US troops used chemical weapons

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nitzomoe said:
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I hope somebody introduces a bill condemning this at the UN. The US would have to veto a motion condemning them, backed by the UK, no doubt...they'd look like absolute idiots.

American credibility on the international stage is gone.

nobody has the balls to do that.

not sure it is a question of "balls" as much as "cost /benefit" at the moment. Cost/benefit in a political sense.
 

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There would certainly be domestic political advantage for both France and Russia to do so. China has to be eyeing the idea too. The question is how afraid they are of political retaliation and how hard they think they can push.

Somebody should introduce the motion.
 

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On another note, it looks like Italy will be pulling out their 3,000 troops by the end of 2006. You know that the recent revelations about the use of white phosphorous in Fallujah, as well as the US trying to off Italian journalists, had to play a part in that decision.
 

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Americans Use WMD In Their Illegal War On Iraq

Various | 09.11.2005 03:56
The media finally begins to pay attention.

Americans Use WMD In Their Illegal War On Iraq

Mr. Bush, the Hague is calling ...

This is the Italian documentary on the US' use of banned weapons in Iraq.


Please go to website to read full text and links. Very interesting.

http://tinyurl.com/dzn78
 

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You're Welcome Rev.

I don't see any one from the neo-cons members discussing these massacres here. They all disappeared. Strange they come after you or me for petty things and ignore this.
 

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Is smearing a democratically elected president who is giving the American people heating fuel at 40-50% discount, more important than what their moron president is doing in Iraq and his disregard of international laws?
 

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Is that what this thread is about Mog? Perhaps some people are looking into the matter before they go jumping into a hot bed of Anti-Americanism.

When I have the information to my satisfaction I will jump into this debate. But there is some reading to do and not the one sided lefty reading....

I posted a nice little document from your boss in Iran...I noticed you didn't say anything about that little piece of work....
 

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Jay. Watch your mouth and don't say "my boss in Iran". This is a personal attack. Refrain or I will report you to the moderator.

As for your little piece, I haven't had time to see it yet. I'll respond accordingly.
 

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Jay said:
Is that what this thread is about Mog? Perhaps some people are looking into the matter before they go jumping into a hot bed of Anti-Americanism.

When I have the information to my satisfaction I will jump into this debate. But there is some reading to do and not the one sided lefty reading....

I posted a nice little document from your boss in Iran...I noticed you didn't say anything about that little piece of work....


inciting and prejudicial. :x You might want to rephrase ... 8O
 

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moghrabi said:
Jay. Watch your mouth and don't say "my boss in Iran". This is a personal attack. Refrain or I will report you to the moderator.

As for your little piece, I haven't had time to see it yet. I'll respond accordingly.

People have no problem telling me I get my orders from Bush, or calling me Bush.
 

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moghrabi said:
Is smearing a democratically elected president who is giving the American people heating fuel at 40-50% discount, more important than what their moron president is doing in Iraq and his disregard of international laws?

to the neocon manipulators and con artists??? You bet it is.......as this is their MO...... when things get hot.....they pull out every dirty distraction tactic at their disposal..........and they fecking well have an arsenol.

when things are going their way.........their bragging/boasting and SELF GLORIFYING would make the Romans look like understated peons....
 

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Jay said:
moghrabi said:
Jay. Watch your mouth and don't say "my boss in Iran". This is a personal attack. Refrain or I will report you to the moderator.

As for your little piece, I haven't had time to see it yet. I'll respond accordingly.

People have no problem telling me I get my orders from Bush, or calling me Bush.

I never called you Bush, Jay. That will be insulting you too much. So please keep it on topic.
 

Jay

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Thanks Mog.

Like I said, when I have done the reasearch I need to do, I will comment on this, as requested.
 

moghrabi

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Very well. Please take your time because the tuth is very hard to swallow.
 

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While you're doing your research, Jay, you should go to the CBC website, look up The Hour and see if they have the interview they did with ex-US soldiers who were actually at Fallujah.
 

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Torture and Extrajudicial Killings in Iraq
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November 24, 2005


For the last week the US government has been reeling both from the revelation that it employed white phosphorous in Fallujah and from the discovery that the government it helped install is running secret detention centres in which prisoners are subjected to serious abuse.

The detention facility in the Jadiriyah district of Baghdad was discovered on Sunday 13 November when US soldiers entered an Interior Ministry building in their hunt for a missing 15-year-old. What they discovered was a chamber of horrors. More than 170 prisoners were packed into a foetid underground bunker. They were half-starved and many of them had been seriously beaten. Torture instruments were found hidden above a false ceiling and reports stated that some prisoners had been flayed.

