War and Profit: War IS profit

Ocean Breeze

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July 30, 2005 - Things are going well in Iraq for the invaders. Well, at least for some people, such as US Vice-President Richard Cheney. He is receiving more than $US1 million ($A1.3 million) a year from Halliburton, the company of which he was CEO from 1995 to 2000, in "deferred remuneration" while he is VP. He is worth every penny.

Last week, two Democrat senators and a house member wrote to Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld asking if he knew about Halliburton's latest money-making dodge in Iraq. Keep in mind that Halliburton and its subsidiary, Kellogg Brown and Root, have a nice little earner going in supplying support for the US Army and for, ostensibly, putting out oil well fires. The Centre for Public Integrity in Washington counts Halliburton's windfall at more than $US10 billion - a little bit coming from the US Treasury but most coming from Iraqi oil revenue that is supposed to be used to reconstruct the country for the benefit of the people. The centre counts another 30 members of the Defence Policy Board with ties to American companies with $US76 billion (as of 2002) in largely uncontested and un-auditable military contracts.

The Democrats reckon that Halliburton may have overstepped even its sloppy moral line by making life impossible for another American company that has committed the crime of undercutting the Vice-President's company.
In their letter to Rumsfeld, the Democrats say that US company Lloyd-Owen International is being prevented from delivering fuel to Iraq from Kuwait (Who says the liberation hasn't been a success? What next? Ice to the Inuit?) by forcing LOI trucks to use a civilian crossing where the checks are so slow that the company can't get its 140 trucks a day through. The speedy, wave-'em-through military crossing is controlled by who? The Iraqi military? The US military? Nope, by the Vice-President's firm, which is also in the fuel delivery business.

The Democrats say that the LOI crime is delivering fuel to Iraq for 18 US cents a gallon while Halliburton provides the same service at $US1.30 a gallon. The LOI spokesman says he could understand if Halliburton simply doubled the price, to 36 US cents a gallon. But at $US1.30 a gallon even a Texas carpetbagger should blush.

Halliburton has a $US2.5 billion contract for managing the fuel distribution system in Iraq. The man from LOI says that "we have not, to date, seen a functioning KBR (Kellogg Brown and Root) piece of equipment to where we deliver". He also says that his chaps have only come across one KBR employee at these sites.

LOI needed Defence Department ID cards to make its deliveries and, in order to get them from - you guessed it - Halliburton, they had to make a delivery for Mr Cheney of construction material to Fallujah last month. The convoy was attacked and three men were killed and seven injured. KBR staff were ordered not to provide any assistance to the injured. "Many people volunteered to help, but were told not to by our management," according to a Halliburton employee. Presumably the convoy crew were a bunch of mercenaries, in Iraq to make a buck.

As George the Smaller told an audience at the West Point and Virginia Military Institute, America is "the single surviving model of human progress".
 

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Please note that Libery Forum is a conservative web site. This belies the popular myth that anyone who objects to Bush's criminal war is, somehow, unAmerican.
 

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jjw1965 said:
War is one hell of a racket isn't it!

indeed. note that , it is lucrative for a select few. Blood money, money obtained on the lives of innocents... Blood money obtained on the lives of many fine troops.

there has been nothing honorable about this current US disaster, but money is more important than true honor and integrety.

(the American "dream" taken to extreme???? or would this fascination/greed for the almighty $$$$ be an eventual nightmare??
 

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War is one hell of a racket isn't it!


Precisely why Eisenhower condemned the Military Industrial Complex in his farewell speech. He, a military man, knew more than anyone that war is hell and that it is promoted by those with financial interests in them.
 

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Peace is also quite a profit.
The Italians selling land mines, stockpiles of which were found after the war.

The French and Germans building nuclear facilities, one of which was bombed by Israel in 1981.

The Russians building oil infrastructure.

All collusion. The big business of this big 3 loved hiding behind the 20 year old Euro peace protestors. Maybe such protesting would have lifted the embargo.

War racketeering ?

It doesn't compare even remotely to what those 3 countries were up to prior to this 2nd war in Iraq.
 

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given the choice.......would take PEACE and profit over WAR (killing humans) and profit anytime.
 

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Given the choice Peace profit over War profit varies little in its potential for great danger.

The French, Germans and Russians counted on such a simplistic view in order to give Saddam nuclear capability and to do great business with him seeing their chance for their own personal Saudi Arabia and what better than to hide behind the nobility of a view such as yours.

10 more years of Saddam with nuclear capability firmly in place and 10 more years of sponsoring children suicide bombers in Palestine, and giving fruition to Saddam's wish that nuclear power would stop any invasion of him, after he had initiated 2 wars, one on Iran and one on Kuwait.


Have fun.

At least it's the profit of peace !!!
 

