US Invasion of Iraq-Updates

[no1important]

Church: God Punishing GIs Over Gays

Nut Jobs if you ask me.

 

[PoisonPete2]

Re: RE: US Invasion of Iraq-U

interference in their countries.

Oh really? The terrorists attacked us in our country on 9/11, and now we are going after them wherever they are hiding. They started the war and now we are finishing it!

what a whiner. Read with some discernment and you'd realize that the 9/11 attacks did not occur in a vaccuum. The targets included the financial centre, which held so many in economic subjegation while ripping off their resources, and the military centre, which supported tyranny in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuiwait etc. and the outlawed occupation of Palastine by Israel. These 9/11 terrorists had nothing to do with Iraq. They were mostly Saudi and financed by Saudi Arabia. Why wasn't Saudi Arabia the country attacked? Answer that question instead of weaseling around. Why is Egypt not pressured to become Democratic? Because the Islamisists would win and declare an Islamic state. That is what will happen in Iraq if those poor people are ever allowed self-determination. I'm sick of the concept of 'collateral damage' when the aim is wholesale slaughter of civilians such as in Faluja. The U.S. government is concentrated evil. Canada should move toward disengagement with these criminals.

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: US Invasion of Iraq-U

interference in their countries.

Oh really? The terrorists attacked us in our country on 9/11, and now we are going after them wherever they are hiding. They started the war and now we are finishing it!

what a whiner. Read with some discernment and you'd realize that the 9/11 attacks did not occur in a vaccuum. The targets included the financial centre, which held so many in economic subjegation while ripping off their resources, and the military centre, which supported tyranny in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuiwait etc. and the outlawed occupation of Palastine by Israel. These 9/11 terrorists had nothing to do with Iraq. They were mostly Saudi and financed by Saudi Arabia. Why wasn't Saudi Arabia the country attacked? Answer that question instead of weaseling around. Why is Egypt not pressured to become Democratic? Because the Islamisists would win and declare an Islamic state. That is what will happen in Iraq if those poor people are ever allowed self-determination. I'm sick of the concept of 'collateral damage' when the aim is wholesale slaughter of civilians such as in Faluja. The U.S. government is concentrated evil. Canada should move toward disengagement with these criminals.

Firstly, the Saudia Arabian authorities have their own forces for handling the terroists. They have justifiably banned Bin Laden from ever entering the country (his birth country). Secondly, this isn't a conventional war against a country. It is a war against terrorism. The terrorists attacked us on 9/11 and we are going after them wherever they may be. We have every right to do so.

 

[Jo Canadian]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I think I may have posted this before, but it's a classic that should go into this thread :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[PoisonPete2]

Re: RE: US Invasion of Iraq-U

interference in their countries.

Firstly, the Saudia Arabian authorities have their own forces for handling the terroists. They have justifiably banned Bin Laden from ever entering the country (his birth country). Secondly, this isn't a conventional war against a country. It is a war against terrorism. The terrorists attacked us on 9/11 and we are going after them wherever they may be. We have every right to do so.

Answer - It is the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia who financed terrorists and their training camps. The U.S. was the main supplier of their arms. Now, the 19 terrorists who attacked on 9/11 are all dead. They all died on 9/11. So those attackers are no more. They are deceased. They are ex-terrorists, but America has to beat up on someone right?
Bin Laudin was a latecomer to the 9/11 activity but may have had some prior knowledge and maybe provided some financial backing. But that money flowed from the House of Saud and the C.I.A. through the I.C.I of Pakistan. By the way the Saudis protected Bin Laudin from the Americans. They probably regret that now as he wants to topple the House of Saud, but they still see him as an asset. Now your country has murdered 10s of thousands of innocent citizens in a war of naked aggression. That makes the U.S. government the biggest bunch of terrorists in the world. Stop it and learn how to be civilized. Don't you see what is happening in your own country? Follow the money. See who is making the profit off all this fearmongering. There is your enemy and it is yourself (your government).

 

[PoisonPete2]

Re: RE: US Invasion of Iraq-U

If somebody repeatedly killed your people and put in puppet dictators, what would you do, NASCAR?

