US Invasion of Iraq-Updates

no1important

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America is the only "western" country that has it. It really has controlled the crime down there hasn't it.:roll:

Capital Punishment is not a deterent. Neo cons just think it is.

no current death penalty statute: Alaska, Hawaii, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Vermont, West Virginia, Wisconsin, District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico.

Kansas
(On December 17 2004, the death penalty statute of Kansas was declared unconstitutional),

New York
(On June 24 2004, the death penalty statute of New York was declared unconstitutional)

So only 36 states out of 52 (counting D.C.and P.R.) Plus feds have it. 117 countries world wide do not.
 

GL Schmitt

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no1important said:
America is the only "western" country that has it. It really has controlled the crime down there hasn't it. . . .

Perhaps a Visual Aid would help

 

no1important

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Your map is slightly diferent than mine but pretty well similar.



* Colour scheme:
* Blue: Abolished for all crimes
* Green: Abolished for crimes not committed in exceptional circumstances (such as crimes committed in time of war)
* Orange: Abolitionist in Practice
* Red: Legal Form of Punishment
 

Nascar_James

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The maps prove that may nations around the globe support Capital Punishment. It is not a US only phenomena. You have a majority of countries in Africa, Middle East and Asia that support the death penalty. Most of these countries have little regard for the worst criminals in our society (convicted murderers) as they should. They would rather execute a convicted killer than kill an innocent unborn baby. Only in the US, Canada, Europe and Russia and China is abortion legal. Most of central/south America, Africa (with the exception of South Africa), asia (with the exception of China), and Middle East all prohibit abortions. In most cases it is only allowed to save the life of the mother.
 

Reverend Blair

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So you want to be juxst like the fundamentalist Middle East, James? The developed world does not have the death penalty. The developed world does not restrict a woman's right to choose.

After seeing what happened in New Orleans, considering George Bush's policies, and comparing the death penalty maps, there is little doubt that the USA is currently striving to become a third world nation.
 

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US Embassy in Baghdad inquires into reports that American troops in Iraq have mutinied against their officers
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September 4, 2005 -- US Embassy in Baghdad inquires into reports that American troops in Iraq have mutinied against their officers. WMR has learned that the US embassy in Baghdad is checking into reports that U.S. troops in Iraq, including National Guardsmen, Army and Marine Corps Reserves, and regular military troops from Louisiana and Mississippi, have mutinied against their officers and are demanding to be immediately sent back home to help their families. It is not known whether the reported mutinies involve physical violence. The reports of rebellions among U.S. troops are filtering out of the Green Zone and at Baghdad International Airport from Iraqis who are working alongside their American counterparts at both locations.





:: Article nr. 15395 sent on 05-sep-2005 02:17 ECT


could just be a "rumor" or ??????
 

Nascar_James

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Reverend Blair said:
So you want to be juxst like the fundamentalist Middle East, James? The developed world does not have the death penalty. The developed world does not restrict a woman's right to choose.

After seeing what happened in New Orleans, considering George Bush's policies, and comparing the death penalty maps, there is little doubt that the USA is currently striving to become a third world nation.

Absolutely not Rev. The US is nothing like the middle east. I was using it and Africa as examples of of continents that support the death penalty, in that the US is not alone.

As for all of the developed world supporting abortions, not true, not true at all, far from it. Australia and New Zealand, last I looked was part of the developed world, and you cannot get an abortion in those countries. Also, many European countries are pro-Life as well. My hats go of to those countries, they truly respect human life. Example, in Portugal, abortions are illegal and you will wind up in jail if attempting to perform or involved in abortion in any way.
Last I checked, in Ireland, a country after my own heart, a true Catholic country, abortions are not tolerated. The UK also has very strict laws on abortion, that it is practically illegal there as well. Not to mention Spain, where it is also illegal. Poland also outlaws abortions. Abortions are also illegal in switzerland as well. Finland like the UK has severe restrictions on abortions, that it is very hard to get an abortion there.

Also within the US, abortions are not so clear cut. In some states, it will not be possible to get abortions. 16 states still have pre-1973 anti-abortion laws on the books. Those are states that truly respect human life. As an example .. state of Missouri ...

