Watch The U.S. Accept Or Defeat The Health Reform
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Health insurance reform will be passed today, the American people will be better off then the present method of coverage for some and no coverage for others.
Why in a country that has held the light to better life would starve many of its people on medical care?.
Why in a country that has held the light to better life would starve many of its people on medical care?.
Whatever happens today it will stall in their Senate or be repealed after November. There are too many with big money at stake to allow it to happen. They will continue to fund supposed grassroots campaigns, like the Tea Party, and sway enough people to believe it's in their best interests to maintain the status quo.
Really? Here is an opinion poll.
Trudeau still No. 1 after 40 years - thestar.com
Trudeau is considered to be the best PM in the last 40 years by 40% of Canadians, Harper being a distant second, with 11% (that is really more of name recognition than anything else, considering that he was also voted the worst PM by 22% Canadians).
Are you saying that that 40% is mostly Ontario, and nobody from west of Ontario? Trudeau has been ranked the best PM for a long time now.
And the west also benefited immensely because of Trudeau (though they won’t admit it, of course). Trudeau gave us the Charter. Charter did not guarantee basic, fundamental rights to just Ontarians, it guaranteed fundamental rights to all Canadian, including those in Alberta.
Incidentally, Google for ‘Trudeau opinion poll’ and you will find several opinion polls, where Trudeau is considered the best PM.
You evidently are not familiar with the American system works, Kreskin. Assuming democrats have the votes today, House will pass the Senate bill into law, it will go to Obama for signature. There is no way it will be stalled in the Senate; it doesn’t even go back to the Senate. It becomes the law, as soon as Obama signs it. Health care reform will be a reality if democrats can pass it today.
They are also voting on an accompanying bill, that will go back to the senate, and that may be stalled in the senate. Though even this is unlikely, they don’t need 60 votes in the senate, they need only 51. So republicans may be able to delay the voting on the bill by introducing hundreds of amendments, but they cannot stop it. It will be voted upon; very likely it won’t be stalled, seeing that they don’t need 60 votes in the Senate.
And who is going to repeal it after November? Republicans? Well, there is such a thing called presidential veto. If Republicans do repeal it (and they will need 60 votes in the senate to avoid Democratic filibuster, currently they have only 41), the repeal will be vetoed by Obama. To override Obama’s veto, Republicans will need 2/3rd majority in both the Senate and the House. For that they need 67 seats in the senate, currently they have 41. They need to pick up 26 seats. Considering that there are about 35 senate seats up for election in November, that is an impossible task.
If Democrats have the votes today, that will be a historic vote. The reform will be here to stay. Just as it was very difficult to pass health care reform, it will be equally difficult to repeal it.
It will probably pass and Obama will continue to sink the USA with massive spending. He has to make up for the billions he gave the banks with something for the little guy. They can not afford it though. As far as Trudeau goes he was communist from day one. With over half of the working people now working for the government, we are really not much different than a communist state.
Not likely. This health care debate has shown how difficult it is to pass legislation in USA. Exactly the same rules apply for repeal of the legislation. There is the filibuster, there is the veto.
The earliest Republicans can repeal it is in 2013. And they must win the presidency, must have a majority in the House and must have at least 60 seats in the House, a nearly impossible task.
So of course anything is possible, but it is extremely unlikely. History is being made today in Washington (it looks like Democrats do have the vote).
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SirJosephPorter, once Americans realize that this so called "health care plan" is akin to buying a car but not able to drive it for four years or renting an apartment but not being able to move in for four years or ordering a meal and not being able to eat in for four years, they WILL take appropriate action.
I would hate to predict what that action will be. But it won't be pretty.
I would hate to predict what that action will be. But it won't be pretty.
A politician must not be afraid of losing election; he has to do the right thing. And that is what democrats are doing today.
I don’t know whether they will pay a price at the election, but suppose they do, so what? It is much better to lose because you did something, rather than lose because you did nothing.
Rightly or wrongly, Democrats think that they are helping people by this legislation. So I applaud their courage in passing the legislation and not worrying about what will happen in November.
If Democrats do nothing, what was the point of getting elected, why did people give Democrats such big majorities? Just to sit on their behind?
I think democrats are doing the right thing, and I applaud their courage, irrespective of what happens in November.
"A politician must not be afraid of losing election; he has to do the right thing. And that is what democrats are doing today.
I don’t know whether they will pay a price at the election, but suppose they do, so what? It is much better to lose because you did something, rather than lose because you did nothing."
I am willing to give you a bit of as slack, knowing that in Canada an MP is nothing but a puppet on a string for the Prime Minister (any and all parties), would you have and voice the same opinion in Canadian politics?
No spin, please! Just an honest answer!
I don’t know whether they will pay a price at the election, but suppose they do, so what? It is much better to lose because you did something, rather than lose because you did nothing."
I am willing to give you a bit of as slack, knowing that in Canada an MP is nothing but a puppet on a string for the Prime Minister (any and all parties), would you have and voice the same opinion in Canadian politics?
No spin, please! Just an honest answer!
Because of the insurance companies and HMOs stubbornness the American government healthcare is closer to reality today.
Because of the greediness and heartlessness and making sure that the shareholder came first at the cost of human life.
The American people did the right thing is tell their representatives that they need help and they are their boss because they pay the taxes and Republicans won’t help the people because they are paid big money from the health industries.
Democrats are the only party that listened and is acting.
Once this passes the Republicans can kiss their jobs goodbye because they will never get elected again they will have to do what Stephen Harper did is take over another party and change their name.
Because of the greediness and heartlessness and making sure that the shareholder came first at the cost of human life.
The American people did the right thing is tell their representatives that they need help and they are their boss because they pay the taxes and Republicans won’t help the people because they are paid big money from the health industries.
Democrats are the only party that listened and is acting.
Once this passes the Republicans can kiss their jobs goodbye because they will never get elected again they will have to do what Stephen Harper did is take over another party and change their name.
But of course, if a president or a PM is elected on a particular platform, a particular agenda, then he should do his level best to implement that agenda. That is why I had a kind of gruding respect for Mulroney, for implementing the GST in the face of so much intense opposition.
He ran on the platform of introducing the GST, and he did it. Obama ran on the plan of health care reform. Now of course in USA a president cannot pass any laws. But it was incumbent upon him to do his best to get health care reform passed.
Obama tried his best, and looks like he is going to succeed. All the kudos to him and to Pelosi.
Yukon Jack: the democrats in the House will be drinking electoral Jonestown koolaid tonight ...served by the President.........