire.

Lets not forget Harrison.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Ironsides, quoting online poll? Be ashamed. On line polls are just a curiosity, nothing more. Anybody can get any result they want by online poll.

 

[ironsides]

Ironsides, quoting online poll? Be ashamed. On line polls are just a curiosity, nothing more. Anybody can get any result they want by online poll.

Oh stop quoting me.


I was surprised that Obama has dropped in the polls this week though. Pretty much every news station has mentioned it. The battle is on now, he is now on the defensive which is a change for him.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Oh stop quoting me.


I was surprised that Obama has dropped in the polls this week though. Pretty much every news station has mentioned it. The battle is on now, he is now on the defensive which is a change for him.

Ironsides, this is the time for the president to drop in polls, it happens to every president. A president enters the office with plenty of goodwill. But as soon as he tries to implement his agenda, it makes some people mad and his approval drops. It happened to Reagan, it happened to Clinton, both considered to be successful presidents.

It all depends upon how the economy performs, presidential approval rating is largely determined by that, other factors come into it only peripherally. Economy is showing mixed signals. From all negative news, now we have gone to mixed news, with some indicators showing an improving economy, others still lagging.

If unemployment picture improves over the next year, you will see a significant uptick in Obama’s approval rating. Next election will be very much determined by where the economy is a year from now. If Democrats do not pass health care reform, they will pay a penalty at the polls, if they do pass it, I don’t think they will get much credit, the election will be determined by the economy.

 

[ironsides]

Did you know that when your unemployment insurance runs out in the U.S., you are no longer considered unemployed by the governmental stats. You are still unemployed, just not counted anymore. Something to think about.

 

[pgs]

Why is sjp still here?
I thought him and vanisle departed back to thier true home?
And where is vanisle anyway?

 

[Extrafire]

Oops post

 

[Cliffy]

If Obama fails we will get the Republicans back. Oh the horror of it all. Cheney will return to conduct business as usual, perhaps from the sidelines or as head honcho at Haliburton.

 

[Extrafire]

Bush Sr. went into Kuwait to liberate it from the invaders. And he also invaded Iraq, but didn't take the whole country because the UN said to stop.

Extrafire, Bush Sr. went into Iraq to the extent that it was necessary to liberate Kuwait. When that was accomplished, he stopped. By no stretch of imagination can that be considered an invasion of Iraq.

SJP lost again. Move those goal posts!

So if the US puts enough pressure of one kind or another on enough of these little guys, they get the vote they want.

Really, Extrafire? Then why didn’t Bush Jr. get the same result?

Didn't we already have this discussion? Incompetance, remember? What's your problem, early onset alzheimers?

Let's see, when the Democrats get involved in a war the Republicans talk of illegality. And when the Republicans get involved in a war, the Democrats talk of illegality. Notice a pattern here?

Sure I see a pattern here. The war stared by Clinton was legal, approved by NATO. The war started by Republicans was illegal, at least by international standards.

THere you go again, re-iterating the lefty position. Isn't that basically what I just said? You really should see a doctor about that memory problem.

I'll take that as an acknowlegement of mistake on your part.

There was no mistake, Extrafire. When out of more than 150 countries in the world only one (Britain) offers active support, that is as good as going it alone.

I just looked up "alone" in the dictionary. It had a picture of you in bed. It also had the words, "single, solitary, by oneself". I couldn't find anything about having any company at all.

I didn't say that. Once again you distort my words to dodge the point.

Sure you said that. You tried to minimize the casualties by saying that 4000 deaths is not much, they lose that many in 2 years of peace time training accidents.

Carry on with that distortion but never admit it.:roll:

 

[Extrafire]

Then your position is not supported by facts,

Why is it when radical ultra-right wing republicans say some thing you don't approve of, their words are to be rejected out of hand, but when it's something you like, suddenly their opinion has real value? :lol: Are you certain the money hasn't been spent? Are you sure that isn't just more lies from the republican radicals meant to discredit the Obamessiah?

That is my position and my only position.

Anyway, so you are giving Obama the credit for economic uptake. We are in agreement there.

I think I made it very plain the first time I said that the uptick was due to "stimulus" spending.

In fact, deducing from your posts here, I would venture to say that you have no idea how a Republican thinks either.

I knew precisely how a conservative Republican thinks and you are a typical conservative Republican (in the Town Hall, American Thinker or WorldNetDaily fashion).

You do? Really? Then why do you make up all those rediculous attributes for them?

 

[Extrafire]

THat is not my opinion and nothing I've posted would suggest that. The evidence indicates that Carter and Clinton are much to blame.

You left out Johnson, Kennedy and FDR, Extrafire.

Another concession from SJP. I accept your surrender.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Did you know that when your unemployment insurance runs out in the U.S., you are no longer considered unemployed by the governmental stats. You are still unemployed, just not counted anymore. Something to think about.

That is true everywhere, ironsides, not only in USA. Canada does the same thing.