Vatican: "The rape is less serious than abortion"

[Niflmir]

So, what do you make of atheists who feel abortion is wrong?

You do realize that objections to abortion are not born solely of religious views, right?

The problems are often worse in those cases. Either way, in opposing free access to abortion a person is asserting an intrinsic moral worth to an undeveloped organism that trumps the freedom of a person to choose what they do with their own body. Given that the majority of abortions do not even actively destroy the organism makes the whole thing even more sinister, since they are asserting that the undeveloped organism has a right to nourish itself at the expense of the legally restricted individual.

Asserting intrinsic moral worth to anything is essentially a religious view, in the more general definition of religious. When the person just plucks the belief from thin air and starts asserting it, the possibility of convincing them otherwise may be much dire.

 

[gerryh]

That argument would be fine if a person had no control over whether or not they got pregnant. The fact is that, except in the rare cases of rape, a free choice is made to engage in an activity that could lead to pregnancy.

 

[Niflmir]

That argument would be fine if a person had no control over whether or not they got pregnant. The fact is that, except in the rare cases of rape, a free choice is made to engage in an activity that could lead to pregnancy.

Yes, and arguing that the loss of choice is a just punishment for an accident just proves that the issue is about controlling a woman's choices and not about protecting life. If I freely choose to walk about a dangerous neighbourhood, do I give up my right to defend myself?

 

[gerryh]

Yes, and arguing that the loss of choice is a just punishment for an accident just proves that the issue is about controlling a woman's choices and not about protecting life. If I freely choose to walk about a dangerous neighbourhood, do I give up my right to defend myself?

Lets use this analogy. If you choose to kill someone, should that mean you should forfeit your freedom?

Two people have made the decision and choice to engage in sex. The consequences of that choice is a possibility of pregnancy. What you propose and what Canada now condones is not taking responsibility for that choice and instead killing another human life because of ones irresponsibility.

I also see you have chosen to ignore backing up your accusations concerning the Church.

 

[taxslave]

You really don't see a difference between the Catholic church concealing the abuse of children to them actually condoning it? I can tell you in all the years going to church I never once heard them say that child abuse was acceptable. I never once heard of them condoning it. Did many try to conceal it, absolutely and they were 100% wrong in doing that. As I said, they are 100% guilty of concealing the crimes of their priests. They tried to cover it up, which was so wrong. They did not say it was ok for the clergy to do it though.

From the perspective of a non church member concealing is no different than condoning. If your buddy was beating his wife would you protect/help her or shrug it off because he is your buddy. To me it is the same thing.

 

[Bar Sinister]

So, what do you make of atheists who feel abortion is wrong?

You do realize that objections to abortion are not born solely of religious views, right?

Really? Enlighten me on these non-religious objections.

 

[karrie]

Really? Enlighten me on these non-religious objections.

Id have to let you find someone who holds them to get the discussion with any justice.

But, it would boil down to the fact that believing human life holds value isn't merely a religious belief.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Id have to let you find someone who holds them to get the discussion with any justice.

But, it would boil down to the fact that believing human life holds value isn't merely a religious belief.

I can understand that. I suppose it boils down to whether you put the rights of the unborn before those of women.

 

[gerryh]

I can understand that. I suppose it boils down to whether you put the rights of the unborn before those of women.

the right to life.... or the right to not be inconvenienced for 9 months because of a choice that SHE made.

 

[MapleDog]

With all the things to prevent unwanted pregnancy,they can't justify going to morgentaler for aborting the baby,condom is not just the name of a town [i think].abortion should not be used as a day after method,or for people too stupid to cover up the little soldier.

as for the xatican and its emperor Ovaltine [Palpatine lesser known brother] they should not put their nose in people's lives.

 

[gerryh]

as for the xatican and its emperor Ovaltine [Palpatine lesser known brother] they should not put their nose in people's lives.

The Holy Roman Catholic Church had every right to do what they did.

 

[MapleDog]

The Holy Roman Catholic Church had every right to do what they did.

I disagree,before preaching to others or excommunicating them for having some human compassion for the victims of rapists,they need to get out of the dark age and give all their pedophile priests to the real justice.

 

[gerryh]

I disagree,before preaching to others or excommunicating them for having some human compassion for the victims of rapists,they need to get out of the dark age and give all their pedophile priests to the real justice.

The Church has every right to discipline their own flock for not following Catholic doctrine.

 

[TenPenny]

The Holy Roman Catholic Church had every right to do what they did.

Of course they do. Like any club, they can establish whatever rules they want to for their members.

It's like Rotary International, without the fun.