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wulfie68

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Mar 29, 2009
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It's very hard to win the Stanley Cup and sometimes you have to give more, sacrifice more than you ever expected to win it, as many Canadian kids who become adult hockey players really want to win it, and will do anything for the glory of holding the sacred mug. If the Sedins win the cup for the city they will be remembered forever here as hockey gods, if they don't, they will be remembered like Markus Naslund and Todd Bertuzzi-very talented guys who didn't have what it takes to win the big one.

In all seriousness, this is something I can almost agree with. I don't think the Sedins are hardnosed enough to win it all, but if they do finally win a Cup for the Canucks, they will be remembered by their fans, as long as people play hockey. I do think its a little unfair to tar Naslund and Bertuzzi as "not having what it takes" because winning a Cup isn't about the individuals as much as it is about the team as a collective identity: if your Star A is being closely covered all game/series Star B or Talented Guy C is going to find more open ice and its on them to pick up the load. Sometimes injuries factor into it. We see guys all the time who didn't win in one place, go someplace else and win and its not necessarily as mark against ALL their teammates (although it is probably on at least some of them for not having the combination of ability and desire).

When I look at Vancouver (and i know our chorus of BC fans are going to disagree), they DO lack toughness on a consistent basis... and for all the BS about dirty Bruins, thats why they didn't win and why I don't see them winning it all. They need a mean streak that says "get the f*** out of my way" to opponents to go with the talent level. Right now they say "please let me by".
 

JLM

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Nov 27, 2008
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We seem to have gotten away from the old adage- "It matters not whether you win or lose but how you play the game". It really doesn't have so much to do with the game anymore, but money, money, money and recognition from those whose ethics may be questionable! :smile:
 

Cannuck

Time Out
Feb 2, 2006
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We seem to have gotten away from the old adage- "It matters not whether you win or lose but how you play the game".

LOL - when did that adage ever apply to NHL hockey. If anything, we are currently moving towards that adage.
 

Cannuck

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Yeah, right, all the concussions attest to that!

Yes they do. Concussions happened thirty years ago but the league didn't deal with the issue. Nice bob and weave though.

If you think hockey is getting rougher, perhaps you should ask Teddy Green or Valeri Kharlamov. The old days were full of goons like Steve Durbano. The game is much cleaner now. If it's the hits you don't like, may I suggest you watch women's hockey instead. Being a fan of the sisters, it's probably right up your alley.
 

Kreskin

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Feb 23, 2006
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The game is way more physical today. Guys like Bobby Orr wouldn't make a farm club .

If you get a chance watch the Philadelphia Flyers versus the Russian red Army in the 70s. The infamous game. It is like watching a no-hitter.
 

Cannuck

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The game is way more physical today. Guys like Bobby Orr wouldn't make a farm club .

If you get a chance watch the Philadelphia Flyers versus the Russian red Army in the 70s. The infamous game. It is like watching a no-hitter.

It's infamous because of one play. It's interesting that you used an "international" game to try and make your point. As for Orr, I'm not surprised that such an idiotic comment would come from a Nucks fan. Just more evidence to support my assertion that Nuck fans are some of the least knowledgeable fans in hockey.