Predictably, the US embassy issued a statement denouncing the treatment and insisting that torture was unacceptable, while Iraqi prime minister Ibrahim Jafaari insisted there would be an enquiry and Hussein Kamal, deputy head of the Interior Ministry, downplayed the incident. Such denials failed to convince the intrepid western media, which cannily pointed to Shia domination of the government, especially the Interior Ministry. A number of reports also cited rumours that the facility had been used by the Badr Brigade, the former armed wing of The Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq. For the majority of western journalists, the incident is yet another example of what they claim is a wave of sectarian violence sweeping Iraq.

What the western media has so far failed to disclose is that a strikingly similar incident occurred just a day after the nominal handover of power to Ayad Allawi’s Interim Government. On 29 June 2004, military police from the Oregon National Guard stormed the compound of the Interior Ministry itself to rescue dozens of detainees whom they had observed being tortured. As at Jadiriyah, the victims had been deprived of food and savagely beaten. Dozens more detainees were discovered in sheds, alongside instruments of torture. Some of the detainees were in a life-threatening condition and the guardsmen began to administer emergency medical care.

Most shockingly, when the guardsmen radioed for support, senior US officers ordered them to stand down. After hours of tense negotiations, the guardsmen reluctantly withdrew, leaving the prisoners with their abusers.

The incident demonstrates two extremely important points. Firstly, the latest discovery is not news for US authorities, who have been aware of serious abuse taking place inside Interior Ministry facilities for more than a year and taken no action to prevent it. Secondly, such abuse cannot simply be ascribed to sectarian Shia control of the Interior Ministry. In fact, many of the most senior posts at the Ministry continue to be filled by ex-Baathists, including some of those most associated with suppression of the Shia rising that followed the first Gulf War.

The practice of torture at Interior Ministry facilities is in many ways the tip of the iceberg. For the last year hundreds of bodies - the apparent victims of extrajudicial executions - have been turning up across Iraq, especially Baghdad. Typically, the victims are bound and blindfolded and have been dispatched with shots to the head and chest. Many of them also bear the marks of brutal torture.

The only serious investigation to have been carried out within Iraq was by an Iraqi journalist, Yasser Salihee. He pointed to the hundreds of execution victims making their way through the Baghdad morgue and highlighted the fact that in many cases those victims are known to have been arrested by gunmen in police uniforms, sporting expensive police equipment, including vehicles, weapons and sophisticated radios. His final article was published on 27 June, three days after his own assassination at the hands of a US sniper, but his allegations echo those of Sunni groups, who have accused the government of state terrorism.

The majority of specific accusations have focused on a unit called the Wolf Brigade, attached to the Interior Ministry’s Special Police Commandos. This unit, formed in autumn last year, saw its first major action in Mosul in November 2004 in what seems to have been a serious clash with resistance fighters. Dozens of bodies began to appear on the streets as the commandos conducted sweeps of the city.

More recently, in July, the Wolf Brigade is known to have been responsible for an incident in which 11 bricklayers were seized at a Baghdad hospital and locked in the back of a police vehicle in searing heat for 16 hours. Ten of the men died and doctors carrying out a post mortem concluded that the victims had also been subjected to torture, including by electrocution.

Whilst death-squad-style killings are now generally acknowledged, the perpetrators are almost always claimed to belong to Shiite militias, perhaps under the control of a Shiite-dominated Interior Ministry. Even the Wolf Brigade is linked with sectarian violence, but the reality is that the Special Police Commandos are composed of ex special-forces and Republican Guard personnel and were established by former Baathists with long histories of involvement with the CIA, under the supervision of US counterinsurgency experts. One advisor was the same James Steele who previously commanded the US military mission in El Salvador at the height of that country’s unspeakably dirty civil war. There, Steele was responsible for creating the 'elite’ squads that accounted for the bulk of the army’s largely civilian casualties.

Another was Steven Casteel, the most senior US advisor within the Interior Ministry and the man who successfully negotiated the withdrawal of the Oregon National Guardsmen. Some of his experience was gained in Colombia, where he was involved in the Centra Spike operations, a data-collection exercise in which lists of the associates of cocaine baron Pablo Escobar were murdered by the Los Pepes death squads. Los Pepes went on to form the nucleus for the present murderous AUC.