Rev, in a war we will unfortunately always have civilian casualties, it has happened in any war. It can't be avoided. As to the puppet dictators, Iraq had an election not long ago, and despite attempts by the terrorists to disrupt it, the people of Iraq were able to exercise their right to vote, and they have picked their leaders.

Answer - as in Viche France in WWII, a government formed during an occupation is not legit. The leader of Iraq is Saddam Huissen, currently captive of the invading army and their Iraqi lapdogs. The American occupiers have provided the scenerio for civil war on religious lines. They manipulated Hussein into power originally to prevent just such an outcome. Go figure.

 

[mrmom2]

Feck Poison you got to post more your a good read 8)

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: US Invasion of Iraq-U

interference in their countries.

Firstly, the Saudia Arabian authorities have their own forces for handling the terroists. They have justifiably banned Bin Laden from ever entering the country (his birth country). Secondly, this isn't a conventional war against a country. It is a war against terrorism. The terrorists attacked us on 9/11 and we are going after them wherever they may be. We have every right to do so.

Answer - It is the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia who financed terrorists and their training camps. The U.S. was the main supplier of their arms. Now, the 19 terrorists who attacked on 9/11 are all dead. They all died on 9/11. So those attackers are no more. They are deceased. They are ex-terrorists, but America has to beat up on someone right?
Bin Laudin was a latecomer to the 9/11 activity but may have had some prior knowledge and maybe provided some financial backing. But that money flowed from the House of Saud and the C.I.A. through the I.C.I of Pakistan. By the way the Saudis protected Bin Laudin from the Americans. They probably regret that now as he wants to topple the House of Saud, but they still see him as an asset. Now your country has murdered 10s of thousands of innocent citizens in a war of naked aggression. That makes the U.S. government the biggest bunch of terrorists in the world. Stop it and learn how to be civilized. Don't you see what is happening in your own country? Follow the money. See who is making the profit off all this fearmongering. There is your enemy and it is yourself (your government).

There was videotaped evidence that Bin Laden was directly responsible for financing and planning the 9/11 terrorist attack.

 

[mrmom2]

You believe that I got some great swamp land I'll sell you :roll:

 

[PoisonPete2]

Re: RE: US Invasion of Iraq-U

interference in their countries.

There was videotaped evidence that Bin Laden was directly responsible for financing and planning the 9/11 terrorist attack.

Answer - are you referring to Bin Laudin's interview some 3 months after 9/11. Gee, have you ever heard of bear-baiting? Making false claims to raise your profile. He is now a hero to the millions of oppressed people through the Middle East.

Are you suggesting that if something is on videotape it becomes evidence? Then you should be seeking the impeachment of your president. Lying to Congress is a high crime.

Do you know the nature of these 'terror cells'. There is little vertical integration or centralized planning. Very earnest and dedicated persons think of grand ideas and then gather others of similar mind to put the ideas into action. If Yuseff (?) had more money he could have brought down the Trade Centre, but he only had $400 so he did what he could. His buddy actually returned the escape car for the deposit from the rental company.

American policy is creating a world of terrorists.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-08-31-voa4.cfm


Stampede of death...

 

[no1important]

RE: US Invasion of Iraq-U

Iraq war 'costlier than Vietnam'

But I guess we all knew this.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

640 Dead in Iraq: the Never-Ending Depravity of the Bush Neocons
Kurt Nimmo, Another Day in the Empire


August 31, 2005

Blame the disgusting neocons and Bush for the death of 640 people (expected to eventually reach over a thousand), mostly women and children, killed during a religious festival in Baghdad. If not for Bush's invasion and occupation, there would be no suicide bombers in Iraq and people would not be drinking poisoned juice and food, suffocating in panic-stricken crowds, or jumping to their death into the Tigris River from a bridge after somebody shouted there was a suicide bomber in the crowd. Before Bush's criminal father and the don of the New World Order invaded the country fifteen years ago, Iraq was a modern Arab country with the best health care and educational systems in the Middle East. Sure, they were ruled by a brutal dictator, but his depredations against political enemies paled in comparison to the interminable brutality suffered by the Iraqi people under occupation and the Bushzarro world version of democracy.

