This project will likely put pressure on BC and Obama to get those projects moving such that they can capitalize.... New Brunswick is a big winner on this - Clark and BC will losers, possibly the refiners on the Gulf Coast as well
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This project will likely put pressure on BC and Obama to get those projects moving such that they can capitalize.... New Brunswick is a big winner on this - Clark and BC will losers, possibly the refiners on the Gulf Coast as well
We have a sh*tload of heavy in SK and the capacity to upgrade until the cows come home (which is around 04:30AM - 05:30AM BTW). This is huge for SK our bottleneck problem and under capacity woes are going bye-bye. We can easily supply the million plus bbl/per day all by ourselves.
Now to get that capacity stealing NG backed wh*re in DC to OK the KXL and we're on easy street. N. Gateway means nothing to us now.
Don't look to him to be your enviro messiah. Expect him to ramp things up even more and even possibly open up the SK side of the oil sands.
Now to get that capacity stealing NG backed wh*re in DC to OK the KXL and we're on easy street. N. Gateway means nothing to us now.
Trudeau is 100% behind the oil industry. Even more so than Harper. He'll be finishing what his old man and Maurice started 35+ years ago.
Don't look to him to be your enviro messiah. Expect him to ramp things up even more and even possibly open up the SK side of the oil sands.
There are refineries in Alberta, but if you're going to export it, it's simpler to send the crude and let them refine it at the destination, otherwise you'd need a whole bunch of little parallel pipes for each refined product.
Actually, line buffering has been around since the 1930's.
That said, your premise is pretty sound. We are much better off to make Canada self sufficient in oil, polymers paraffin's. etc.
Oh ,heck - just build every pipeline. Starting with the old Canol line. Terrible that that puppy has sat there for 70 years without being rebuilt.
Right , walter? Canol Pipeline - The Canadian Encyclopedia
So what you are saying is Trudeau will try and take credit for a project that came to be under the Conservative gov't.
Yeah, he will try.
The opposition's messaging will probably be geared to make it look like this project was an afterthought to Keystone and how the CPC care about U.S. interests more than ours.
This was never a Con idea.So what you are saying is Trudeau will try and take credit for a project that came to be under the Conservative gov't.
Yeah, he will try.
This in principle I fully support. Oil going east and to refineries in Canada at least.
I do not support lines going to supply any American Refineries though. Canadian
jobs for Canadians I say.
If we are going to refine the oil and export it that is one thing if we are going to
supply raw crude not so much. Canada must take a much more economic Nationalist
view and protect ourselves and ensure we gain the most from our resource.
Northern Gateway I think is just about dead as it should be
XL is not in our interests as there is no real added value jobs except for building the
pipeline. If we were to refine oil for the American market that would make sense but
to give away the jobs no way.
And to have America export oil from the XL project not in favour of that either. In fact
we should not be exporting raw materials to Asia period we should be using the fuel
resource to bring some of those jobs back home.
I do not support lines going to supply any American Refineries though. Canadian
jobs for Canadians I say.
If we are going to refine the oil and export it that is one thing if we are going to
supply raw crude not so much. Canada must take a much more economic Nationalist
view and protect ourselves and ensure we gain the most from our resource.
Northern Gateway I think is just about dead as it should be
XL is not in our interests as there is no real added value jobs except for building the
pipeline. If we were to refine oil for the American market that would make sense but
to give away the jobs no way.
And to have America export oil from the XL project not in favour of that either. In fact
we should not be exporting raw materials to Asia period we should be using the fuel
resource to bring some of those jobs back home.
XL is based on some rather flawed premises. Primarily, we can get a lot better reception in the USA if we convert a lot of the energy use at the OIlsands to nuclear power. The Obama message was pretty clear- get your carbon emissions down or face being shut out.
the Americans are in the unique place, perhaps for the first time since 1972, where they don't have to forage the world for energy.
Ironic that the US is the biggest consumer of hydrocarbons (for the time being).
In the end, much of the refined product to the Gulf Coast goes directly onto super tankers to be sold into Europe Asia. The West to East line will now be competing directly with that business.. Considering that there will be 1.1 MM bbls/day going East rather than South, that will east heavily into someone's sales.
With that in mind, I think that BHO really dropped the ball here
For the last flippin' time.
WAKE THE F*CK UP!!!
Domestic Kerogen and natural gas is becoming the American source of transport fuel.
Fuels is a secondary product to the petrochemicals out of CDN Heavy Oil.
Tell me why a Canadian Companies like Potash Corp or CO-OP Refineries SHOULD NOT set up shop and production of a full line of salt and petrochemical based agricultural products on the gulf coast at the bottom of the Mississippi watershed instead of on top of it?
Are you a member of any CO-OP, Growers Assoc and plethora of other groups YOU OWN A MASSIVE REFINERY/HEAVY OIL UPGRADER. Co-op Refinery Complex
Tell me all about how horrid it would be to ship raw materials from a region where finding skilled labour to extract the resources let alone try to process it isn't easy, to a port area to process into sellable products and then export by sea for far cheaper?
As a Socialist part owner of Potash Corp, Mosaic, Agrium, Viterra and CO-OP which are all hiring and are short on labour sending jobs to the US?
