US Supreme Court allows some employers to drop contraception coverage from healthcare
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So, you feel that the government should have the ability to trample on the religious rights of some, correct?
What you're essentially proposing
Sure, whatever... Don't see what this has to do with the issue
Entirely relevant.... Exactly what rights are being denied here?... The inalienable right to have an employer pay for a benefit that you define?
What's wrong with religion in the marketplace... If the marketplace doesn't support it (or that business) they will be titters
Interesting analysis.... So, what should be the determining factor that is legislated for health plan coverage? I take it that religious angles are not acceptable, so does that mean that only non-religious angles be considered acceptable?
Your trying to play king-maker here Goober and in doing so, someone's 'rights' will get trampled on, so who is expendable here?
Religious beliefs being forced upon others in a free market economy. I thought you were for a free market?
Laws and Regs in a free market should apply evenly to all.
Religious beliefs are not being forced on anyone. The employees are FREE to get their coverage through a different provider, or pay for the contraception products out of their own pocket. Their choice. The way it was before, the employer was being FORCED to contravene their own religious beliefs. From your posts, I gather you have no problem with that.
Religion has no place in the free market. If they choose to participate, then adhere to the rules, regs and laws.
This whole argument makes my head hurt.
A lot of our Canadian posters have a limited understanding of how the US health care system actually works. I didn't before I lived it. I still don't in a lot of ways and rely on my wife to guide me.
Fact - aside from rubbers, many birth control options are prescribed by a doctor. This includes the pill and some IUDs.
Fact - the cost of prescriptions in the US is significantly higher than what is seen in Canada, because of the more consumer-friendly drug patent laws and easier access to generics in Canada.
Fact - some birth control drugs are also prescribed for reasons other than birth control (my younger sister was put on a pill to alleviate some other issues that were detrimental to her health)
Putting all these together, I can understand why "women's groups" are outraged by this decision. It is a form of sexual discrimination hiding behind the veil of religious belief.
When you couple this to the fact that making birth control harder to obtain, leads in to more unwanted pregnancies and in turn to more demand for abortions, the whole religion things confuses me even more: these "religious" people oppose abortion so they campaign for rulings that are likely to increase the demand for them? And please don't insult my intelligence with the whole "abstinence" BS: that doesn't even track in Christian schools, never mind the real world.
A lot of our Canadian posters have a limited understanding of how the US health care system actually works. I didn't before I lived it. I still don't in a lot of ways and rely on my wife to guide me.
Fact - aside from rubbers, many birth control options are prescribed by a doctor. This includes the pill and some IUDs.
Fact - the cost of prescriptions in the US is significantly higher than what is seen in Canada, because of the more consumer-friendly drug patent laws and easier access to generics in Canada.
Fact - some birth control drugs are also prescribed for reasons other than birth control (my younger sister was put on a pill to alleviate some other issues that were detrimental to her health)
Putting all these together, I can understand why "women's groups" are outraged by this decision. It is a form of sexual discrimination hiding behind the veil of religious belief.
When you couple this to the fact that making birth control harder to obtain, leads in to more unwanted pregnancies and in turn to more demand for abortions, the whole religion things confuses me even more: these "religious" people oppose abortion so they campaign for rulings that are likely to increase the demand for them? And please don't insult my intelligence with the whole "abstinence" BS: that doesn't even track in Christian schools, never mind the real world.
The free market is exactly that - free to support (or not) whatever they chose.
If you really believe that this is a religious issue, wouldn't it make sense to take a look at the demographics and then determine a path or formula?.... That's right, it wouldn't support your position, would it?
You are trying to pick winners and losers on this subject Goobs and the simple fact that legislation is involved (directly/indirectly) - someone or some group will have their rights trampled on.
So, who do you propose is to be more equal than the others?
Nope- Separation of Church and State.
They wish to play in the FM, then follow the laws, using religious beliefs is crap.
ahhhhhhh.... so if you are a person of faith, you can't own a business and have employees. I see. So it really isn't a "free market" then, is it.
So the "free market" has restrictions.
and you really need to look up what was meant by "Separation of Church and State", cause you ain't usin it right, bubba.
Nope Bubba.
No I am because now we have religion within a free market. And it can only grow.
No place for it.
If there's no place for it, then it isn't a "free market". There are restrictions as to who and how to operate, with the big one that YOU want to see happen, is restricting Faith based businesses.
If it's a "free market", then the employees also have the right not to work for a company that doesn't compensate them the way they feel they should be compensated. Customers have the right not to buy from a company that they don't agree with. What you are saying is that the government should step in and impose the morals and beliefs of others on the company owners. We're not talking about wages here, we are talking about benefits. Something that I don't think any government should be imposing on any company. If the Government wants minimum medical benefits to everyone, then rather than imposing on the individual company's, they should just grab the bull by the horns and take care of it themselves.
It does in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Perhaps the US wishes to follow their example?
Not when you bring a particular religious beliefs that impacts others.
You are clouded by your abortion stance.
Believe me, their understanding of U.S. health care is positively encyclopedic compared to their understanding of Constitutional law.
That's not a knock on Canadians, by the way. The Yanks are worse.
No, I am not. What I see here is an imposition and a restriction on someone of Faith's rights. I support contraception/prevention 100%. What I don't support is the trampling of someones religious rights to appease others who are, at most, being inconvenienced. They have other options.