Blame, as well, the stepfordized Bush supporters with their flags made in China contra the Cindy Sheehan demonstrators outside of Bush's faux cowboy ranch in Crawford, Texas. Blame the stalker Hiram Lewis IV, a Captain and JAG officer in the West Virginia Army National Guard and a GOP candidate for the U.S. Senate from West Virginia, who declares he will "dog" Cindy Sheehan's steps as she treks from Texas to Washington. "My mission is to persuade Cindy Sheehan to meet with an Iraq War Veteran such as myself and answer my questions about why she is encouraging the terrorists, endangering our men and women in uniform, and lowering troop morale," Lewis told RightMarch, a right-wing organization sponsored by the Christian Communication Network.

Cindy, of course, is doing nothing of the sort, although Lewis and the Bush supporters are prolonging and perpetuating massive human rights violations in Iraq and encouraging an atmosphere that leads to chaos and the death of 640 Muslim worshippers in Baghdad. "Capt. Lewis wants to make sure Mrs. Sheehan supports what her son wanted to do -- see the job through in Iraq," babbles RightMarch. "Finally, Capt. Lewis wants to rally support to our continued success in Operation Iraqi Freedom while helping protesters understand how their efforts lower morale and endanger our troops' lives."

If indeed the protests of Cindy Sheehan and others "lower morale" of soldiers (or more accurately gets them thinking about how their unconscionable participation in the neocon plan to wreck Muslim society and culture is in fact a crime against humanity), more power to them. Bush's troops are endangered by freedom fighters in Iraq, not by anything Sheehan says or does. Chances are pretty good the average Iraqi resistance fighter, living on the run and from hand to mouth, knows absolutely nothing about Cindy Sheehan. He does know about trigger-happy yahoo troops kicking in doors at three in the morning and slaughtering entire families at Israeli-styled checkpoints. He also probably knows the tension between Sunnis and Shi'as benefits the occupation, not the people of Iraq, and the death of hundreds of Shi'ites during a religious festival feeds right into the strategy of chaos engineered by Lewis' bosses in the Pentagon.

It's expensive to kill all these people and pitch the remainder into misery and desperation, as planned by the Straussian-Machiavellian neocons. "The U.S. war in Iraq now costs more per month than the average monthly cost of military operations in Vietnam in the 1960s and 1970s, according to a report issued on Wednesday," reports Reuters. "The report, entitled 'The Iraq Quagmire' from the Institute for Policy Studies and Foreign Policy in Focus, both liberal, anti-war organizations, put the cost of operations in Iraq at $5.6 billion per month."

It should be noted the Institute for Policy Studies and Foreign Policy in Focus works closely with the globalist Ford Foundation to gatekeep leftists and other progressives who are blissfully unaware of the fact the globalists run the show on both sides of the political fence. Even so, the information released by the Institute for Policy Studies and Foreign Policy in Focus should be considered a bellwether, an indicator of how determined the neocon faction of the neoliberal milieu will go to bankrupt the United States in order to achieve their goal of sowing chaos and discord into target communities, thus softening them up for a new Sykes-Picot, carving up the Arab and Muslim Middle East and viciously attacking Islam, an integral part of the "clash of civilizations" paradigm.

But then impoverishing the American people, and thus reducing them to peons beholden to the neoliberal gentry, is also a long-term part of the plan. Americans may believe the sort of chaos that results in the stampeding and drowning of hundreds of Iraqis is a distant and horrific reality that does not affect them, but the day is not far off (as the economy crumbles and gas prices shoot through the ceiling) when Americans may be queuing up in dangerous and hostile crowds in order to get their daily ration of food. Insert an agent provocateur in the crowd and have him scream "suicide bomber" (or "al-Qaeda terrorist") and the result will be about the same as what happened in Baghdad.

endless depravety of the bushcon (criminal ) gang.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Iraq Confirms 965 Victims of Baghdad Stampede



Politics
The death toll in the stampede on a Baghdad bridge Wednesday went up to 965, with another 465 injured.

This toll does not include 25 other people who died by eating food poisoned "on purpose" and seven killed by mortar bombs before the stampede that sparked a sense of panic amongst the pilgrims, sources said.

A health ministry official earlier expected the death toll to hit 1,000.

