US Kills Your Child in Afghanistan...You Get $1500
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Sorry, doesn't fly with me.
I know some Muslims....very peaceful.
Carpet bombing didn't work for the USSR or in Vietnam so I don't expect this to be very different.
As far as saving lives of our own people (troops) I am pretty sure I have a very exclusive belief on this and may shock you.
I really don't care about the people in Afghanistan or Iraq, if they want to kill each other they can go right ahead, we could pull out tomorrow, leave the country for dead and let the Arab League deal with this mess....it's there problem not my friends nephew...killed in combat.
Wouldn't be hard to control who gets in or out and perhaps in a few decades they will be ready to join the 21st century.
If of course one does get out and attacks us we could as you say carpet bomb the place or turn into a glass bowl.
I don't think that is the case, for the most part they just want us to mind our business and I am only to happy to oblige.
Take care Bear...hope the fish are biting for ya.;-)
I don't know, why don't you tell me...:lol:
That's all I could do.
I would otherwise agree, if it weren't for the fact that we were staring down a well armed military force, trying to get past us to kill the very people that just spat on me.
I'm of the mind set, that when someone is willing to taste cosmoline for my benefit, I'll kiss his ass!
It sure didn't stop the Muslims from slaughtering Serbs for the Nazi's either.
I dislike them for what they did to me, they dislike me, because I'm not Muslim...
You tell me who's more righteous.
muslim slaughtering serbs? are you sure you were doctor there? you behave just like teen not like an adult because a doctor should be more patient and humanist than others. your job is more universal but your mind is regional... i see all from your posts. don't angry with me
You may want to review your world history, paying close attention to WWII (LWF) and the Muslim Brotherhood. How they were allies of the Nazi's and were responsible for millions of deaths throughout the Balkans.
No need to be a Doctor, just be up to speed on reality and history.
:roll: I'm not angry in the least. I just don't need to be told much, from someone whose grasp of history, is even more dismal then MHz.
you think you know everything, may be i would aprreciate your knowledge of history but i cannot trust the knowledged and words of someone who justifies the serbs'massacre just showing the case in the history... i expected that you would say both massacre were just of rubbish, it shouldn't have been in any time... by the way , your knowledge about muslims' killing serbs is not true read the history again or read it in different view because hitler also hated Muslims...
Sure, this is from another thread.
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Quoting ironsides Of course we did. :roll:
You really did. Taliban Rising. -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia
"Though "Taliban" or "AGEs"--antigovernment elements-- are the catchall phrases used to describe Afghan insurgents, in provinces near Kabul like Logar, Wardak and Nangarhar, most of the guerrillas are actually members of Hezb-e-Islami, an old mujahedeen party led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. A pathologically ruthless commander, Hekmatyar got his start throwing acid at unveiled women when he was an engineering student in Kabul. In 1975 he formed Hezb-e-Islami with Pakistani support. First he fought the nationalist President Daoud Khan; then, after the Communist coup in 1978, he received more than $600 million in American military aid to fight the Russians.""
First off, I didn't justify it, I made mention of it as a pertinent part of the regions history. And you surely don't have to take my word for it, look it up, it's documented history.
You're right, they should never have taken place, but they did, so you have to understand that that will have long lasting retributions throughout the areas sociopolitical future.
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http://forums.canadiancontent.net/wreck-beach/55342-nazi-roots-hatred-arab-world.html
i know that ! They were Arabians who shared the same interest with Hitler in those times ,they even betrayed Ottoman Empire but Muslims in Europe whom Hitler hated weren't Arabian... you think every one who is Muslim is Arabian , i am also Muslim but not Arabian and very proud of being Turk
if you think that detail ,you can save your knowledge of history from being rubbish ;-)
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:lol:i know that ! They are Arabians who shared the same interest with Hitler in those times ,they even betrayed to Ottoman Empire but Muslims in Europa whom Hitler hated weren't Arabian... you think every one who is Muslim is Arabian , i am also Muslim but not Arabian and very proud to be Turk
Your command of the English language is only surpassed by your grasp of history...
So long selin. This conversation is over. I prefer to discuss with people who dwell in the realm of reality.
Yes they did, they were financing them prior to the USSR coming in. Getting the facts in order is just as important as getting the facts themselves. Your version is more spin than fact.
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Mujaheddin
In April 1978, the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) seized power in Afghanistan in reaction to a crackdown against the party by that country's repressive government.
The PDPA was committed to a radical land reform that favoured the peasants, trade union rights, an expansion of education and social services, equality for women and the separation of church and state. The PDPA also supported strengthening Afghanistan's relationship with the Soviet Union.
Such policies enraged the wealthy semi-feudal landlords, the Muslim religious establishment (many mullahs were also big landlords) and the tribal chiefs. They immediately began organizing resistance to the government's progressive policies, under the guise of defending Islam.
Washington, fearing the spread of Soviet influence (and worse the new government's radical example) to its allies in Pakistan, Iran and the Gulf states, immediately offered support to the Afghan mujaheddin, as the “contra” force was known.