In Webster v. Reproductive Health Services, 492 U.S. 490 (1989), the Supreme Court declared in a 5:4 decision that a Missouri law was constitutional. It stated that: Human life began at conception, That Missouri state property could not be used to conduct abortions, and A fetal viability assessment could be required before late term abortions are performed.

The US is far from becoming a thrid world nation. Most immigrants choose to come to the US than any other place in the world. It is the country of opportunity, no third world nation. The US beats Canada hands down when it comes to jobs, just compare the unemployment rates in both countries.
 

Reverend Blair

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You are a third world nation in all but wealth, James. Look at he hallmarks...little respect for human life, allowing religion to dictate governmental policy, massive disparity between rich and poor, militaristic foreign policy, massive federal debt, massive personal debt, environment teetering on the brink of collapse, declining educational standards, lack of access to health care and other social programs, massive subsidies for corporations.

If you guys don't smarten up, you'll be looking like Somalia in the next couple of decades. I know you don't think that can happen, but there have been massive collapses of superpowers before and they all followed the same basic pattern you are following. Ask the Romans.

Hmmm...maybe you should change your name to Nascar Nero and take up the fiddle.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Ya know , rev.... some people find it just too threatening to acknowledge that they have some serious problems in their "land of the free/home of the brave" nation. Many simply do not want to consider it at all. Most just use selective listening to the information available .......and there fore function on selective knowledge base. one can only pity them...... for the truth(s) evade them...
 

Reverend Blair

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We have the same type up here, Ocean. I was talking to somebody the other night that denied that the Winnipeg City Police treat natives different than they treat the rest of us. I used to work with this guy in a poor part of town and I know damned well that he's seen the way natives are treated by the cops, but he won't admit it.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Reverend Blair said:
We have the same type up here, Ocean. I was talking to somebody the other night that denied that the Winnipeg City Police treat natives different than they treat the rest of us. I used to work with this guy in a poor part of town and I know damned well that he's seen the way natives are treated by the cops, but he won't admit it.

I believe ya. We have them here too. Seems living in denial works for them. Some truths can be quite ugly and embarrassing to face up to./admit to oneself.


( the truth CAN set "them " free ......if they permit themselves to face it.----but some simply will not . Choices..)
 

Nascar_James

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Reverend Blair said:
You are a third world nation in all but wealth, James. Look at he hallmarks...little respect for human life, allowing religion to dictate governmental policy, massive disparity between rich and poor, militaristic foreign policy, massive federal debt, massive personal debt, environment teetering on the brink of collapse, declining educational standards, lack of access to health care and other social programs, massive subsidies for corporations.

Not so Rev. The Bush policy on abortion proves that we do indeed have respect for human life, the most valuable of all human life, our youngest.

Also, you noted that we allow Religion to dictate govn't policy. If a majority of the Citizens want to have an interface between their faith and the government, then so be it. The same can be said about Canada's ties to the Queen. Why doesn't the Canadian govn't sever ties to the Queen?

There is also a massive disparity between rich and poor in Canada as well (even with the high taxes ... and now that is unacceptable). With a few exceptions, this is true in all developed countries.

As for the militaristic foreign policy, the US is doing the right thing. We have every right to defend our freedom and national security. We will not surrender and we sure as hell don't back away from an attack.

As for the massive federal debt, the smart and strategic approach is to get the money and assets working for you first and not just using it to repay a debt.

In regards to the environment, many states here have emissions control checks for older vehicles every couple of years. Don't know about other cities in Canada, but when I was living in Montreal, it was a free-for-all. There were guys there with old cars emitting all kinds of black smog.

As for educational standards, on higher education, we have better Colleges/Universities than Canada (ex. Harvard, MIT ...etc). When it comes to lower education, President Bush passed the No Child Left Behind Act on January 8, 2002. This act drastically improved the acheivement of students from every background, and especially improving literacy skills.

As to the lack of access to health care and other social programs, heath care here does not involve a 5 hour wait to get stitches as it does in some cities in Canada. For those who do not have health insurance here when in need of services, are taken to facilities that offer them health care with no charge. I could not believe how efficient emergency rooms are here. No patients left in cooridoors like you have in Canada. I always thought that was unacceptable. What kind of hospitals leave it's patients lingering in cooridoors for days without putting them in a room.

When it comes to massive subsities to corporations, you are correct. Many corporations here pay very little in Federal taxes and there is a good reason. They will have more money to hire more workers and more money to invest in more work.