The US, largely through the CIA, has a long history of involvement with genocidal intelligence operations, from Indonesia under Suharto, through Operation Phoenix in Vietnam, to present-day Colombia. The current mass arrests in Iraq and subsequent killings bear all the hallmarks of such an operation. By analogy, one can reasonably guess that the current flood of victims will include anyone opposing US hegemony, such as the hundreds of teachers and academics who have already been assassinated, as well as the human 'waste’ generated through 'heavy interrogation’. A further possibility is that ordinary Sunni Iraqis are deliberately being victimised as part of a strategy of fomenting sectarian strife designed to engineer the Balkanisation of Iraq. With that in mind, it is time to start asking hard questions about the role of the two British SAS men caught with a car load of explosives and accused by Iraqis of planning to attack a Shia religious festival.

According to The Guardian, one former Interior Ministry detainee claimed prisoners prayed to be transferred to Abu Ghraib. This is no commendation of US treatment of prisoners, but only highlights the fact that many of the worst crimes are reserved, as they have been in Latin America, for US proxies. In El Salvador Noam Chomsky noted that it was not enough for US-backed paramilitaries to kill someone; instead they might be decapitated and their head placed on a spike. In Iraq similar distinctions exist. The victims of US-trained death squads are not just humiliated; their eyes are gouged out, their skin is peeled off and electric drills are driven through their knees.
 

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Report drops Fallujah bombshell

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By Peter Popham and Anne Penketh

ROME: The controversy over the American use of white phosphorus as a weapon of war in Fallujah deepened yesterday when it was revealed that a US intelligence assessment had characterised WP as a "chemical weapon".

The Italian journalist who sparked the controversy, Sigfrido Ranucci, told a press conference in Rome that while a colleague was browsing American Defence Department websites he had stumbled on a declassified intelligence report from the first Gulf War.

The file was headed "Possible use of phosphorous chemical weapons by Iraq in Kurdish areas along the Iraqi-Turkish-Iranian borders".

The report was made in late February 1991 during the Iraqi crackdown on the Kurdish uprising that followed the coalition victory against Iraq.

"Iraqi forces loyal to President Saddam may have possibly used white phosphorous (WP) chemical weapons against Kurdish rebels and the populace in Erbil and Dohuk. "The WP chemical was delivered by artillery rounds and helicopter gunships."

The intelligence report added that "reports of possible WP chemical weapon attacks spread quickly among the populace in Erbil and Dohuk.

"As a result, hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled from these two areas across the border into Turkey".

Ranucci commented that "when Saddam used WP it was a chemical weapon but when the Americans use it, it's a conventional weapon. The injuries it inflicts, however, are just as terrible, however you describe it".

In the original RAI documentary, witnesses inside Fallujah during the November 2004 bombardment described the terror and excruciating agony suffered by victims of the shells fired by American artillery.

Two former US soldiers who fought at Fallujah told how they had been ordered to prepare to use the weapons.

The film and still photos posted on the website of the channel that made the film - rainews24.it - show the strange corpses discovered after the city's destruction.

Many of the skin on the bodies had apparently melted or caramelised so their features were indistinguishable.

Ranucci said he had seen "more than 100" of what he described as "anomalous corpses" in the city.

The US State Department and the Pentagon have shifted their position repeatedly in the aftermath of the film's showing.

After initially denying that US forces use WP as a weapon, the Pentagon said WP had been used against insurgents in Fallujah.

Military analysts said there remained questions about the official US position on its observance of the 1980 conventional weapons treaty which governs the use of WP as an incendiary weapon and sets prohibitions, such as its use on civilians.

Daryl Kimball, the director of the Arms Control Association in Washington, yesterday called for an independent investigation to scrutinise the US use of WP in Fallujah.

"If it was used as an incendiary weapon, clear restrictions apply," he said. "Given that the US and UK went into Iraq on the ground that Saddam Hussein had used chemical weapons against his own people, we need to make sure that we are not violating the laws that we have subscribed to." Although WP is classified as a conventional not a chemical weapon, its effects are chemical as well as merely thermal. The choking white smoke it produces is highly toxic, and causes severe burns internally and externally to anyone caught in its path.

Yesterday a further wrinkle was added to the row when Adam Mynott, a BBC correspondent posted to Nassiriya during the invasion of Iraq in April 2003, told Rai News 24 that he had seen WP apparently used as a weapon against insurgents in that city.

http://tinyurl.com/d4d34
 

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from above article:

Many of the skin on the bodies had apparently melted or caramelised so their features were indistinguishable.

Ranucci said he had seen "more than 100" of what he described as "anomalous corpses" in the city.


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