Veterans Unhappy With Benefits

Machjo

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How can anyone compare paying tax's with what a veteran has given. You voted for your tax's or at least accepted what was imposed. This should not even be a debate, what you should be doing is marching on Ottawa and demanding what ever they the disabled veterans need. The U.S. VA budget is not what is bankrupting us.


Give your disabled veterans at least the same percentage wise as we give ours.

http://www.whitehouse.gov//sites/de...s/fy2010_factsheets/fy10_veterans_affairs.pdf

You got me wrong here. I'm not saying don't help the vets. On the contrary, I'm saying help the vets, but do so responsibly. The least we can do, considering the sacrifice they made, is accept either a tax increase or spending cuts to make this happen. For us to just borrow and pend our way to helping them would be the most shameful cop out. We need to show our vets that we are prepared to make the sacrifice ourselves and not just pass it on in debt to our children. The vets aren't stupid. They sacrificed for this country and would like to know that that they will die for a stronger country. Heck, soldier or not, I think we'd all hope to see a strong country when we die, giving a feeling that we contributed to something. To help the vets while indebting the country would be providing them with material help but also sending them a message of gloom as they see their nation weaken. Let's show them that we intend to help them on all fronts, not just materially but also by showing them that the country they helped to defend is in the hands of good and responsible stewards worth defending.
 

Ariadne

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My son in law is with the military ... just returned from Afghanistan mid-October. My daughter insisted that he have additional insurance - in addition to the military insurance policies - just in case something goes wrong. They have one young son, and another on the way, and she did not think that the military insurance policies protected the family in the event that something happened to him.
 

petros

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My apologies - i see how my friends who have sufered massive injuries are treated un the so called new Charter - i wrote my MP tinight and told him at the next election i would be following him from door to door handing out information on how Vets are treated by this Govt.
I bet you'd get more support than the MP.
 

ironsides

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You got me wrong here. I'm not saying don't help the vets. On the contrary, I'm saying help the vets, but do so responsibly. The least we can do, considering the sacrifice they made, is accept either a tax increase or spending cuts to make this happen. For us to just borrow and pend our way to helping them would be the most shameful cop out. We need to show our vets that we are prepared to make the sacrifice ourselves and not just pass it on in debt to our children. The vets aren't stupid. They sacrificed for this country and would like to know that that they will die for a stronger country. Heck, soldier or not, I think we'd all hope to see a strong country when we die, giving a feeling that we contributed to something. To help the vets while indebting the country would be providing them with material help but also sending them a message of gloom as they see their nation weaken. Let's show them that we intend to help them on all fronts, not just materially but also by showing them that the country they helped to defend is in the hands of good and responsible stewards worth defending.


It is not that you don't help your Vets, it is just that this should not be an issue at this time. All this should have been taken care of years ago. The National Budget should never be considered when considering benefits for your disabled veterans. If money must be moved from one place to another to accommodate them over the short term then do it, but do it quickly it is their lives your playing with. I know that the VA system in the U.S. may need more tweaking, but there is no reason not to copy it as it is now, it is far better than any other Veteran benefit program in the world at the moment. We may complain about it, but it is only that we want more for our disabled veterans who's wars really never end.
 
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Ariadne

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So Canada should adopt the vet benefit program from the US, and he US should adopt the health care insurance system from Canada. How well are the US vets treated by their health system?
 

Machjo

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It is not that you don't help your Vets, it is just that this should not be an issue at this time. All this should have been taken care of years ago. The National Budget should never be considered when considering benefits for your disabled veterans. If money must be moved from one place to another to accommodate them over the short term then do it, but do it quickly it is their lives your playing with. I know that the VA system in the U.S. may need more tweaking, but there is no reason not to copy it as it is now, it is far better than any other Veteran benefit program in the world at the moment. We may complain about it, but it is only that we want more for our disabled veterans who's wars really never end.

I do see your point here. Regardless of how responsible Canadians choose to be, we should still help our veterans. The hope of course is that if we increase help to our vets now, which we ought to do of course, we would also respond as soon as possible to adjust the economy to stabilize government spending, either by reducing spending in other areas or increasing taxes, or both, depending on need. You say they are two separate issues. I say hell no! All government policy must always be looked at from a holistic perpective. Each policy decision effects, or at least ought to effect, other policy decisions. No government should ever government from the heart alone, but rather from the heart and head together, even when discussing the most emotional or patriotic sentiments. In the end, the head and analytical thought should ever disappear from public policy just because of the emotional aspect of the topic at hand.

Whenver we discuss government policy in one area or another, we should always look at the long-term effect and how we may have to modify other policies to make it feasable in the long-term. Otherwise, we risk a short-term solution whereby we borrow and spend for our vets today, only to then have to cut help for our future vets because of debt, bringing us right back to square one.

Then again, for any future war we ought to look at the overall policy aspect of that too, how we'll fight the war, how we'll finance it, how we'll deal with the potential consequences and fallout in the short and long term both domestically and nternationally, whether it's diplomatic,social, cultural, economic, health, or whatever other fallout. Before even having gone into Afghanistan, we ought to have a foreseen this (after all, it's been a problem for centuries, so it's not like we have no precedent for the social, mental, health, and other problems vets face after a war). We should have looked at other wars and their concequences, asked ourselves how we would deal with this and have a plan for it, determine whether we could afford it, etc. etc. etc. before even declaring war on Afghanistan. Yet we'd failed to do that. I hope it serves as a lesson for next time.

Now of course waht's done is done, but that does not mean we can't now develop a sustainable long-term plan for our vets today rather than just react in an ad hoc manner ruling by the seat of our pants.
 

ironsides

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So Canada should adopt the vet benefit program from the US, and he US should adopt the health care insurance system from Canada. How well are the US vets treated by their health system?

You may hear some negative feedback from individual veterans, but all in all it is excellent. Compensation, full healthcare for the rest of their lives, adaptable housing if needed, modified vehicle to drive around in (every 3-4 years). It is a healthcare system one could be proud of and no question it is to expensive for general population. In this case if you want the best for your veterans, you must adapt our VA system or come up with something better for the veterans, not Canada. (The Veterans is not an average citizens, they are something above what is normal, someone to to be proud of, really special, take care of them)


Public health care has nothing to do with veterans.
 

jjaycee98

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Canada ought to check with the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, in most cases our veterans get excellent care and a good compensation package. (full medical and around $60,000+ per year or higher for one 100% disabled) Aid and attendance if needed is also added on. I have a friend who was shot thru the spine in Vietnam and is now paralyzed, he receives over $85,000 per year, large down payment for a home . That is of course all tax free, including all taxes on home, school etc.. Still doesn't make up for what he went thru, but makes life bearable.

I am an Accountant and a Tax preparer. In all of my dealings with various branches of CRA, I find it is the Department workers that try to rip everyone off and screw them out of what they deserve to have. The attitude seems to be-if it isn't flowing into my pocket, then by dog no one else is going to get it either.

My experience with clients and DVA shows exactly that.
 

ironsides

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Those who work for the VA are salaried Federal workers (both competent and in-competent), and have no access to what money has been allotted for the veterans. They stand to gain nothing by denying a veteran his rights, in fact may get into trouble for doing something wrong. As I mentioned, it is time to speak up for the vets, in most cases they cannot speak for themselves.