Following an internal PDPA power struggle in December 1979 which toppled Afghanistan's leader, thousands of Soviet troops entered the country to prevent the new government's fall. This only galvanized the disparate fundamentalist factions. Their reactionary jihad now gained legitimacy as a “national liberation” struggle in the eyes of many Afghans.
The Soviet Union was eventually to withdraw from Afghanistan in 1989 and the mujaheddin captured the capital, Kabul, in 1992.
Between 1978 and 1992, the US government poured at least US$6 billion (some estimates range as high as $20 billion) worth of arms, training and funds to prop up the mujaheddin factions. Other Western governments, as well as oil-rich Saudi Arabia, kicked in as much again. Wealthy Arab fanatics, like Osama bin Laden, provided millions more.
Washington's policy in Afghanistan was shaped by US President Jimmy Carter's national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and was continued by his successors. His plan went far beyond simply forcing Soviet troops to withdraw; rather it aimed to foster an international movement to spread Islamic fanaticism into the Muslim Central Asian Soviet republics to destabilize the Soviet Union.
Brzezinski's grand plan coincided with Pakistan military dictator General Zia ul-Haq's own ambitions to dominate the region. US-run Radio Liberty and Radio Free Europe beamed Islamic fundamentalist tirades across Central Asia (while paradoxically denouncing the “Islamic revolution” that toppled the pro-US Shah of Iran in 1979).
Washington's favoured mujaheddin faction was one of the most extreme, led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. The West's distaste for terrorism did not apply to this unsavory “freedom fighter”. Hekmatyar was notorious in the 1970's for throwing acid in the faces of women who refused to wear the veil.
After the mujaheddin took Kabul in 1992, Hekmatyar's forces rained US-supplied missiles and rockets on that city — killing at least 2000 civilians — until the new government agreed to give him the post of prime minister. Osama bin Laden was a close associate of Hekmatyar and his faction.
Hekmatyar was also infamous for his side trade in the cultivation and trafficking in opium. Backing of the mujaheddin from the CIA coincided with a boom in the drug business. Within two years, the Afghanistan-Pakistan border was the world's single largest source of heroin, supplying 60% of US drug users.
In 1995, the former director of the CIA's operation in Afghanistan was unrepentant about the explosion in the flow of drugs: “Our main mission was to do as much damage as possible to the Soviets... There was a fallout in terms of drugs, yes. But the main objective was accomplished. The Soviets left Afghanistan.”"
How the CIA created Osama bin Laden
Here, just so you don't look so stupid in the fture, puruse some of this info. It will stop people from handing you your ass ad nauseum.
And just to show you I have no hard feelings, here's a some more history for you to learn ,so the next time you won't have your ass handed to you, again...
Albanian Fascist Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Carl Savich Column on Serbianna.com | Front Page
YouTube - History Of The Albanian Nazi SS Skanderbeg Division
http://www.shkoshiko.net/video/EAxr...anian_Muslim_Nazi_SS_Skanderbeg_Division.html
Kosovar Albanian Nazi Past: The Untold Story [Archive] - Military Photos
Muslim Brotherhood: The roots of the Pan-Islamic Jihad and wars in Sudan, Palestine, Bosnia, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Algeria
That should take you about 10 minutes to ignore...:lol:
Look up the meaning of installed and get back to me.
If I remember correctly, you argued with me months ago about who, what and when the Mujahadeen came from. If memory serves me correct, it took me some time to get you to understand that there is not just one faction of the Mujahadeen and that the US was funding the one operating in Afghanistan at the time.
So you'll have to excuse me while I laugh at you for trying to look like you know something...:lol:
I think your memory might be failing you, I only found this link quite recently, it is a lot more detailed than the wiki history I linked to when talking to Colpy about the Taliban's roots. The faction they funded is explained quite well, it was to disrupt social reforms, like adopting UN guidelines to human rights, sort of clashed with what they were supporting in other Nations. Laugh away, that is what usually happens when there is no comeback to the facts as stated in the article.
You guys are getting so predictable in your avoidance techniques.
ohh, thanks a lot ,CDNbear
but i see that my English is not bad as you think ,look at yourself! how kind you were and how kind(!) you are my English is good enough to make you angry:lol:my dear ,do you think the sources of wikipedia , serbians column or any other are so reliable ? i read also documentaries in other countries by the means of my friend ...by the way ,you insist on giving some links i have read before ;-)
good bye , it is very tiring to speak to you ... i hope you are retired...
It's not avoidance, I find it funny that you of all people feel the need to preach at moi. You're preaching at the choir.
I am well aware of American involvement in Afghanistan. The who's, what's, where's and when's.
But as usual, you still haven't figured out where you went wrong, so be it...have a nice day. :lol:
:lol:ohh, thanks a lot ,CDNbear
my dear ,do you think the sources of wikipedia , serbians column or any other are so reliable ? i read also documentaries in other countries by the means of my friend ...by the way ,you insist on giving some links i have read before ;-)
good bye , it is very tiring to speak to you ... i hope you are retired...
I don't think there is any excuse for killing civilians on purpose, that would mean my sanity is still on track. It is the one that wants to carpet bomb civilian areas that is the one who is off-course from remaining human.
Later, much