In Iraq's deadliest day since the US-led war of March 2003, hundreds of women, children and elderly people were trampled underfoot or jumped to their deaths from the bridge after a deadly mortar strike on a Shiite shrine.

Iraq declared three days of mourning after the deadly stampede in Baghdad.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Iraq carries out first post-Saddam hangings By Alastair Macdonald
Thu Sep 1, 1:23 PM ET



BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq hanged three convicted criminals on Thursday, the first time the government has carried out the death penalty since the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003, government spokesman Laith Kubba said.

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The executions could pave the way for similar death sentences against Saddam and senior aides awaiting trial.

"At 10 a.m. in Baghdad the first executions were carried out since the fall of the regime, against three criminals," Kubba told a news conference.

He said Bayan Ahmed Said, Uday Dawood Salman and Dhahar Jasim Hassan were hanged in Baghdad. He declined to say exactly where. The men's ages were not available.

It was not clear who carried out the execution. Hanging, applied in Iraq under British colonial rule, is not a simple procedure since it is meant to break the neck to ensure a quick death. It was not clear if an executioner trained under Saddam had conducted it.

Iraq's three-man presidency had signed the death sentences for the three men, found guilty by a criminal court in Wasit province in southeast Iraq of murder, kidnapping and rape.

President Jalal Talabani, a Kurd, excused himself on personal moral grounds from signing the death warrant but delegated his powers to one of his two vice-presidents.

Thousands of Iraqis have died violently since the 2003 U.S. invasion, with insurgents battling U.S. troops and the U.S.- backed government. Ordinary crime has also become rampant.

European governments and human rights groups had hoped the death penalty would be outlawed in Iraq after the U.S. invasion ended the rule of the Baath party, accused of killing hundreds of thousands of people.

But Iraqi leaders and their U.S. sponsors have other views.

"This is not an easy thing to do," Kubba said. "Despite all the condemnation from states who want us to abolish capital punishment, I think capital punishment will help us deter some criminals."

Amnesty International expressed dismay at the hangings.

"The executions paint a grim picture for what may become the future of Iraq," said Nicole Choueiry, a spokeswoman for the human rights group.

"They bring back bad memories from the days of the rule of Saddam Hussein and it is sad to see the new Iraq marks its beginning with the execution of three people."

President Bush supports the death penalty, and has said he favors death for Saddam Hussein if he is convicted in a trial expected to begin later this year.

Talabani has said that he would never sign a death sentence against anyone, including Saddam himself.

 

[JomZ]

Big suprise, President Bush supports the Death Penalty.

 

[PoisonPete2]

Quote "Talabani has said that he would never sign a death sentence against anyone, including Saddam himself.'

Answer - sounds to be a weasely coward, not standing up for his convictions, but bowing out so others can apply barbaric Law. Texas, under George Bush murdered more people than any other state. Of course he would like to see SH swing cos that bad man called for an assassination of his papa. Of course this was after papa tried to bomb SH. Maybe, if the Americans actually ever get the heuvos to impeach Bush they should send him to Syria for 'questioning'.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Special AP Report Reveals Fresh Details on Iraq WMD Controversy
E&P Staff


September 02, 2005

NEW YORK- An extraordinary recap of U.S. claims about weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq, to be moved by the Associated Press this weekend, reveals new details about the pre-war misstatements and the desperate efforts by American officials and CIA chief George Tenet to actually find the weapons after the war.

The lengthy report, written by Charles J. Hanley, AP special correspondent, is based on fresh interviews, official documents and other sources.

"There was an absolutely closed mind," Kay tells AP, referring to American officials. "They would not look at alternative explanations,” he said, referring specifically to controversies surrounding the aluminum tubes and bio-weapons trailers.

The article opens with a remarkable, and previously unreported scene, from February 2004, after months that found U.S. weapons inspectors, including Kay, failing to find any WMDs at all.

“Beneath the giant dome of a Baghdad palace, facing his team of scientists and engineers, George Tenet sounded more like a football coach than a spymaster, a coach who didn't know the game was over,” Hanley writes.

"’Are we 85 percent done? the CIA boss demanded. The arms hunters knew what he wanted to hear. ‘No!’ they shouted back. ‘Let me hear it again!’ They shouted again. The weapons are out there, Tenet insisted. Go find them.