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jimmoyer said:
Given the choice Peace profit over War profit varies little in its potential for great danger.

The French, Germans and Russians counted on such a simplistic view in order to give Saddam nuclear capability and to do great business with him seeing their chance for their own personal Saudi Arabia and what better than to hide behind the nobility of a view such as yours.

10 more years of Saddam with nuclear capability firmly in place and 10 more years of sponsoring children suicide bombers in Palestine, and giving fruition to Saddam's wish that nuclear power would stop any invasion of him, after he had initiated 2 wars, one on Iran and one on Kuwait.


Have fun.

At least it's the profit of peace !!!

the US HAS nuclear capability.......yet wants no one else to have it.

The US has ,by virtue of its actions , increased the threat of terrorism into global proportions....and is guilty of fostering terrorism, by angering the nations it abuses.

The "suicide bombers " in Iraq for eg.......would not be active , if it were not for the US invasion. Suicide bombers and other terrorist atrocities would not be taking place in the nations that have been involved in Iraq. Iraq invasion has become the epicenter for terrorist growth .
Meanwhile the fat cats of Washington are getting richer.

Meanwhile the troops and a multitude of innocents are killed , dying and maimed. .......and a nation's infrastructure has been destroyed......
 

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jimmoyer said:
Given the choice Peace profit over War profit varies little in its potential for great danger.

The French, Germans and Russians counted on such a simplistic view in order to give Saddam nuclear capability and to do great business with him seeing their chance for their own personal Saudi Arabia and what better than to hide behind the nobility of a view such as yours.

10 more years of Saddam with nuclear capability firmly in place and 10 more years of sponsoring children suicide bombers in Palestine, and giving fruition to Saddam's wish that nuclear power would stop any invasion of him, after he had initiated 2 wars, one on Iran and one on Kuwait.

Answer- where did you get these strange notions from? They are just bizarre with no basis of fact. The Americans provided Saddam with the bio / chemical agents. The Russians provided jets but not enough to shift a power balance. The French provided Israel with the technical knowhow for nuclear arms in the early 1960's. They had no intention of making that error again in Iraq. There was no sign of ongoing nuclear advance in Iraq. Further, Kuwait started the first Gulf War by slant drilling into Iraqi oilfields. Saddam would not have warred with Iran without massive financial support from the U.S. after the Americans lost their Iranian puppet. Try reading with a little discernment.

and then to make a statement like "Given the choice Peace profit over War profit varies little in its potential for great danger." Well that is just innane.
 

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Answer- where did you get these strange notions from? They are just bizarre with no basis of fact.

Poison meet jimmy..what can you say about jimmy...cept well maybe the dude summed it up best... Shit, I know that guy. He's a nihilist. :? :? :?
 

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peapod said:
Answer- where did you get these strange notions from? They are just bizarre with no basis of fact.

Poison meet jimmy..what can you say about jimmy...cept well maybe the dude summed it up best... Shit, I know that guy. He's a nihilist. :? :? :?

answer - but if the nihilists win, we all lose, even the nihilists. All that would be left is existential dispair. But in this thread, there is the hope that those who profit from war can be brought to awareness that they have much to lose through war. Perhaps this is one of the roots of terrorism, a frustration from the certain knowledge that you will never influence your true enemy.
 

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RE: War and Profit: War I

More accurate to say that war is very profitable for those in the business of war - it sux for everyone else.

I further suggest all US posters be banned immediately since they ban us pacifist Canucks from all their warmongering forums of sycophantic pimp Bush apologists and USA! rah rah mob mentality apes cheerleading for racism, hatred and bigotry.

Let the Yanks post their Lord of the Flies worldview to each other.
/just a suggestion
 

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I further suggest all US posters be banned immediately since they ban us pacifist Canucks from all their warmongering forums of sycophantic pimp Bush apologists and USA! rah rah mob mentality apes cheerleading for racism, hatred and bigotry.

So....you believe in censorship and banning other voices/opinions in a democratic country? How does this work - even on the internet?

Especially on the internet?

I would venture you did a pretty neat exercise yourself of racism, hatred and bigotry, and I'll throw in the old buzz word prejudice too. Not very Canadian of you. Canadians represent much more tolerance than you have shown here.

Cheer up - there are better things ahead for you today - it can't all be that bad.
 

Ocean Breeze

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More accurate to say that war is very profitable for those in the business of war - it sux for everyone else.

absolutely. Not sure how all the DEAD, MAIMED etc "profit" either.
 

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If war is so profitable,then why is the USA 350 trillion in the hole?

Because neo-con policies are basically a wealth transfer scheme. They take from the poor and give to rich. The poor don't have enough to keep up with the rate of transfer though, so now the neo-cons are taking from the grandchildren of the poor.