Crack open goggle and take a look at all the petrochemical and organic/in-organic chemical industries in Houston right down to New Orleans that are sitting idle and ready to be bought and put back to work by Canadians using cheap American labour.
Would you prefer we moved all that up here along with American labour and their political slant?
Saskatchewan Is by far the most resource and agriculturally rich Province in all of Canada and one of the richest pieces of property on the entire f*cking planet.
Don't be poking this massive Saskatchewan Social Corporate hive with a stick, they'll turn on you far harder than the private ones will because they can, legally.
Keep in mind if BC doesn't want our massive port capabilities, or the jobs from heavy industry from our steel, nuclear, oil, petrochemical, chemical, agricultural processing or natural gas. job starved Texas and Louisiana sure as hell do without one goddam single piece of rock on the ride downhill all the way making the extra 1200km worth it with easier weather and better infrastructure.
Never bite the hand that feeds you.
Canada’s first heavy oil upgrader opened in Regina in 1988, and the second began production near Lloydminster four years later. Saskatchewan is the country’s second largest oil producer after Alberta, accounting for about 20% of Canada’s production.
The province’s oil fields have a full range of crude oil, from light sweet to heavy. Viscous crude oil is described as heavy oil and needs special equipment so that the petroleum can be refined for use as gasoline or diesel fuel for vehicles and other products including home heating oil, petrochemicals and pharmaceuticals.
The Regina project involved loans and equity provided by the federal and provincial governments to build the NewGrade Energy upgrader adjacent to the Consumers’ Co-operative Refinery Limited (CCRL). Announced in 1983 with a price tag of $600 million, the Regina upgrader finally opened in 1988 and produces about 55,000 barrels of synthetic oil per day. NewGrade, now a 50-50 joint venture between CCRL and the province of Saskatchewan, completed a $300 million expansion in 2003.
Another Upgrader expansion is going live bring production potential up to 500,000bbl a day. Another upgrader is being built as soon as the Keystone XL. Keystone which already flows into US keeps the lights on but until Obama builds his own line he's going to try to hijack half the oil capacity for North Dakota/Montana Kerogen.
It's not an environmental issue at all. It's pipeline piracy.
But you go right ahead and try to keep us from taking a big bite out of the Asian agribusiness and petrochemical markets.
Damnrgrumpy
You and Christie Clark need to learn about something that BC NG could be part of before the last boat sails to southern ports.
Haber process - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Haber process now produces 500 million tons (453 billion kilograms) of nitrogen fertilizer per year, mostly in the form of anhydrous ammonia, ammonium nitrate, and urea. 3–5% of the world's natural gas production is consumed in the Haber process (~1–2% of the world's annual energy supply).[2][14][15][16] That fertilizer is responsible for sustaining one-third of the Earth's population.
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Makes me wonder too... Perhaps it has to do with what it will cost Suzuki to fill up his big diesel bus... Maybe buddy is worried that Suzuki won't be doing the cross-country dinner tour and he'll miss out on seeing his idol in the flesh
Too funny... Back in the day when you only needed to change your oil once a decade, eh?
I had an old Pontiac Lemans (a beater from the 70s) that would let loose clouds of blue smoke when I drove up a steep hill - I considered that the factory option necessary for losing a tail (Communist spies and whatnot)
Oil change? You dumped your oil in the gasoline and worried about the crankcase/tranny oil once every couple years.
A LeMons, I had one of those with a bad lifter that kept a steady beat with the tunes.
In the historic 1957 Pipeline election, the Liberal party of Canada actually won more seats in Sask ( where JD was rather well known)than the PC's, and the PC's only won three ridings in Alberta, which wanted the pipeline- badly.
Manitoba and Ontario swung heavily PC. Television was a 'brand new Novelty', covering most of Southern Ontario and TV cameras @1958 required special makeup .
Dief looked 'good on TV' with skilled makeup.
ST Laure. Much of the credit belongs to Diefenbaker himself; at least some must go to Allister Grosart".[123] A survey taken of those who abandoned the Liberals in 1957 showed that 5.1% did so because of Suez, 38.2% because of the Pipeline Debate, 26.7% because of what they considered an inadequate increase in the old age pension, and 30% because it was time for a change.[124]
ST Laurent and CD Howe refused 'sissy makeup' and both looked like they had lost a bout with Count Dracula...on TV. PEople were uneasy about the 'weird , pale old guys.."
Manitoba and Ontario swung heavily PC. Television was a 'brand new Novelty', covering most of Southern Ontario and TV cameras @1958 required special makeup .
Dief looked 'good on TV' with skilled makeup.
ST Laure. Much of the credit belongs to Diefenbaker himself; at least some must go to Allister Grosart".[123] A survey taken of those who abandoned the Liberals in 1957 showed that 5.1% did so because of Suez, 38.2% because of the Pipeline Debate, 26.7% because of what they considered an inadequate increase in the old age pension, and 30% because it was time for a change.[124]
ST Laurent and CD Howe refused 'sissy makeup' and both looked like they had lost a bout with Count Dracula...on TV. PEople were uneasy about the 'weird , pale old guys.."
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