”Veteran inspector Rod Barton couldn't believe his ears. ‘It was nonsense,’ the Australian biologist said of that February evening last year, when the then-chief of U.S. intelligence secretly flew to Baghdad and dropped in on the lakeside Perfume Palace, chandelier-hung home of the Iraq Survey Group.

"’It wasn't that we didn't know the major answers,’ recalled Barton, whose account matched that of another key participant. ‘Are there WMD in the country? We knew the answers.’

”In fact, David Kay, quitting as chief of the U.S. hunt for WMD, or weapons of mass destruction, had just delivered the answer to the world. The inspectors were 85 percent finished, Kay said, concluding: ‘The weapons do not exist.’”

Over several thousands words of text, Hanley than lays out the entire history of American claims, going back to the 1990s, through the run-up to the war, and then the aftermath, with some new details, including tidbits on Vice President’s pressure-packed 10 trips to the CIA.

The Hanley report then closes with a description of Kay’s hunt for WMDs, which also includes new information and quotes:

“Through 2003, Iraqis watched their land slip into a chaos of looting, terror bombings and anti-American insurgency. ‘A country was destroyed because of weapons that don't exist!’ Baghdad University's president, Nihad Mohammed al-Rawi, despaired to an AP reporter.

”Month by month, David Kay and his 1,500-member Iraq Survey Group labored over documents, visited sites, interrogated detained scientists and came to recognize reality. But when he wanted to report it, Kay ran into roadblocks in Washington.

"’There was an absolutely closed mind,’ Kay tells AP. ‘They would not look at alternative explanations in these cases,’ specifically the aluminum tubes and bioweapons trailers.

”In December 2003, Kay flew back to Washington and met with Tenet and CIA deputy John McLaughlin. ‘I couldn't budge John, and so I couldn't budge George,’ he says. Kay resigned, telling the U.S. Congress there had been no WMD threat.

”Ex-CIA spokesman Bill Harlow, speaking for Tenet, points out that Kay himself, in Senate testimony at the time, said the tubes remained an ‘open question,’ although it was ‘more than probable’ they were rocket casings.

”The Bush administration then sent Charles Duelfer -- like Kay a senior U.N. inspector from the 1990s-- to take over the arms hunt. He arrived in time for Tenet's secret visit and palace pep talk on Feb. 12, 2004, but, like Kay before him, Duelfer could find no sign of WMD.

”Still, the pressure continued. Barton, recruited as a Duelfer adviser, told AP the American chief inspector received an e-mail that March from John Scarlett, head of Britain's Joint Intelligence Committee, urging that nine ‘nuggets,’ past allegations, be dropped back into an interim report by Duelfer's group.

”Those ‘sexy bits,’ as the Australian called them, are believed to have included, for example, baseless speculation that Iraq worked to weaponize smallpox. Duelfer called the nuggets ‘fool's gold,’ Barton says, and left them out.

”Asked about this, the British Foreign Office said Scarlett contacted Iraq Survey Group leaders as part of his job, but that the report's content was Duelfer's responsibility alone.

”Barton said CIA officers in the Iraq Survey Group insisted that its reporting should not discredit the mobile-labs story ‘because that contradicts what Tenet has said.’ They also wanted the report to suggest the tubes might have been for centrifuges, although Duelfer's experts concluded otherwise.

”Duelfer's interim testimony to Congress in March 2004 said nothing about mobile labs and said the tubes remained under study.

”As late as Sept. 30 last year, in an election debate, Bush stuck to his views. ‘Saddam Hussein had no intention of disarming,’ Bush maintained.

”A week before, Duelfer had conveyed his 1,000-page final report to the CIA, saying Saddam had disarmed 13 years earlier.”

lest "we' forget the first/primary reason bush wanted a war with Iraq . (and he wanted it bad)

 

[jjw1965]

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: US Invasion of Iraq-Updates

Big suprise, President Bush supports the Death Penalty.

Surprise??? There ain't no surprise. The President is a Republican, and as such, Republican Presidents have always supported the death penalty. Hell, even some of the Previous Democrats (such as Clinton) have supported the Death Penalty. What is so surprising about it??? 38 states currently have the death penalty, 12 don't.