Reverend Blair said:
If you guys don't smarten up, you'll be looking like Somalia in the next couple of decades. I know you don't think that can happen, but there have been massive collapses of superpowers before and they all followed the same basic pattern you are following. Ask the Romans.

I say the chances of that happening are about as likely as the chances of finding a snowball in hell. We have the best strategists who forsee any such scenarios (or in this case, lack of).

Reverend Blair said:
Hmmm...maybe you should change your name to Nascar Nero and take up the fiddle.

I prefer "Emperor James". It has a nice ring to it.
 

Reverend Blair

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Play that fiddle, Nascar Nero. It won't do you any good in the end.

Don't even mention democracy though...not when you support the tenets of theocracy.
 

Ocean Breeze

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The Bush policy on abortion proves that we do indeed have respect for human life, the most valuable of all human life, our youngest.


did you REALLY say that the bush policies have respect for HUMAN LIFE???


are we talking about the same bush and the same policies???


(the same bush (criminal) that continues for some unknown reason to occupy the oval office???? the one that LIES through his teeth to get what he wants??? THAT one??? The one that orders fine American troops to KILL innocents in a far off nation and themselves for a few serious LIES ???? The one that takes his time to compute the gravity of two situations now.....9-11 and Katrina disaster ???? The same bush that panders to his faithful religious followers with his pre-historic abortion policies???

THAT one???

because the one described above has NO respect/regard for human life. No psychopathic personality type does.
 

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The Bush policy on abortion proves that we do indeed have respect for human life, the most valuable of all human life, our youngest.
:laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6:
 

Ocean Breeze

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jjw1965 said:
The Bush policy on abortion proves that we do indeed have respect for human life, the most valuable of all human life, our youngest.
:laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6:


absolutely jj. Un-fecking-believable... :wink:
 

jjw1965

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Why I defend President Bush? There ain't no mystery there, OB. Unlike Canada, President Bush believes in freedom, will fight for it, beleives in a nation under God indivisible, which is more than I could say for Canada. Also, I am a traditionalist, I want to raise my family with values that were passed down many generations and find it is getting harder to do that in Canada. Also, the President's views on abortion and capital punishment reflect the views of my family and most Americans. In Canada, society is taking a turn for the worst, many folks through the last several decades have given up their faith. No so here.
President Bush believes in freedom
Using The Patriot Act To Target Patriots
Beleives in a nation under God indivisible
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In Canada, society is taking a turn for the worst, many folks through the last several decades have given up their faith. No so here.
New Gallup data show that the public's negative views about the economy are only becoming more negative. Here's the lead paragraph from their report on these data:

"The latest Gallup survey finds Americans to be the most pessimistic they have been in two years about where the economy is headed. Today, 61% say the economy is getting worse, while just 31% say better—a net negative 30 percentage points. That is the worst rating since early March 2003—just prior to the beginning of the war in Iraq—when Americans gave the economy a net negative rating of 44 points, with 67% saying the economy was getting worse and only 23% saying better."

The data in the report also show that independents are particularly pessimistic about economic conditions. Among independents, 78 percent say that the economic conditions are only fair or poor, compared to 68 percent among the public as a whole. And independents believe by an incredible 69 percent to 22 percent margin—a net negative forty-seven points—that the economy is getting worse rather than better
 

Ocean Breeze

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Beleives in a nation under God indivisible


this just gotta be one of the "better " ones. :wink:

What bush supposedly "believes" and the reality .......evidences a strangely WIDE gap. The nation under bush is seriously divided.....er.....divisible. And it is "Under bush ", that is relevant , not under some supernatural being as it is bush that is running the show.........well, sort of... :roll:

sheesh, it wasn't "God" that started the insanity in Iraq. ....lest we stray too far from the pesky Iraq issue....

metaphors and catch phrases are the way of the bush regime..... because they can't formulate viable paragraphs, statements to make their points... (or lack of)


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many folks through the last several decades have given up their faith.
hmmm. kinda hope they are evolving beyond simple faith/beliefs and group mentality into rational, reasonable, logical and scientific thought. --
 

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I see Nascar's never heard of Bohemian Grove hey Nascar thats where the Bush family goes to worship Mollech 8O Real christian like wake up ya yutz :roll: